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Prices Set for New Health-Care Exchanges (Up, up and away!)
wall street journal ^ | 9/25/2013 | By LOUISE RADNOFSKY

Posted on 09/25/2013 8:20:26 AM PDT by tobyhill

U.S. officials for the first time disclosed insurance prices that will be offered through new federally run health-care exchanges starting Oct. 1, showing that young, healthy buyers likely will pay more than they do currently while older, sicker consumers should get a break.

The plans, offered under the health-care overhaul to people who don't get insurance through an employer or government program, in many cases provide broader coverage than current policies.

Costs will vary widely from state to state and for different types of consumers. Government subsidies will cut costs for some lower-income consumers.

Across the country, the average premium for a 27-year-old nonsmoker, regardless of gender, will start at $163 a month for the lowest-cost "bronze" plan; $203 for the "silver" plan, which provides more benefits than bronze; and $240 for the more-comprehensive "gold" plan.

But for some buyers, prices will rise from today's less-comprehensive policies. In Nashville, Tenn., a 27-year-old male nonsmoker could pay as little as $41 a month now for a bare-bones policy, but would pay $114 a month for the lowest-cost bronze option in the new federal health exchanges.

Likewise, the least-expensive bronze policy would rise to $195 a month in Philadelphia for that same 27-year-old, from $73 today. In Cheyenne, Wyo., the lowest-cost option would be $271 a month, up from $82 today.

(Excerpt) Read more at online.wsj.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: democrats; healthexchanges; healthinsurance; nowyouknowwhatsinit; obama; obamacare

1 posted on 09/25/2013 8:20:26 AM PDT by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

But that can’t be! The talking heads are all saying prices are coming down!


2 posted on 09/25/2013 8:23:53 AM PDT by Gamecock (Many Atheists take the stand: "There is no God AND I hate Him.")
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To: tobyhill

Ted Cruz needs to stop calling them Private Exchanges. How can something forced on us by the federal government be considered “private”?


3 posted on 09/25/2013 8:26:22 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: tobyhill

What type of hospice is available? At my age and medical condition, that’s really important to me.


4 posted on 09/25/2013 8:26:22 AM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: tobyhill

Bronze plan has a 40% copay. Better hope to not get sick or injured.


5 posted on 09/25/2013 8:36:32 AM PDT by tips up (Living is easy with eyes closed, misunderstanding all you see.)
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To: GeronL

Are you sure that’s what he meant? Private exchanges normally cater to corporate customers. Being set up now...


6 posted on 09/25/2013 8:42:13 AM PDT by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: tips up
Doctors will require pay up front and when the dumb-asses realize their bill is $200 to see the doctor then they will complain that the Bronze Plan doesn't cover crap. They will then look at the “Silver” Plan and realize that it cost twice as much.
7 posted on 09/25/2013 8:43:50 AM PDT by tobyhill
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To: steve86

I dunno, anyone got a transcript?

lol


8 posted on 09/25/2013 8:46:37 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: tobyhill
...young, healthy buyers likely will pay more than they do currently while older, sicker consumers should get a break...

Great, the demographic that has the lion's share of the money in this country gets another break.

9 posted on 09/25/2013 8:48:47 AM PDT by Jack of all Trades (Hold your face to the light, even though for the moment you do not see.)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

You would have to look into each individual plan offered in your state to answer that. Except for the (barf) minimal required benefits, it is up to the insurer what to offer. But I’d expect what you will find would be comparable to pre-Obamacare plans.


10 posted on 09/25/2013 8:49:40 AM PDT by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: tobyhill

If many or most of healthy younger types don’t sign up, opting for the fine; and most with preexisting conditions do sign up, are the insurance carriers going to absorb the losses or the taxpayer?

Does the term “adverse selection” exist anymore? I suppose we can’t talk about that or the government subsidizing those who lie about their income, which can’t be verified. The Feds gather tons of data and somehow can’t determine how much you earned last year?


11 posted on 09/25/2013 9:06:01 AM PDT by DeFault User
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To: DeFault User

So, just so I am clear about this.

