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House votes to approve back pay for furloughed workers
The Washington Post ^ | 10/5/13 | Jeff Simon

Posted on 10/05/2013 1:50:12 PM PDT by shego

As the fifth day of the federal government shutdown began, members of the House came together in a moment of rare bipartisanship to pass a bill, by a vote of 407 to 0, approving back pay for furloughed government workers....

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Government
KEYWORDS: 113th; budgetsnafu; federalspending; furlough; governmentshutdown; impasse; shutdown
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Not really surprising. Realistically, it's the only way to mitigate the economic and political damage of the snafu.
1 posted on 10/05/2013 1:50:13 PM PDT by shego
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To: shego

It doesn’t surprise me, but it could be spun favorably if the GOP had brains/balls.

The dems didn’t need a “clean CR” for this, did they?


2 posted on 10/05/2013 1:53:57 PM PDT by henkster (Communists never negotiate.)
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To: shego

Like everyone knew all along, it is nothing more than a paid vacation.

But the National Guard troops who are missing drills, and contractors who are providing a large fraction of our national security, they won’t get paid.

Bassackwards.


3 posted on 10/05/2013 1:56:18 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: shego

Whole damn country is being built around people being paid to do nothing.
Do nothing, worth nothing.


4 posted on 10/05/2013 1:57:55 PM PDT by cp124 (Government is value subtracted.)
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To: shego

Republicans always make it easy on democrats.

They should have attached this to a few other issues - like keeping the memorials open, the bill to restore funding for cancer treatment at the National Institutes of Health, etc.


5 posted on 10/05/2013 1:59:21 PM PDT by Iron Munro (When a killer screams 'Allahu Akbar' you don't need to be mystified about a motive.)
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To: shego

Checkmate to Harry Reid, why would I do that.


6 posted on 10/05/2013 2:01:13 PM PDT by UB355 (Slower traffic keep right)
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7 posted on 10/05/2013 2:07:14 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: shego
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He was right. One lives inside the D.C. beltway, sucking the lifeblood from the other outside the D.C. beltway.
8 posted on 10/05/2013 2:07:49 PM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: shego
So the government shutdown is really a taxpayer funded government vacation!
9 posted on 10/05/2013 2:08:00 PM PDT by TexasCajun (Creepy-Ass Cracka -- Don't Call Me Cracker)
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To: shego

Let me see if I’ve got this straight.

“Essential” government workers must go to work but will receive an “IOU” on payday instead of a paycheck.

“Non-essential” government workers are to stay home and not go to work, but will also receive an “IOU” on payday instead of a paycheck.


10 posted on 10/05/2013 2:08:13 PM PDT by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats h ave sided with our enemy.)
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To: shego

It won’t be the first time the taxpayers have paid government employees for doing nothing.


11 posted on 10/05/2013 2:12:32 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (The DemocRAT Pahtay! Spending our grandchildren's future, today!)
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To: TexasCajun

Whatever, though they will likely feel the pain till the logjam clears. The Senate may be too stuck up to pass this, they have said they will not pass partial budget resolutions.

As for me, I’d sooner, in a vague vein like C. S. Lewis, pay them for nothing than for a nuisance.


12 posted on 10/05/2013 2:14:02 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Also the more this keeps up, the more pregnant the question of “Just what do I need all these people for anyhow? The earth didn’t cave in!”


13 posted on 10/05/2013 2:15:24 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: shego

Furloughed workers should not get back pay. Instead they should get a small amount of severance pay. If they are not essential then they should not be working for the government. No exceptions for sentiment of fairness. 90% of the federal workforce should be placed back into the private world.


14 posted on 10/05/2013 2:17:25 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: EternalVigilance

Take it out of their vacation allowance, if they’re going to get paid. They should not be paid for work they did not do. If they’re going to be on paid vacation now, then they should not be allowed to get paid vacation for the rest of the year.

IRS workers, for instance, should be told that their boss, Lois Lerner, decided to piss on the people so the people decided not to buy the “company’s services”, causing layoffs. Welcome to the real world.


15 posted on 10/05/2013 2:21:51 PM PDT by butterdezillion (Free online faxing at http://faxzero.com/ Fax all your elected officials. Make DC listen.)
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To: PowderMonkey

I fully expect to see this man, Edwards, try to revive his political career. John Edwards is not done yet. He is wise to lay low for what remains of this Bad Trip of a presidency. You see what fools Weiner and Number 9 made of themselves last summer. Those two are now ‘Double-Damned in the eyes of the public.

I sense there is still great deal of ambition in whatever he now uses for a heart. He misses the fawning admiration his presence used to command. Edwards probably sees what that Nut Ball Sanford did next door in South Carolina and has got to be wondering, ‘What do I have to do, go on Oprah with my own box of tissues? How can I make them want me again?”


16 posted on 10/05/2013 2:23:52 PM PDT by lee martell
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To: PowderMonkey

I was just saying to my husband just a couple hours ago, that there are 2 Americas: the one that gets their news from the treasonous drive-by media, and the one that gets its news from documentary videos and photos posted online to prove what is REALLY happening.

