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1 posted on 09/25/2013 8:20:26 AM PDT by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

But that can’t be! The talking heads are all saying prices are coming down!


2 posted on 09/25/2013 8:23:53 AM PDT by Gamecock (Many Atheists take the stand: "There is no God AND I hate Him.")
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To: tobyhill

Ted Cruz needs to stop calling them Private Exchanges. How can something forced on us by the federal government be considered “private”?


3 posted on 09/25/2013 8:26:22 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: tobyhill

What type of hospice is available? At my age and medical condition, that’s really important to me.


4 posted on 09/25/2013 8:26:22 AM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: tobyhill

Bronze plan has a 40% copay. Better hope to not get sick or injured.


5 posted on 09/25/2013 8:36:32 AM PDT by tips up (Living is easy with eyes closed, misunderstanding all you see.)
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To: tobyhill
...young, healthy buyers likely will pay more than they do currently while older, sicker consumers should get a break...

Great, the demographic that has the lion's share of the money in this country gets another break.

9 posted on 09/25/2013 8:48:47 AM PDT by Jack of all Trades (Hold your face to the light, even though for the moment you do not see.)
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To: tobyhill

If many or most of healthy younger types don’t sign up, opting for the fine; and most with preexisting conditions do sign up, are the insurance carriers going to absorb the losses or the taxpayer?

Does the term “adverse selection” exist anymore? I suppose we can’t talk about that or the government subsidizing those who lie about their income, which can’t be verified. The Feds gather tons of data and somehow can’t determine how much you earned last year?


11 posted on 09/25/2013 9:06:01 AM PDT by DeFault User
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To: tobyhill

These prices will only continue to raise-these are only “estimates” from government bureaucrats..

When have you ever known government bureaucrats to be correct, especially of a law that their master wants, but the rest of us don’t.

(This is only the “good” propaganda). The truth will be far worse..


14 posted on 09/25/2013 9:24:48 AM PDT by JSDude1 (Is John Boehner the Neville Chamberlain of American Politics?)
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To: tobyhill

I for one think it refreshing that the young healthy Obama voters should carry the costs of healthcare for the elderly sick and poor

isn’t this why they think of themselves as democrats?

walk the walk!


17 posted on 09/25/2013 9:29:27 AM PDT by silverleaf (Going to war without the French is like going hunting without an accordion.)
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To: tobyhill
that’s like a 300% percent decrease, right?

Obama: "Premiums Will Decrease 3000% So You Should Get A Raise When Healthcare Is Passed"

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3019102/posts

22 posted on 09/25/2013 9:46:22 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: tobyhill

Whatever with the premiums...has anyone even considered what a disaster the deductibles and copays are??

“If you buy a bronze plan — the cheapest available for anyone 30 and older — you’ll have a $3,250 deductible for individual coverage; it’s $6,500 for family coverage. Once you spend that much on medical care, including medication, you’ll still have to pay 40 percent of the cost for many services, including visits to specialists, outpatient hospital services, emergency room visits and lab work.

You’ll also have to pay 40 percent of the cost of non-generic drugs. But each customer’s out-of-pocket costs will be capped at $6,250, or $12,500 for a family plan.

Silver plans have similar deductibles to the bronze ones — $3,000 for medical services, plus $400 for prescription drugs; both of those figures are doubled for family plans.”

This is a complete disaster. Does anyone think ANYONE has the first $3250 to cough up, on top of the premiums? If your kid gets pink eye, that entire bill is yours. Some pink eye meds are over $100. And then of course, you get it, and you have to throw out the makeup. Forget about oral antibiotics. If your bug is resistant to amoxicillin or penicillin, you better have a few hundred cash available. Or I guess room on the credit card, if you go that way.

The only positive is that people will shop around for better prices, since its their money. Everyone should print out the list of $4 generics at Walmart and bring it to their first appointment, to be kept alongside the running commentary on sexual and gun preferences.

Lord Have Mercy! The unintended consequences are endless. Why would any drug company invest in any new drug research? There is zero point, because the number of people who can pay out of pocket for such a thing is too small to justify. Why would any retail pharmacy stock anything expensive, since its only gonna go out of date. Even if you have fabulous coverage, no one else does. You might be able to get it ordered, maybe not.

And lol at Medicaid... Everyone will try to get on that by making just a little less than they do now, and that will go broke soon enough. I can only imagine how the state HMO’s are positioning themselves right now (like in Virginia, we have Virginia Premier and its lesser sister plans.)

I wonder how Mr. Obama will enjoy reading about his legacy. He’s young enough to watch it unfold.


24 posted on 09/25/2013 10:00:02 AM PDT by ToastedHead
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To: tobyhill

What’s going to be darkly hilarious over the next couple of weeks are the shrieks of the low-information dullards who thought Obamacare was going to be FREE!

Idiots.


25 posted on 09/25/2013 10:01:01 AM PDT by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far)
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28 posted on 09/25/2013 10:13:17 AM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Commune-Style Obama'care' violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: tobyhill

I wonder how many 911 calls would be handled by IVR?

Press 1 for Spanish, 2 for Arabic, 3 for Mandarin, 4 for Pashto, 5 for Somalian, 6 for Farsi, 7 for Urdu, 8 for ...

Enter the diagnostic code you are calling about. For a directory of diagnostic codes, go to obamacare~dc.gov.

Buenas noches, compadre!


31 posted on 09/25/2013 10:25:46 AM PDT by LurkedLongEnough
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To: tobyhill

For our family our total monthly payment would go from $2174 under our current coverage to $6112 under Obamacare.

Holy crap!!!


34 posted on 09/25/2013 11:18:21 AM PDT by MeganC (A gun is like a parachute. If you need one, and don't have one, you'll never need one again.)
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To: tobyhill

How can prices vary from city to cite and state to state? Income tax rates are the same everywhere. Why shouldn’t this “tax” be the same?


42 posted on 09/25/2013 6:55:26 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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