These “Fees”, monthly premiums are actually a “TAX” ?.

A tax that varies based on your age, gender, income, state, smoking status etc ??


12 posted on 09/25/2013 9:16:16 AM PDT by Zeneta
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To: Zeneta

lol.

It’s not based on real actuarial tables-markets, that is for sure.


13 posted on 09/25/2013 9:18:31 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: tobyhill

These prices will only continue to raise-these are only “estimates” from government bureaucrats..

When have you ever known government bureaucrats to be correct, especially of a law that their master wants, but the rest of us don’t.

(This is only the “good” propaganda). The truth will be far worse..


14 posted on 09/25/2013 9:24:48 AM PDT by JSDude1 (Is John Boehner the Neville Chamberlain of American Politics?)
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To: Gamecock

114 a month when you’re working a 29 hour week at minimum wage is one eighth of your monthly gross. Add that to housing, utilities, transportation, fuel, insurance, communication, and cable, and that leaves how much for eating, clothing, and entertainment?


15 posted on 09/25/2013 9:26:15 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: GeronL
Its bases on Socialism and politics..the freebies want it for free and will get it...the sick will get it for cheap...and the young and healthy will pay for it..problem is..they will not sign up...so the Obamacare will lose trillions and the quality of care will drop dramatically...to a third world status....a cut on your finger..will be fixed...a cancer and you are toast...no treatment or very bad treatment....
16 posted on 09/25/2013 9:29:01 AM PDT by Youngman542012
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To: tobyhill

I for one think it refreshing that the young healthy Obama voters should carry the costs of healthcare for the elderly sick and poor

isn’t this why they think of themselves as democrats?

walk the walk!


17 posted on 09/25/2013 9:29:27 AM PDT by silverleaf (Going to war without the French is like going hunting without an accordion.)
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To: GeronL

It will be interesting to see if the young healthy Liberal/Progressive 0bama voter will put up with this scheme.

I just can’t see these “selfish”, so-called “Caring”, zombies sleeping through this hit to their paycheck for the benefit of the low-income elderly.

Logically (for a liberal), they may take the hit while promoting euthanasia (death panels) but should then (logically) support a ban abortion.

I know logic is not their strong suit, but when push comes to shove, there’s no telling what they will do.


18 posted on 09/25/2013 9:38:48 AM PDT by Zeneta
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To: silverleaf

I had the same thought.


19 posted on 09/25/2013 9:40:04 AM PDT by Zeneta
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To: tobyhill

And they will blame the “greedy doctors”...


20 posted on 09/25/2013 9:40:28 AM PDT by tips up (Living is easy with eyes closed, misunderstanding all you see.)
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To: Zeneta

bump


21 posted on 09/25/2013 9:44:04 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: tobyhill
that’s like a 300% percent decrease, right?

Obama: "Premiums Will Decrease 3000% So You Should Get A Raise When Healthcare Is Passed"

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3019102/posts

22 posted on 09/25/2013 9:46:22 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: DeFault User

If rats really wanted all yutes to sign up for “health care” ,why didn’t they make the fines for not doing so close to or the same as what the plan would cost?


23 posted on 09/25/2013 9:50:40 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: tobyhill

Whatever with the premiums...has anyone even considered what a disaster the deductibles and copays are??

“If you buy a bronze plan — the cheapest available for anyone 30 and older — you’ll have a $3,250 deductible for individual coverage; it’s $6,500 for family coverage. Once you spend that much on medical care, including medication, you’ll still have to pay 40 percent of the cost for many services, including visits to specialists, outpatient hospital services, emergency room visits and lab work.

You’ll also have to pay 40 percent of the cost of non-generic drugs. But each customer’s out-of-pocket costs will be capped at $6,250, or $12,500 for a family plan.

Silver plans have similar deductibles to the bronze ones — $3,000 for medical services, plus $400 for prescription drugs; both of those figures are doubled for family plans.”