None of this stuff would happen if the DC folks had any fear that the media would actually do its job rather than kissing the rear ends of the politicians they sleep with.


17 posted on 10/05/2013 2:24:17 PM PDT by butterdezillion (Free online faxing at http://faxzero.com/ Fax all your elected officials. Make DC listen.)
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To: TexasCajun

Yes. Van Holen just up stating he can’t believe the irresponsibility of the Republican leadership for wanting to pay people for staying home.

Topsyturvy.


18 posted on 10/05/2013 2:29:42 PM PDT by Heart of Georgia
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To: Iron Munro

One of the Reps stated goals is to send bills one at a time. If they start bundling them, that falls by the wayside.


19 posted on 10/05/2013 2:33:28 PM PDT by Heart of Georgia
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To: arthurus

All you do is complain! That is all you do. You complain abou nonessential people should be fired, yet you complain that contract priests can’t say mass. That a few memorials are closed. And a few parks and beaches are closed. Look you see nonessential people fired then stop complaint about a memorial being closed. This is what you hope and pray for. Oh I forgot about the Air Force Navy game you cried about that was pooibly cancelled. This is one reason why we will never balance the budget. You have pet projects. Liberals have pet projects and God forbid you miss the day at the beach. Good day!!!!!!


20 posted on 10/05/2013 2:37:19 PM PDT by napscoordinator ( Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the country!)
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To: shego

The only thing or reason regarding how “bi-partisan” the bill is is that the House Dims are being shamed into voting for the GOP bills to overcome the WH obstinance and at least fund what can be agreed on. Let’s see if Harry Reid let’s the Senate vote and pass this one or not. The Senate Dim’s, especially those up for reelection, better help Reid quit stalling for a “comprehensive” and “clean” bill and pass what can be passed on its own.

The GOP elite was wrong. That argument - the GOP is willing to fund the government essentials, including the pre-Obama entitlements and it is the Dims who want an all or nothing bill - IS a winning argument NOW.


21 posted on 10/05/2013 2:55:54 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: EternalVigilance
Like everyone knew all along, it is nothing more than a paid vacation.

There's so much misinformation running around here it isn't even funny. Here's some facts.

ALL Federal workers are on furlough, meaning they are not being paid at this time. This is both "essential" and "non-essential" employees.

Essential employees are reporting to work and doing their jobs. They are not being paid as of right now.

This bill simply says that those employees who were required to come to work during the shutdown will be paid for their work when the shutdown is over. Non-essential employees will not be paid, since they didn't work. They may have the option of using their leave time (since they had already earned that before the shutdown) but I haven't seen anything concrete about that.

22 posted on 10/05/2013 3:01:37 PM PDT by Terabitten (I'd rather have one Walker than fourteen runners.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

The TSA, unless they count groping little old ladies as something.


23 posted on 10/05/2013 3:01:55 PM PDT by matt04
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To: Terabitten

Most folks, when they hear the word “furlough,” understand that to be those who are not working.

And few expect that those who work will not be paid.

If you are correct, that those who are not working will not be paid, that is news to me, and I stand corrected.


24 posted on 10/05/2013 3:13:22 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: Terabitten

Ditto what you said. I’m working with a fair number of such folks. I had to decide who got furloughed and who didn’t a few days ago.

BTW, I just saw on Twitter that the Senate killed this bill.


25 posted on 10/05/2013 3:14:17 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: shego

Arsehole Reid won’t take this one up either! What an asshat!


26 posted on 10/05/2013 3:15:13 PM PDT by Bushbacker1 (Molon Labe! (Oathkeeper))
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To: Terabitten

This paragraph in the article seems to run counter to your assertion:

“Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid supports the measure, but said Saturday that if furloughed workers are guaranteed back pay, there’s no reason to keep them out of work.”

If they’re working, they’re hardly “out of work,” are they?


27 posted on 10/05/2013 3:16:39 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: napscoordinator

I have said nothing about “contract priests.” Are you a big government “conservative?”? Nor have I complained about memorials being closed though am a bit cynical there because the continuing costs of closure are higher than keeping them open. More logical would be their being abandoned by the Federal Government and turned over to some private group to maintain. The ocean has been closed, not the beaches in the cited instance. Why are you inventing all this crap to attribute to me? Have you nothing to argue with and need to invent stuff for argument’s sake?
I have no pet projects. Everything the government does that is not specified in the Constitution should be shut down. Now. That includes my and everyone else’s Social Security. It is unConstitutional.


29 posted on 10/05/2013 3:20:44 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: Terabitten
Like everyone knew all along, it is nothing more than a paid vacation.

You did not refute this observation for "nonessential" employees. This is bringing the liberals out of the closet on FR. The ones who worry about the non-essentials and their livelihood are purely big government proponents and, practically speaking, liberals and totalists.

