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State Law Prevented Sale of Assault Rifle to Suspect Last Week, Officials Say
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Posted on 09/17/2013 6:28:43 PM PDT by chessplayer

WASHINGTON — The gunman who killed 12 people at the Washington Navy Yard on Monday test-fired an AR-15 assault rifle at a Virginia gun store last week but was stopped from buying one because state law there prohibits the sale of such weapons to out-of-state buyers, according to two senior law enforcement officials.

Instead, the gunman, Aaron Alexis of Texas, bought a law-enforcement-style shotgun — an 870 Remington pump — and used it on Monday as he rampaged through the navy yard, said the officials, who requested anonymity b

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; US: Texas; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: aaronalexis; alexis; banglist; guncontrol; navyyard; secondamendment; virginia; washingtonnavyyard
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Libs - "but he WANTED one. he TEST-FIRED one."
1 posted on 09/17/2013 6:28:43 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: chessplayer

Had he been declared mentally incompetent, he wouldn’t have even got that.


2 posted on 09/17/2013 6:30:43 PM PDT by tanuki (Left-wing Revolution: show biz for boring people.)
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To: chessplayer

So, how did that work out for us Libs?

Were lives saved? LMAO

What a great victory you won here Lefties. GAG!

As usual, the good guys were disarmed. The bad guy
got access to weapons and then it was open season.


3 posted on 09/17/2013 6:30:48 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (This post coming to you today from behind the Camelskin Curtain. Not the Iron or Bamboo Curtain...)
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To: chessplayer
No, he wasn't from Texas. He was from New York. He was stationed in Texas for a little while. Friggin lying liars at NYT really want to pin this on Texas.

/johnny

4 posted on 09/17/2013 6:30:52 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: chessplayer

They can’t stop working that AR15 angle!


5 posted on 09/17/2013 6:31:22 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: chessplayer

Watch them turn this into: Racist Southern Jim Crow-style law keeps black veteran from buying more effective firearm.


6 posted on 09/17/2013 6:31:27 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I aim to raise a million plus for Gov. Palin. What'll you do?.)
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To: chessplayer
[Art.] Instead, the gunman, Aaron Alexis of Texas, ....

More lies!

The SOB was a NEW YORKER, for the record!

Old Grey Whore lies again.

7 posted on 09/17/2013 6:35:18 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: chessplayer
law-enforcement-style shotgun

OMG! Not just any shotgun, but a law-enforcement-style shotgun!

8 posted on 09/17/2013 6:35:34 PM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: chessplayer

A long gun is a long gun.
When the FBI is called for a NICS check no distinction is made between the two.
They only ask long gun or pistol.
I think these cops are full of crap.


9 posted on 09/17/2013 6:35:43 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: chessplayer
So he got what he could and traded up on site. When we were kids, anyone with a little wood working skill and a car antenna could have a .22 pistol in a couple of hours. That sort of butterknife gun is the sort of wish for more wishes that inspired the Liberator pistol.

When someone is hell-bent on creating mayhem, only an alert and prepared populace is sufficient to stop them. No law, no ban, will ever trump the workaround.

10 posted on 09/17/2013 6:35:43 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Why does anyone even buy that scumrag?

There must be a helluva lot of budgies and parrakeets in Manhattan.

11 posted on 09/17/2013 6:36:27 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: JRandomFreeper
"My son was at Marine Barracks -- at the Navy Yard yesterday - and they had weapons with them, but they didn't have ammunition. And they said, 'We were trained, and if we had the ammunition, we could've cleared that building.' Only three people had been shot at that time, and they could've stopped the rest of it."


If we'd had the AMMUNITION
12 posted on 09/17/2013 6:36:47 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( Un-Documented Journalist / Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team)
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To: lentulusgracchus

there are former east coast types out here on the left coast who still buy the slimes...

its the go to paper of choice for those who need their inane opnions butressed.


13 posted on 09/17/2013 6:38:54 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( Un-Documented Journalist / Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team)
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To: chessplayer

The murdering scum wanted an AR-15 so therefore according to the enemedia and the gun-grabbers he used one to kill these people.

Emotions override reality for both.


14 posted on 09/17/2013 6:40:26 PM PDT by jazusamo ([Obama] A Truly Great Phony -- Thomas Sowell http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3058949/posts)
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To: chessplayer

Ah, the MSM!
http://www.wjla.com/articles/2013/09/washington-navy-yard-shooting-gun-control-debate-reignited-94098.html
(The Associated Press slurping Obama as usual):
“For Obama, it was at least the seventh mass shooting of his presidency, and **he wearily mourned** the victims while speaking at the White House.”