This is a complete disaster. Does anyone think ANYONE has the first $3250 to cough up, on top of the premiums? If your kid gets pink eye, that entire bill is yours. Some pink eye meds are over $100. And then of course, you get it, and you have to throw out the makeup. Forget about oral antibiotics. If your bug is resistant to amoxicillin or penicillin, you better have a few hundred cash available. Or I guess room on the credit card, if you go that way.

The only positive is that people will shop around for better prices, since its their money. Everyone should print out the list of $4 generics at Walmart and bring it to their first appointment, to be kept alongside the running commentary on sexual and gun preferences.

Lord Have Mercy! The unintended consequences are endless. Why would any drug company invest in any new drug research? There is zero point, because the number of people who can pay out of pocket for such a thing is too small to justify. Why would any retail pharmacy stock anything expensive, since its only gonna go out of date. Even if you have fabulous coverage, no one else does. You might be able to get it ordered, maybe not.

And lol at Medicaid... Everyone will try to get on that by making just a little less than they do now, and that will go broke soon enough. I can only imagine how the state HMO’s are positioning themselves right now (like in Virginia, we have Virginia Premier and its lesser sister plans.)

I wonder how Mr. Obama will enjoy reading about his legacy. He’s young enough to watch it unfold.


24 posted on 09/25/2013 10:00:02 AM PDT by ToastedHead
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To: tobyhill

What’s going to be darkly hilarious over the next couple of weeks are the shrieks of the low-information dullards who thought Obamacare was going to be FREE!

Idiots.


25 posted on 09/25/2013 10:01:01 AM PDT by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far)
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To: ToastedHead

And lol at Medicaid... Everyone will try to get on that by making just a little less than they do now, and that will go broke soon enough. I can only imagine how the state HMO’s are positioning themselves right now (like in Virginia, we have Virginia Premier and its lesser sister plans.)

___________________

and Medicaid will strip you of your assets.

This is a war against the citizens.


26 posted on 09/25/2013 10:05:07 AM PDT by Chickensoup (...We didn't love freedom enough... Solzhenitsyn.)
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To: JennysCool

I have no doubt that there is a Government run website out there trying to explain the “Gold, Silver and Bronze” plans.

Something like this:

“Gold is better than silver and silver is better than bronze”

“Rappers wear Gold chains for a reason”

“While they sometimes wear silver chains, they would never wear a bronze chain”

“But bronze may be good for you”


27 posted on 09/25/2013 10:12:17 AM PDT by Zeneta
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To: tobyhill

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28 posted on 09/25/2013 10:13:17 AM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Commune-Style Obama'care' violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: tips up

“And they will blame the “greedy doctors”...”

You got it in one. That is what is coming next.

Eventually, we will have a system where the Health Care b’crat on the local Death panel bases your chances of getting a kidney, or a heart, on your amount of Democrat Political Patronage.

Remember folks, we aren’t dealing with “Democrats” anymore, but radical Academic Socialists.


29 posted on 09/25/2013 10:14:09 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: GeronL

I watched Ted Cruz during his valiant effort to halt the disaster called Obamacare. I hope you watched it as well. If he has used it once, he used the phrase “...we no longer listen to the people, our constituents...” over a hundred times. And he was right...they don’t. And the fact is, THEY NO LONGER NEED TO.

I’ve sent my little rant on this topic before but Ted’s honest comment compels me to do so again.

Dick Bachert
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WHY THE POLITICAL RULING CLASS NO LONGER LISTENS TO US!

Among others, Thomas Jefferson warned that the financial disaster we now face would be but one of many problems paper money would visit upon us if we allowed our “leaders” to remove the backing from the currency, to wit:

“When the servants if the people are paid with something other than that which the people themselves have produced (i.e. the real, tangible products of their labors or some fixed and real medium of that exchange), the roles of master and servant will be reversed.”

It was believed by Roger Sherman and a majority of those at the Constitutional Convention that un-backed currency would so damage the fabric of the nation that they ATTEMPTED to prohibit it with these few words at Article 1, Section 10, requiring the states to enforce the prohibition: “No State shall…make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts;”

If the people and their states grew inattentive to this matter (and they have!), Jefferson also saw this problem ahead:

In a letter to John Taylor in 1816, he wrote, “And I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale.”

