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Blasts in the Night, a Smell, and a Flood of Syrian Victims (Excruciating Details of Victims)
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/27/world/middleeast/blasts-in-the-night-a-smell-and-a-flood-of-syrian-victims.html?hp ^ | August 27, 2013 | BEN HUBBARD, MARK MAZZETTI and MARK LANDLER

Posted on 08/27/2013 12:23:45 PM PDT by lbryce

Thousands of sick and dying Syrians had flooded the hospitals in the Damascus suburbs before dawn, hours after the first rockets landed, their bodies convulsing and mouths foaming. Their vision was blurry and many could not breathe.

Overwhelmed doctors worked frantically, jabbing their patients with injections of their only antidote, atropine, hoping to beat back the assault on the nervous system waged by suspected chemical agents. In just a few hours, as the patients poured in, the atropine ran out.

To avoid contamination, medics stripped new arrivals down to their underwear and doused them with water before taking them inside.

New patients kept coming. One doctor from the town of Kafr Batna likened the scene to a horror movie, with cars bringing in entire families — fathers, mothers and children — all of them dead.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; Russia; US: New York; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: assad; damascus; iran; israel; kafrbatna; lebanon; littlebrotherdidit; maheralassad; newyork; newyorktimes; poisongas; randsconcerntrolls; russia; sourcetitlenoturl; syria; syriachemicalattack; syriachemicalweapons; turkey; unitedkingdom; waronterror
Assad is soon going to find himself in an underground lair being accorded the same sort of fate suffered by his late, sorry 'Baathist Party' crony, Saddam.
1 posted on 08/27/2013 12:23:45 PM PDT by lbryce
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To: lbryce

Yeah, and after Saddam we got Maliki. Some bargain that was.

Anybody who ends up on top of this dung heap is going to be worse than the one who is there now. Not our problem.


2 posted on 08/27/2013 12:27:34 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
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To: lbryce

Maybe. But did Assad do it?

World Net Daily is reporting evidence of US Allies behind the Gas Attack

http://www.wnd.com/2013/08/video-shows-rebels-launching-gas-attack-in-syria/


3 posted on 08/27/2013 12:29:19 PM PDT by agere_contra (I once saw a movie where only the police and military had guns. It was called 'Schindler's List'.)
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To: lbryce
And absent from every discussion is a clearly defined military objective to justify the employment of strategic, game-changing weapons.

This one doesn't pass the smell test.

4 posted on 08/27/2013 12:31:30 PM PDT by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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To: Pining_4_TX

The country is in worse financial shape than Detroit and we still can’t stop dumping money and lives into the middleastern hell hole.


5 posted on 08/27/2013 12:32:20 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: lbryce

Horrifying as chemical weapons are, the takeover of Syria by Al Qaeda is the alternative.

There are no good choices here.

Therefore, I recommend no action.


6 posted on 08/27/2013 12:36:01 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (No bombs for Al Qaeda in Syria!)
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To: Salvavida

Agreed. Assad clearly knew and knows the grave implications of using chemical weapons and how it would bring nothing but universal condemnation and hurt his cause, thus ... he didn’t do it.


7 posted on 08/27/2013 12:37:24 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: lbryce

So now the NYTimes is tryingto lay down cover for Obama with gripping stories about the gas attack, huh?

Where was the NYTimes when Saddam gassed the Kurds? Oh, yeah, that was Bush.


8 posted on 08/27/2013 12:40:22 PM PDT by Obadiah (Inside of every Liberal beats the heart of a fascist yearning to reveal their true nature.)
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To: lbryce

Reagan always used the old aphorism: “Trust but verify.”

Well, when you’re in an environment in which there is no one who can be trusted, and no way to verify much of anything, TRUST NO ONE.


9 posted on 08/27/2013 12:41:10 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ('Endowed by their Creator,' not by men.)
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10 posted on 08/27/2013 12:42:40 PM PDT by RedMDer (http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/)
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To: lbryce

I’ll believe anything unless I read about it in the New York Times.