Reggie, time for another vacay!


15 posted on 09/17/2013 6:40:48 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: 17th Miss Regt

right - and yes, some 870s are tactical configuration for police. This article makes it sound like ALL 870s are tactical weapons.

The Remington 870 is one of the most, if not the most, popular shotgun for duck and bird hunting. From the brief look I had at a picture of the weapon, it looked more bird hunting than tactical - but I can’t say that for certain.


16 posted on 09/17/2013 6:42:53 PM PDT by GilesB
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To: JRandomFreeper

Yup!


17 posted on 09/17/2013 6:43:18 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: mylife

Why is the make and model on the 4473?

Line 26 thru 30

Line 29....

Type(pistol, revolver, rifle, shotgun, receiver, frame, etc)


18 posted on 09/17/2013 6:47:39 PM PDT by digger48
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To: mylife

There is a special rule in Virginia for assault weapons, you have to prove State registry and proof of citizenship to get one. I think that is what stopped an AR-15 being used.


19 posted on 09/17/2013 6:49:40 PM PDT by ClayinVA ("Those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it")
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To: chessplayer

I have a Remington 870 shotgun and slugs for it - should I assume I am a criminal? Is that becoming the criteria? As in someone uses a certain weapon to shoot people so that means if you have a weapon like that, you also are a killer waiting to happen?


20 posted on 09/17/2013 6:50:11 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.)
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To: GilesB

A Mossberg 500 is probably more evil, but only if in black drag. Let’s fact it. If it goes `bang’ they hate it.
Yeah, I used to hunt dove with a guy who had a Remington 870 and I had an 1100. He razzed me for paying more for semi-auto.


21 posted on 09/17/2013 6:50:39 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: digger48

None of that is reported to FBI.
Just long gun or pistol.

The 4473 stays on file with your FFL.

Not sure what the regs are on out of state sales but I imagine all would require a NICS check.


22 posted on 09/17/2013 6:50:42 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: digger48

Virginia has their own form in addition to the 4473


23 posted on 09/17/2013 6:50:57 PM PDT by ClayinVA ("Those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it")
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To: Smokin' Joe
When someone is hell-bent on creating mayhem, only an alert and prepared populace is sufficient to stop them.

The old Anglo-Saxon "hue and cry" .... worked like a charm back in the day.

Only a thieving, grafting, lying poltroon intent on mastering the People by propagating "quietism" and talking b.s. about "perfeshunal" policing and standing armies being necessary, would derogate people's ability to see to their own needs.

That's why Communists in Hollywood ran wild for years (think Dalton Trumbo, Ben Barzman, Burt Lancaster, Kirk Douglas, Will Geer) making movies that blackguarded people's efforts at vigilance and militia protection, and glorified professional killers like Wyatt Earp and Pat Garrett, and totalitarian fonctionnaires like Eliot Ness (and his wiretaps), as utterly necessary and the only way to secure law and order.

24 posted on 09/17/2013 6:51:37 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: ClayinVA

I am uncertain about selling to out of Staters.


25 posted on 09/17/2013 6:52:27 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: mylife

I sure coulda sworn I heard them relay that info on the phonecall.


26 posted on 09/17/2013 6:52:45 PM PDT by digger48
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To: digger48

Nope.
Pistol or long gun.


27 posted on 09/17/2013 6:54:13 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

The media reports lies as truths. And idiots believfe the media.


28 posted on 09/17/2013 6:55:51 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: digger48

If we gave that info and serial number we would in fact have National gun registration.


29 posted on 09/17/2013 6:57:15 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: chessplayer

WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE!


30 posted on 09/17/2013 6:57:47 PM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: 17th Miss Regt

Hell, I duck hunt with an 870...drives my brother-in-law nuts. One shot,one kill...5th Louisiana Scouts and Sharpshooters.


31 posted on 09/17/2013 7:02:40 PM PDT by SgtBob (Freedom is not for the faint of heart. Semper Fi!)
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To: mylife

“I think these cops are full of crap.”

They are. There is no such law that I’m aware of in VA.