We have been “…swindling futurity…” for a long time and this is now where we find ourselves. If the government, through its banker masters at the Federal Reserve, can create “money” from thin air, they certainly don’t need ours every April 15th. That annual sheep shearing is simply an attempt to vacuum enough of the excess paper from the system to keep the rest of us from catching on to the biggest theft ring in the history of man. They have now created so much that their attempt is failing and failing badly to a point where all but the dullest among us (Obama voters and his growing cadres of personal and corporate welfare beneficiaries) are starting to “get it.”

If you understood that last paragraph, you can now make the small leap to an understanding as to why the “progressive” utopian welfare state hacks in Washington don’t give a damn WHAT you think. Their power to create all the “money” they need to fuel their infernal machine and fill the gaping maws of enough of those hoards of welfare constituents to assure their perpetual re-election means that — ready — THEY NO LONGER NEED YOU! They have become, as Mr. Jefferson predicted, our MASTERS.

That they are taking down a nation and a system that has provided more wealth, safety and abundance to more people than any other in history matters not to them. Failing to grasp the lesson of the French Revolution, they believe themselves to be above the impending disaster.

We’re running out of time to get this increasingly rapacious beast back into the cage from which we have carelessly allowed it to escape.


30 posted on 09/25/2013 10:25:13 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (Ignorance is not bliss. It is the road to serfdom.)
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To: tobyhill

I wonder how many 911 calls would be handled by IVR?

Press 1 for Spanish, 2 for Arabic, 3 for Mandarin, 4 for Pashto, 5 for Somalian, 6 for Farsi, 7 for Urdu, 8 for ...

Enter the diagnostic code you are calling about. For a directory of diagnostic codes, go to obamacare~dc.gov.

Buenas noches, compadre!


31 posted on 09/25/2013 10:25:46 AM PDT by LurkedLongEnough
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To: tcrlaf

It’s no wonder that they put a tax on medical equipment makers.

Equipment that helps doctors SAVE LIVES.

0bamacare is the tool for the party of death.

They can finally achieve their goal of reducing the population in order to save the planet.

When this train-wreck is up and running I have no doubt that we will being to see those “academics” supporting euthanasia, quality of life and the so-called “Burden on family and society”.

They will attempt to convince the elderly to forgo treatment and get pumped full of pain killers so they won’t be a burden on others.

It’s pure evil.


32 posted on 09/25/2013 10:29:18 AM PDT by Zeneta
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To: TurboZamboni

As I recall, there was a debate among the dems on the floor at the time, saying it wasn’t fair to levy heavy penalties, it was exorbitant, etc., etc.

You could show the mule the water, but you couldn’t hit him with the 2x4.


33 posted on 09/25/2013 10:47:39 AM PDT by DeFault User
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To: tobyhill

For our family our total monthly payment would go from $2174 under our current coverage to $6112 under Obamacare.

Holy crap!!!


34 posted on 09/25/2013 11:18:21 AM PDT by MeganC (A gun is like a parachute. If you need one, and don't have one, you'll never need one again.)
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To: tips up
[Bronze plan has a 40% copay. Better hope to not get sick or injured.]

All the stories I've seen touting lower rates—including one this morning in the Washington Post—fail to mention co-pays or deductibles. If a plan has a $3,000 deductible and a 40 percent co-pay then it won't be utilized by the average policy holder.

35 posted on 09/25/2013 12:26:55 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: tcrlaf
[Remember folks, we aren’t dealing with “Democrats” anymore, but radical Academic Socialists.]

Fortunately there are more privately owned firearms in the U.S. than people.

36 posted on 09/25/2013 12:30:05 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: Zeneta
So, just so I am clear about this.

These “Fees”, monthly premiums are actually a “TAX” ?.

A tax that varies based on your age, gender, income, state, smoking status etc ??


First - BTT!

Also understand that this tax violates the EXACT wording of the Constitution, yet is some how "Constitutional."

