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St. Joe's "dead" patient awoke as docs prepared to remove organs
© 2013 Syracuse Media Group All rights reserved ^ | July 07, 2013 at 2:43 AM | By John O'Brien and James T. Mulder

Posted on 07/07/2013 7:02:42 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines

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To: neverdem

Not brain dead, she wanted the “harvesting” to proceed and sought to conceal signs of responsiveness, in my opinion.

There are some real ghouls who have attached themselves to organ and tissue donation, I experienced that firsthand when my dad passed away.


61 posted on 07/07/2013 8:01:59 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Behind Liberal Lines; a fool in paradise
PATIENT: I'm alive

DOCTOR: No, you're not!


62 posted on 07/07/2013 8:07:24 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines; Salvation; NYer

This is a Catholic hospital, too.


63 posted on 07/07/2013 8:53:57 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: RegulatorCountry; metmom
Not brain dead, she wanted the “harvesting” to proceed and sought to conceal signs of responsiveness, in my opinion.

That nurse's brain or soul was dead.

64 posted on 07/07/2013 10:21:07 PM PDT by neverdem (Register pressure cookers! /s)
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I am positive this happens a lot, there have been other similar articles. This is one reason why I am 100% opposed to organ donation. Not that I think it should be illegal, but I would never check that box myself. There are too many shady characters and decisions in the organ donation system. Very sad that the woman wound up committing suicide later.

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65 posted on 07/07/2013 10:58:53 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: mikrofon
We have a St. Joseph’s in the Buffalo ‘burbs with a somewhat less than stellar reputation ... I’ve been in there a couple times, but even though it’s very close to home I’ll defer to other hospitals given the choice.

Went there several times during my misspent youth. When I got old enough to know better would drive myself to Millard Fillmore suburban.

66 posted on 07/08/2013 3:36:25 AM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: metmom; Behind Liberal Lines; Salvation; NYer
This is a Catholic hospital, too.

You never pass up a chance to act ignorant and take a shot do you?

67 posted on 07/08/2013 3:45:01 AM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: neverdem; RegulatorCountry
That nurse's brain or soul was dead.

Brain was working just fine. It's her soul that's dead in a situation like that.

68 posted on 07/08/2013 5:59:59 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: verga; Behind Liberal Lines; Salvation; NYer

Show me where I’m wrong.


69 posted on 07/08/2013 6:00:47 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

Your story, and Grammy’s remind me of Terry Schiavo. I’m not sure why I percieved medicine as black and white, cut and dried science. Especially after viewing some of the medical shows.


70 posted on 07/08/2013 7:00:43 AM PDT by wita
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To: wita

“I’m not sure why I percieved medicine as black and white, cut and dried science.”

You’re not alone in this. The architects of Obamacare believe that the practice of medicine can be simplified into specific algorithms (if A, then do B, etc.) and that care can be standardized this way. It can’t, for a variety of very important reasons. Medicine is not an exact science. There’s way too much we don’t know, and there is a ton of variability from patient to patient. Doctors make mistakes, but statisticians can’t fix medicine and prevent mistakes.

I think it’s extremely important for patients to remember that it is disturbingly easy for physicians to miss things and make mistakes. It’s not because they don’t care (most care very much), but is because medicine is not an exact science, and doctors are human beings who make mistakes. That being the case, it’s really important for patients to be very actively involved in their own care, ask a ton of questions, and get second and third opinions when necessary. Just like in government, checks and balances are essential.


71 posted on 07/08/2013 7:28:09 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: metmom

Sweetheart I have shown you to be wrong on numerous threads you simply lack the character to admit it. And it is not that you are wrong in this one it is the fact that you never miss an opportunity to take a shot at the Catholic Church. You are Bill Maher in high heels.


72 posted on 07/08/2013 7:32:38 AM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

Without doubt the best medical advice I’ve seen or heard!

Thanks again for your contribution.


73 posted on 07/08/2013 7:47:13 AM PDT by wita
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To: verga; metmom

For what it’s worth, I took metmom’s comment simply as an observation of the irony of any religious hospital being this cavalier about someone’s life.


74 posted on 07/08/2013 9:57:45 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: fabian

Would you accept a kidney from a loved one if it would save your life?

How about blood? Would you take a donation of blood or plasma from a loved one?

Ed


75 posted on 07/08/2013 10:47:50 AM PDT by Sir_Ed
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To: grania

So you wouldn’t use a pig valve to fix your heart?

Ed


76 posted on 07/08/2013 10:48:36 AM PDT by Sir_Ed
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Thank you.

And if it’s that bad in a Catholic hospital, it doesn’t take much imagination to think of what it would be like in a non-Catholic hospital.

Ironically, after I mentioned that I spent some time at Crouse with an infection, someone suggested I consider St. Joe’s next time because of the Catholic pro-life position.


77 posted on 07/08/2013 11:19:24 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: verga

Well, snookums, don’t be so easily offended in the future and you won’t end up reading more into a comment than is there.

You need to get out of the Church of the Perpetually Offended.


78 posted on 07/08/2013 11:22:02 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Sir_Ed
so you wouldn't use a pig valve to fix your heart?

Nobody really knows what they'd do in a specific situation. I'd like to give an unequivical "no" but I've never been in a situation to make that decision for myself or a loved one.

79 posted on 07/08/2013 11:23:34 AM PDT by grania
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To: metmom
You need to get out of the Church of the Perpetually Offended.

As opposed to the one of the perpetually stupid

80 posted on 07/08/2013 11:32:18 AM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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