32 posted on 09/17/2013 7:06:38 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Power disintegrates when people withdraw their obedience and support)
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To: chessplayer

“law-enforcement-style shotgun” LMAO

Mine could actually fit that description. Mine is an exact copy of the one in this video and I doubt very much that Obama’s son lookalike put one on these together.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=oW5LfKBGfio


33 posted on 09/17/2013 7:09:32 PM PDT by Gator113 (The mighty Bear ate the cowardly rat. Obama must resign.)
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To: chessplayer
state law??? i though it was FEDERAL law...
34 posted on 09/17/2013 7:10:00 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: RKBA Democrat

Senior Law Officers are not BATFE agents.


35 posted on 09/17/2013 7:10:10 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: SgtBob
drives my brother-in-law nuts.

Do you have a selector switch so you can fire it in single (thirty rounds per trigger pull), semi-automatic (thirty rounds per trigger pull), and full auto single (thirty rounds per trigger pull)? Does your brother object to holding the ammunition belt as you spray an area with automatic shotgun fire? (/journalist)

36 posted on 09/17/2013 7:11:25 PM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: ViLaLuz

LOL

Gun free zones?

You can’t fix stupid. Really you can’t.


37 posted on 09/17/2013 7:14:28 PM PDT by silentknight
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To: SgtBob

Oh yes, does your Remington have the detachable MANPADS launcher?


38 posted on 09/17/2013 7:14:46 PM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: mylife

“Senior Law Officers are not BATFE agents.”

They’re also bald faced liars. They’re trying to start the chain of lies that an assault weapons ban saved lives.

It didn’t. And they’re full of s***.


39 posted on 09/17/2013 7:15:18 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Power disintegrates when people withdraw their obedience and support)
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To: mylife

I didn’t say SN.

But I could be wrong about them asking make and model.


40 posted on 09/17/2013 7:16:41 PM PDT by digger48
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To: RKBA Democrat

Didn’t the shotgun do most of the damage in Aurora?

The AR15 jammed.


41 posted on 09/17/2013 7:17:19 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: digger48

They don’t ask model.


42 posted on 09/17/2013 7:18:00 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: MeshugeMikey

They had no ammunition because liberals fear an armed military inside the US as much as they fear an armed populace.


43 posted on 09/17/2013 7:19:00 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (From time to time the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

they also apparently fear following up on reports sent them by the cops...

“Washington Gunman Recently Told Cops He Was Being Bombarded By Microwave Signals That Kept Him Awake At Night”

evidently some “liberal” yo yo got the report and sat on it....


44 posted on 09/17/2013 7:21:09 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( Un-Documented Journalist / Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team)
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To: tumblindice

My former boss knew a guy that was a professional shooter for Remington shotguns. He preferred the 870 over the 1100 because he could fire the 870 quicker.


45 posted on 09/17/2013 7:21:30 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (From time to time the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.)
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To: chessplayer

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/sep/17/miller-new-york-times-gets-it-wrong-about-navy-yar/

NYT made up the AR-15 story.


46 posted on 09/17/2013 7:23:11 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: ClayinVA
"Proof of age (18+ for long arms, 21+ for pistols) and proof of citizenship (or permanent residence license) are required for the purchase of "assault weapons". "Assault weapons" are defined as a semi-automatic, centerfire, firearm equipped with a folding/adjustable stock, or equipped at the time with a magazine capable of holding 20+ rounds, or capable of accommodating a silencer/suppressor."

It sounds like he could have purchased a fixed-stock AR version as long as he had the shop keep the standard magazine. Then he could have walked back into the store, and bought 30 or 20 round magazines. As AWB states go (versus here in the People's Republic), Virginia's restrictions aren't too bad.

47 posted on 09/17/2013 7:28:03 PM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: GilesB

Many an 870 is used for deer hunting in congested areas. I have an 870 Wingmaster with an extra barrel, 20’ imp cyl with rifle sights. I’ve never deer hunted with it I deer hunt with a 30/06 or a 45/70 govt.


48 posted on 09/17/2013 7:30:02 PM PDT by duffee (NO poll tax, NO tax on firearms, ammunition or gun safes. NO gun free zones.)
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To: RKBA Democrat

This is all I could find about out of staters purchasing in VA.:

A Virginia non-resident may not purchase a firearm until a state police approval report has been received or 10 days have passed.


49 posted on 09/17/2013 7:30:58 PM PDT by sockmonkey (Of Course I didn't read the article. After all, this is FreeRepublic..)
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To: ltc8k6

You should post that as a seperate article. Don’t see it yet...


50 posted on 09/17/2013 7:32:59 PM PDT by W. (Still workin' on it. Yet...)
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