Article 1, Section 9 contains the following:
"No capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in Proportion to the Census or Enumeration herein before directed to be taken."

I know, I know, the 16th Amendment states:
"The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration."

This is NOT an income tax. It is a tax based strictly on whether or not you purchased a product (regardless of your income)! This is unconstitutional just on the basis of the pure WORDS within the Constitution. I just do not understand how the SCOTUS got this SO wrong!
37 posted on 09/25/2013 12:47:29 PM PDT by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: tips up
Wait until the salary caps hit the doctors.

One plus, I won't have to see the Jaguar parked sideways taking up three parking spaces with the vanity plate "MomDoc" anymore.

38 posted on 09/25/2013 12:52:02 PM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee
My previous "cadillac plan" has been so degraded that is what I have now.

And you are right, I never use it.

39 posted on 09/25/2013 12:53:12 PM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: ExTxMarine

I just do not understand how the SCOTUS got this SO wrong!

___________________________________________________________

Nor do I.

I will tell you one thing. I will not pay this tax. I am a healthy 50 yo that hasn’t been to a doctor in well over 25 years. I don’t have insurance and will pay for whatever services I may end up needing. The last time I went to the hospital was to get some glass removed from my scalp as the result of a fight I got into with some thug that thought he could get away with stealing stuff from where I worked.

I posted this on a different thread not long ago:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3067927/posts?page=7#7

This train wreck is a slow motion event.

I don’t think it will be stopped.

When thousands of people that never realized they have been forced into “paying” for something that they don’t need or want, we may get one person that gets the right lawyer that finds the right judge in the right jurisdiction that advances a case back to the supreme court.

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As a “tax” it should get shot down.

As Zerocare begins to encounter any number of real world scenarios, it should quickly be determined that it is hopelessly unmanageable.

If I was a healthy young, single non-smoker from Kansas last year, and the next year I got married, moved to NY, started smoking got divorced in Vegas, quit smoking all within that year. Can they price that out for me ?

Harmful behavior that is excluded from this tax are endless.

Are those that engage in demonstrably harmful sexual activities going to pay more ?

What if I eat a dozen Twinkies a day, but only smoke when I’m drunk.

Get more than one speeding ticket ?

Run with scissors ?

Play sports ?

Own a Gun ?

Have a bathroom ?

All of these activities are supposedly priced in, as they have been priced in by insurance actuaries for years.

What do you think will happen when the Government attempts this ?

Are they going to ask, on your tax return, if you are in a gang ?

I think this entire ill-conceived adventure expected private, corporate subsidized health plans to remain unchanged.

This is and will bring a new meaning to “FUBAR”


40 posted on 09/25/2013 2:29:14 PM PDT by Zeneta
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To: riri

MomDoc will likely pitch the fancy car and stay home being a mom.

Instead you will see OverworkedGrumpyDoc...


41 posted on 09/25/2013 2:52:54 PM PDT by tips up (Living is easy with eyes closed, misunderstanding all you see.)
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To: tobyhill

How can prices vary from city to cite and state to state? Income tax rates are the same everywhere. Why shouldn’t this “tax” be the same?


42 posted on 09/25/2013 6:55:26 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: Zeneta

They’ll have to use the National Guard to make gangbangers buy insurance.

It’s actually going to be funny when one of those “navigators” drives into the hood. “Hey, man! He says he’s from the government and he’s selling obamacare!”

“Kill him anyway!”


43 posted on 09/25/2013 7:05:00 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: VerySadAmerican

I guess it depends on the number of D’s and R’s in a zip code


44 posted on 09/25/2013 7:05:24 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Zeneta

I want the mocha plan as in mocha messiah (0bama)


45 posted on 09/25/2013 7:15:21 PM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: tcrlaf

“And they will blame the “greedy doctors”...”””””

What doctors? What nurses? What medical specialists???

A poll early this year aid that as much as 70% of current medical personnel will quit the profession & do something else.


46 posted on 09/26/2013 7:21:10 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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