11 posted on 08/27/2013 12:43:53 PM PDT by Thane_Banquo ( Walker 2016)
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To: lbryce

Here is a link to a story filed after the sinking of the Lusitania entitled “Toll of Lusitania victims Laid to German Murder lust”:

http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83045433/1915-07-18/ed-1/seq-9/#words=case+Lusitania


12 posted on 08/27/2013 12:51:00 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Power disintegrates when people withdraw their obedience and support)
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To: Thane_Banquo
O! 'Sarcasm tag' [sarc] [/sarc] wherefore art thou?
13 posted on 08/27/2013 12:51:27 PM PDT by lbryce (The 22nd Amendment Lives:1142 Days Until America's Greatest Nemesis Gets the Heave "Ho")
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To: lbryce

Just Islam in action.


14 posted on 08/27/2013 12:53:50 PM PDT by ZULU ((See: http://gatesofvienna.net/) Obama, do you hear me?)
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To: RKBA Democrat

Fascinating link, source. Thank you very much for posting.


15 posted on 08/27/2013 12:54:27 PM PDT by lbryce (The 22nd Amendment Lives:1142 Days Until America's Greatest Nemesis Gets the Heave "Ho")
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To: Pining_4_TX

Did we do this? Why is this our fault? Why should we get into this civil war?


16 posted on 08/27/2013 12:56:19 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (Actually, they lie when it suits them! The crooked MS media must be defeated any way it can be done!)
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To: agere_contra
It is easy to understand why the Syrian opposition would be motivated to do this and attach blame to the regime. It is equally hard to understand why Assad and his military would do it, especially in Damascus. No one would dispute that Assad and his regime are very bad and desperate people but what on earth could motivate them to do this? It would be close to a suicidal act at a time when they are in fact winning their civil war.

The Reichstag Fire scenario, very possibly with collusion by the same American players who brought you Benghazi, seems far more plausible. And every cry of outrage by Kerry and war drum cheerleaders like the NYT just reinforces that estimation.

17 posted on 08/27/2013 1:00:59 PM PDT by katana (Just my opinions)
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To: lbryce

Right, the opposite makes sense: Rebels do it from captured munitions, get the USA to help overthrow Assad and bango, they’re in!

So the only real question is - Do the rebels have the ability to deploy such weapons?

“Look at the whole board”.......


18 posted on 08/27/2013 1:01:43 PM PDT by TangledUpInBlue (I have no home. I'm the wind.)
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To: lbryce

OK.

And what’s our angle on this? If we were looking for a change in their government, it appears they’re about to do it without help or US military involvement.

I’m not seeing any good reason to get involved here.


19 posted on 08/27/2013 1:06:03 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: lbryce
Assad is too stupid to remain as president if he is responsible for that chemical attack - he had NOTHING to gain and EVERYTHING to lose by using WMDs.

No motive whatsoever.

This smells like another falsified 'incident' intended to provoke the war certain leaders in the west clearly want.

20 posted on 08/27/2013 1:07:12 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: katana

I tend to agree... I’ve having a hard time understanding why more “freedom fighters” (using the perverted libtard description for terrorists) weren’t killed in this government chemical attack. The whole episode is more likely to garner support for the rebels and lessen Russian willingness for continued assistance for Assad, which is why it makes little sense in my opinion.


21 posted on 08/27/2013 1:08:08 PM PDT by Common Sense 101 (Hey libs... If your theories fly in the face of reality, it's not reality that's wrong.)
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To: skeeter

On another thread, Jay Smarmy, WH spokes-hole essentially confirmed that the “rebels” themselves did it.


22 posted on 08/27/2013 1:21:08 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: SpaceBar

I have been hearing statements about how the attack was to big for the rebels to have faked or staged the video.

No one I know of is saying the attack was fake. I believe there was some form of chemical accident or attack.

I also know that islamists have a history of attacking their own people and trying to make it look like the enemy did it.

In Bosnia there were regular mortar attacks aimed at the muslims... The problem is the mortars where being shot by the muslims(and no I will not Capitalize the word muslim)

If I had to bet my life I would bet that it was done by the islamists to themselves(or their own people or innocents) in order to gain sympathy and give obama a way to help them.

THEY HAVE A HISTORY OF DOING SIMILAR THINGS

I have seen NO CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE pointing to who did this, and obama’s admin is talking like they are going to war over it. Oh and the UN inspectors are not going to make the call on which side did this, just that it occured? This is madness!

