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St. Joe's "dead" patient awoke as docs prepared to remove organs
© 2013 Syracuse Media Group All rights reserved ^ | July 07, 2013 at 2:43 AM | By John O'Brien and James T. Mulder

Posted on 07/07/2013 7:02:42 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines

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To: Theodore R.

Has to occur more than we know. Organ transplants is a big business. There is money to be made. They don’t want the body ‘too’ dead, and can ‘harvest’ with some organs shut down but not others. I don’t have the info at my fingertips, but I suspect that some FReeper does. When I found out about the Reality of organ transplants, I changed my drivers license asap.


81 posted on 07/08/2013 1:23:59 PM PDT by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: grania

I think I would, and I’d accept a kidney or blood from a loved one, but I don’t think I’d accept an organ from someone who died, there’s too much proof that doctors kill people by declaring them brain-dead when in fact they may not be.

Ed


82 posted on 07/08/2013 3:10:15 PM PDT by Sir_Ed
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To: Sir_Ed

probably 99% of diseases are caused by the soul being with anger and upset..hence the origination of the word...dis-ease. So we should be looking to the spiritual as many do and become healed. No, I would NEVER accept an organ from another person. Loss of blood from an accident or such is not the same type of thing and you should know that, so don’t try and paint me as a religious nut or some such.


83 posted on 07/08/2013 4:41:17 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

I heard on Catholic Answers that either the Vatican or the American bishops are putting together a commission to investigate “brain death,” which is appearing to be a fiction, invented for the purpose of “organ harvesting,” or, less politely, human vivisection.


84 posted on 07/08/2013 4:53:49 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: fabian

I’m not doing that at all. There are some diseases that are genetic, that destroy the kidney, and close family members can donate a kidney to fix their loved one’s loss of a kidney...I was just wondering if you would find that objectionable.

I agree with you in that I would never accept an organ from a “donor” as it probably would have happened while the “donor” was still alive, that’s why I would never be an organ donor, I think the doctors kill people to get at the organs.

Accepting blood, bone marrow, part of a liver or a kidney from a loved one is different, though, as there is no death of a “donor” involved.

Just wondered what your opinion on that would be.

Ed


85 posted on 07/08/2013 6:35:01 PM PDT by Sir_Ed
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To: Sir_Ed

I just know that God heals..yes, sometimes through doctors...but doctors go too far, too often and I believe organ transplants are too far and weird. And I don’t believe genetics creates disease for one second...it is trauma of hate that translate from generation to generation that creates disease. God made people perfect..the darkness makes them sick..through their own emotions going along with that darkness....often unwittingly.


86 posted on 07/08/2013 7:41:42 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: fabian

That’s true for the most part, but there ARE diseases that are genetically based, such as Tay-Sachs disease, Huntington’s Chorea, hemophilia, sickle-cell anemia, polycistic kidney disease, etc.

In any one of these diseases, a geneticist can examine a baby’s genes, and if the baby has that specific cell disorder the geneticist can say with certainty that the baby will get that disease.

It’s a scientific fact, like if a baby is born blind, or has down’s syndrome, etc. Sometimes babies’ genes are messed up, like Tay-Sachs disease or Turner Syndrome, the babies WILL get that disease or they already have it at birth, and it isn’t because they sinned in the nine months they were in their mother’s wombs, it’s because their genes got messed up.

If you say their parent’s dark spirit gave them that genetic disorder, I’d be inclined to agree with you, but the plain truth is that there ARE diseases that are genetically based.

Ed


87 posted on 07/08/2013 8:10:13 PM PDT by Sir_Ed
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To: fabian

I’ll give you a quick, real-life example.

Woody Guthrie died of Huntington’s Disease, a gentically based disease.

His son, Arlo Guthrie, could have had himself tested genetically to see if he had inherited that disease. 50 % of children with parents that have Huntington’s also get Huntington’s.

Arlo Guthrie chose to NOT have himself tested to see if he had that gene. As it turned out, he didn’t have it, but because it’s genetically based, a geneticist could have told him when he was a teenager that he didn’t have that disease.

Regardless of how Arlo conducted himself emotionally or spiritually, if he had had that gene disorder, he would have gotten it when he was in his 40’s, and visa versa. It had NOTHING to do with his sin state, whether he had that disease was determined for him at birth.

Ed


88 posted on 07/08/2013 8:17:58 PM PDT by Sir_Ed
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To: Sir_Ed

my reply is that God can fix anything like that...and does..we just may not hear about it.


89 posted on 07/08/2013 9:05:49 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: fabian

True...

Ed


90 posted on 07/08/2013 9:31:15 PM PDT by Sir_Ed
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To: wita

Thanks for you kind comment. Made my day.


91 posted on 07/11/2013 7:47:06 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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