30 posted on 10/05/2013 3:25:21 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: shego

Then why are they not working? No work, no pay. Obama, send them back to work, now!


31 posted on 10/05/2013 3:25:31 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: shego

Why exactly do we have unnecessary non-essential people working for us???


32 posted on 10/05/2013 3:27:39 PM PDT by gitmo ( If your theology doesn't become your biography it's useless.)
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To: EternalVigilance
If you are correct, that those who are not working will not be paid, that is news to me, and I stand corrected.

Through the many shutdowns the nonessentials have all been paid after it is over. That is unfortunate and ultimately supports big government and runaway spending. If they are "nonessential" then they are nonessential and should simply be remanded to the private sector immediately, perhaps with a small severance sum.

33 posted on 10/05/2013 3:28:47 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: EternalVigilance

Half are DoD civilians and a huge number perform vital functions that support military readiness. Many of those positions were created during the Clinton downsizing as they shrunk the military but had to retain vital functions (while trying to hide that fact).

For example, maintenance of technical or unique weapons systems for the national guard or reserve.

Those soldiers obviously don’t do it themselves since they only work one weekend a month.

Who does it? Who keeps them ready for rapid deployment?

DoD civilians....federal civilians.

More importantly here, EV, is this observation: the democrats just agreed to funding this separately...although after the fact.

What other areas could that same strategy be employed? Let’s post-dated-check fund some other areas that they’re bellyachin’ about.

For example, post-date fund the parks. Then we can run them with the assurance that the IOU is already paid.


34 posted on 10/05/2013 3:30:21 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: arthurus

That’s what I thought as well.


35 posted on 10/05/2013 3:30:31 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance
if furloughed workers are guaranteed back pay, there’s no reason to keep them out of work.

Reid is here not quite correct because with the CR or budget not passed, theoretically there is no money allocated to pay them. Better they be just terminated along with the jobs they do.

36 posted on 10/05/2013 3:31:12 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: xzins

Right. My understanding is that the contractors are not being paid. Also, the National Guard troops whose drills have been cancelled this month are not being paid. I know that one for a fact. My son is one of those trying to figure out how all the bills are going to get paid this month.


37 posted on 10/05/2013 3:32:59 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: 1010RD
Obama, send them back to work, now!

You think we and the Constitutional system we putatively have need these workers?

38 posted on 10/05/2013 3:34:24 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: arthurus

You bet.


39 posted on 10/05/2013 3:34:26 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance

So is my son.

The drill pay is probably lost as was the “furlough” workers were forced to undergo this summer.

However, what if a post-dated check were written for the lost drills, also. The justification is that those troops told not to come to drill were also told that they’re still liable for muster.


40 posted on 10/05/2013 3:37:23 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: shego

Then they need to get back on the job to earn that pay. The rest of us don’t get paid to sit home and play video games.


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42 posted on 10/05/2013 3:55:15 PM PDT by RedMDer (http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/)
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To: shego

Paid vacation, as expected.


43 posted on 10/05/2013 4:06:34 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: arthurus

No, but you’re not going to fire them this go round.


44 posted on 10/05/2013 4:17:39 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: shego
There seems to be some misunderstanding about what "non-essential" employees are. It does not mean they are unproductive or superfluous. It means their office will continue functioning on any given day if they are not there.

As an example of this, I used to work in the records section of the National Weather Service. I maintained the records of the thousands of weather reporting devices spread across the nation. Keeping those records was necessary to determine which devices worked well, which did not, and which kept getting vandalized. NWS needed this information to maintain all the devices efficiently. But on any given day, if I wasn't there, the weather reporting went on.

45 posted on 10/05/2013 4:25:18 PM PDT by Steve1789 (T)
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To: shego
Not really surprising. Realistically, it's the only way to mitigate the economic and political damage of the snafu.

Wrong -- it wasn't a snafu. But it is now.

There was economic and political benefits accruing from the shutdown by the Pubbies but they are gone now.

46 posted on 10/05/2013 4:26:55 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: shego

Will Ted Cruz vote for this ‘back pay’ when it comes up in the Senate?


47 posted on 10/05/2013 4:26:55 PM PDT by rephope
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To: EternalVigilance

Bassackwards.

FUBAR!!!


48 posted on 10/05/2013 5:44:52 PM PDT by tallyhoe
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So the most worthless of government workers get a paid
vacation while the least worthless have to work. I guess
the next thing is the least worthless will want a bonus
for having to work through the shut down. The government
only hires the unemployable and the most worthless and
then pays them thousands of times more that what they are
worth. I’d tell them to suck it up and walk it off and if
they don’t like it they can always quit.


49 posted on 10/05/2013 6:08:57 PM PDT by Slambat
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To: Iron Munro

“Republicans always make it easy on democrats.”

Naa, they are in on it with them. They’re just the false
opposition. They are the spineless side of the
democrat party.


50 posted on 10/05/2013 6:12:54 PM PDT by Slambat
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