I really really dislike the people we have in the white house right now.

frustrated and angry and sickened by this jump to war.


23 posted on 08/27/2013 1:44:09 PM PDT by BookaT
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To: BookaT

Repost from another thread:

Let’s talk reality folks...Assad falls there’s going to be one hell of a battle over who gets to those WMDs first. And I promise you it ain’t gonna be pretty and it won’t be the good guys.

The only way to deal with this is to bomb the city of Damascus. It will be with the bunker busters and it will be the entire city as evidence is mounting the WMD’s were launched by the rebel forces and are hidden in the tunnels under Damascus.

What you are hearing from flip-flop Kerry is pure propaganda. The Obama administration is scared gutless over the fact that they facilitated al-queda and their factions to obtain WMD’s by supporting this crazy Arab Spring idea.

And yes...WW3...the Biblical one. Isaiah 17.


24 posted on 08/27/2013 1:55:54 PM PDT by EBH (The 'silent majority' is just as responsible for where this country is today as the screaming mob)
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To: katana

25 posted on 08/27/2013 2:00:05 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Power disintegrates when people withdraw their obedience and support)
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To: lbryce

26 posted on 08/27/2013 2:13:21 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Power disintegrates when people withdraw their obedience and support)
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To: lbryce

linky no worky!!


27 posted on 08/27/2013 2:25:51 PM PDT by alley cat
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To: lbryce

Looks like NYT has been hacked!

http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/new-york-times-website-down-hacking-appears-be-cause-8C11016739


28 posted on 08/27/2013 2:27:52 PM PDT by alley cat
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To: TangledUpInBlue

“Do the rebels have the ability to deploy such weapons?”

Piece of cake. In WWI most of the chemical munitions were delivered by artillery. The MB/AQ in Syria have that and rocket launchers. Then all it takes is projectiles that can disperse the agents.


29 posted on 08/27/2013 2:34:57 PM PDT by libstripper (Mine's)
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To: BookaT

In attacking Syria, Vacation guy invites retaliation against US citizens worlwide

Americans will die as a result of this, Assad has done nothing to threaten the US, but expect revenge terror attacks against US interests

Wag the dog is a game the morons in the WH are too stupid to play correctly


30 posted on 08/27/2013 2:48:56 PM PDT by Rome2000 (THE WASHINGTONIANS AND UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE ARE THE ENEMY -ROTATE THE CAPITAL AMONGST THE STATES)
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To: EBH

I can’t see Assad having done this. He had nothing to gain and everything to lose. He may be a despot but he isn’t stupid. To have done this would be to play directly into obastard’s hand.

Like in the past, early rumors usually turn out to be late facts. Early after Benghazi the rumor was it was a gun or rocket running operation cover up. I believe that is what it will be in the end as well. All orchestrated by obastard.

Early rumors in this event are that the rebels did it to their own people and were helped by the obastard. The reason? They are his buddies. He is on a jihad with what he considers to be his own personal military force, ours.

All bad. All bad.


31 posted on 08/27/2013 3:37:27 PM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: lbryce
There are queries about the veracity of this:

their bodies convulsing and mouths foaming

But there were no signs of that, in the corpses displayed in the photographs. The pictures were of strangely relaxed and peaceful bodies, unmarked by the distortions of the face, and bodily fluids, one would expect to see.

There was not even any signs of rigor mortis. I looked at the relaxed feet of the "Syrian corpses" in one photo, and I wondered why the bodies did not have that contraction of the muscles which makes dead men "turn up their toes."

I did wonder if these were living people, posing. This would also explain why they could be unembalmed in the Syrian summer heat, but not decomposing within hours, as a corpse will do.

To avoid contamination, medics stripped new arrivals down to their underwear and doused them with water before taking them inside.

With most chemical warfare agents, one needs a lot more than that to be safe from decontamination. Water would only add to the problem, it would spread the poison.

32 posted on 08/27/2013 4:20:22 PM PDT by BlackVeil
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks lbryce.

http://www.investors.com/image/RAMFNLclr-031212-syria-colo.jpg.cms

http://www.investors.com/image/RAMFNclr-072012-syria-IBD.jpg.cms

http://www.investors.com/image/RAMclr-082313-syria-IBD-COLOR-FINAL123.gif.cms


33 posted on 08/27/2013 5:20:20 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: katana

Re: “It is easy to understand why the Syrian opposition would be motivated to do this and attach blame to the regime.”


That is sort of a moot point, Katana, now that Israel has revealed that they have intercepted Syrian messages, real-time, about the chemical attacks. Is Israel lying to help Obama? That doesn’t quite make sense. You can read the news here:
http://www.latimes.com/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-syria-israel-intelligence-chemical-attack-20130827,0,1940412.story

Germany’s Focus magazine said Saturday that Israel’s secretive signals intelligence agency, Unit 8200, eavesdropped on a conversation between senior Syrian officials about use of chemical agents.

On Friday, Israel’s Channel 2 reported that rockets containing chemical agents were fired by the 155th Brigade of the 4th Armored Division, a division under the command of the Syrian president’s brother, Maher Assad.

The shells were reportedly fired from a military base in a mountain range west of Damascus, the news channel said, without disclosing its sources.

If this pans out, there is even less reason to believe that the rebels somehow stole the Russian missiles that carried the chemical warhead — and then aimed it at themselves? That’s a bit of a stretch, isn’t it?


34 posted on 08/27/2013 5:46:46 PM PDT by RDangerfield
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To: lbryce

ME monsters are not our problem...


35 posted on 08/27/2013 7:13:42 PM PDT by GOPJ (Chicago's 10 year murder toll exceeds that of all US soldiers killed in Afghanistan..)
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To: Pining_4_TX
When Detroit's not a hellhole...

And Chicago's not a killing field...

And the United States isn't broke...

THEN and only then - should we consider sticking our noses into things that are NOT our concern.

If the United States went there - and stood with Al Qaeda - (and that's who we would be standing with )... what's the best case possible?

That Al Qaeda would be grateful?

That a different group of crazies could now use chemical weapons on the old group?

Or maybe we could share our freedoms - like the TSA or NSA reading our emails and listening into our phone conversations. Yeah, I'm sure the world 'yearns to be ... abused'...

We have nothing to offer them - they have nothing to offer us.

36 posted on 08/27/2013 7:25:18 PM PDT by GOPJ (Chicago's 10 year murder toll exceeds that of all US soldiers killed in Afghanistan..)
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To: Sequoyah101

Zbignew Brzezinski, a well-known US political analyst and statesman of Polish descent, who can hardly be suspected of supporting Russian policies elsewhere, literally said in an interview with MSNBC right on the eve of the G8 summit:

“The West is absolutely engaging in mass propaganda by portraying the Syrian conflict as a fight for democracy when many of the rebels want anything but. They pledge allegiance to Al-Qaeda, explicitly call for Sharia law, kill thousands of Christians, use terrorist tactics yet our corrupt media and political class pretend arming them will produce democracy.”

http://edition.presstv.ir/detail/311237.html

I trust Assad.


37 posted on 08/28/2013 5:31:41 AM PDT by EBH (Is Damascus on the Eve of Destruction? Isaiah 17)
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To: EBH

I may not trust Assad but I dang sure don’t trust the obastard.


38 posted on 08/28/2013 5:43:13 AM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: RDangerfield

I hadn’t seen that story as I’ve been traveling overseas on business the past couple weeks and not able to pay daily close attention. Thanks for the update. I still find it difficult to understand why the regime would do this. But except for some of their mathematicians a thousand years ago logic has never exactly been an Arab strong suit.


39 posted on 08/28/2013 6:12:40 AM PDT by katana (Just my opinions)
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40 posted on 08/28/2013 8:03:47 AM PDT by SJackson ( The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself. BF)
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To: lbryce

Here we go again - the same idiots who engineered another Islamic State - Bosnia - in Europe when we should have been helping the Serbs exterminate the bastards.

This crap goes on throughout the Islamic world every day. Its how they live.

Get over it.

Idiots at the Times.


41 posted on 08/28/2013 9:02:31 AM PDT by ZULU ((See: http://gatesofvienna.net/) Obama, do you hear me?)
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