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Orrin Hatch: Think the IRS Is Bad Now? Just Wait. ( for when it administers Obamacare )
WSJ ^ | June 15, 2013 | Orrin Hatch

Posted on 06/15/2013 7:14:51 PM PDT by Innovative

The Internal Revenue Service has never been an agency much loved by the American people. With the IRS's targeting of conservative groups, its already bad reputation has now sunk to a new low.

But the scandal raises a critical question: If the IRS can't manage an increase of 1,700 applications for tax-exempt status that the agency said spurred its targeting of conservative groups, how will the IRS handle its massive new role in implementing ObamaCare?

Look at the Earned Income Tax Credit. Whether you like this refundable credit or not, the Treasury Department's inspector general for tax administration reported in April that improper payments account for 21% to 25% of total EITC payments in 2012. Take the percentage of improper EITC payments and apply it to the approximate $1 trillion we'll spend on ObamaCare premium credits in the decade beginning 2014. The math shows that we could see between $210 billion and $250 billion distributed to those who shouldn't get it—because the IRS has no system in place to verify reported household income.

Put all the potential fraud and improper payments with these credits on top of the already soaring budget for the premium subsidies and we're headed for a disaster.

(Excerpt) Read more at online.wsj.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 666; benghazi; corruption; fastandfurious; govtabuse; impeachnow; irs; irsobamacare; irsscandals; obama; obamacare; orrinhatch; tyranny
This government is out of control.
1 posted on 06/15/2013 7:14:51 PM PDT by Innovative
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To: Innovative
Orrin Hatch: Think the IRS Is Bad Now? Just Wait. ( for when it administers Obamacare )

And what does Orrin Hatch plan to do about it? Absolutely, positively, not one single thing. He is blowing smoke, just like all the rest. Nothing will be done. BOHICA.

2 posted on 06/15/2013 7:19:37 PM PDT by Mark17 (My heart is in the Philippines, and soon I will be too.)
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To: Mark17

What do you suggest that Orin Hatch, or any other Republican Senator, do? If one of them called you tonight and said “Mark17, I want to stop Obamacare. What do you want me to do?”, what would you say to them?


3 posted on 06/15/2013 7:22:14 PM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius (www.wilsonharpbooks.com - New Robin Hood book out!)
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To: Innovative

If any of these elected officials were sincere, they would be advocating the begin a new tax policy. They have punished the citizenry for too long. How much more proof do the undecided need to see both parties are out of control with no bearing to make constructive reforms; they will not set in place oversight. This government is out of control.


4 posted on 06/15/2013 7:24:17 PM PDT by Christie at the beach
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To: Mark17
He'd better do something immediately!
5 posted on 06/15/2013 7:25:00 PM PDT by lightman (Prosecute the heresies; pity the heretics.)
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To: Innovative
Orrin Hatch: Think the IRS Is Bad Now? Just Wait. ( for when it administers Obamacare )

Nothing but illusionary scare tactics for his home base. He will do nothing about this, especially pressure the House Pubbies to remove the funding from any continuing budget resolutions. Last week he was very close to saying there should be an exception for the staffers who will be leaving because of the high costs of Obamacare.

6 posted on 06/15/2013 7:25:46 PM PDT by capydick (''Life's tough.......it's even tougher if you're stupid.'')
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To: Innovative

Not interested in hearing from those in Congress who knew about domestic spying all along and kept quiet.


7 posted on 06/15/2013 7:26:18 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: Christie at the beach; Mark17; Anitius Severinus Boethius

As long as Dems control the Senate and we have a Dem president, there isn’t much that can be done.

Republicans should go to the American people NOW and ask them to support R candidates, and pledge to overturn Obamacare, if they get the majority, then do it, of course.

Remember, how Newt developed a national agenda and that is how Republicans regained the House after many years of Dem control.


8 posted on 06/15/2013 7:28:08 PM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Innovative
Put all the potential fraud and improper payments with these credits on top of the already soaring budget for the premium subsidies and we're headed for a disaster.

Quite true, Senator.

So what do you plan to do about it?

Aside from bitch at us...???

9 posted on 06/15/2013 7:28:30 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: Innovative

But the whoring Senate and House will do NOTHING
about it because THEY ARE NOT UNDER IT.
Nor are their families. Nor their staff.

(Nor Moslems, the apparent winners of the 911 Atrocities).


10 posted on 06/15/2013 7:31:15 PM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: Mark17

Well, these Congressbeings are mostly huge egotists; they do care about the people, but only to the extent that they get cheers from the people. The better spirituality of earlier years kept egotism in check, but that’s pretty much gone by the boards now.

Anyhow, this COULD be a situation that the providential Lord has set up as an ambush for evil, even through a self worshiping Congress. Once people actually DO begin to holler, things will happen, as Congress’ cheering gallery will be in genuine danger.

That’s my read.


11 posted on 06/15/2013 7:34:58 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: Innovative

It’s not that the IRS “can’t manage an increase of 1,700 applications for tax-exempt status”, the groups where targeted because of their politics.

If Hatch cared he could push for repeal of CommieCare, consistently not flip-flopping. He could push to defund it. He could push for abolishing the IRS. He does none of these things. Instead he comes up with some lame story about the IRS not being able to handle 1,700 applications.

Just another RINO.


12 posted on 06/15/2013 7:35:51 PM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: Diogenesis

They are personally not under it, but the common voter that they still need will be. Even the welfare set will find it harder, not easier, to get medical care; Obama has screwed it up that bad.


13 posted on 06/15/2013 7:36:36 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: Innovative
and you aren't stopping IRS funding BECAUSE???
14 posted on 06/15/2013 7:37:13 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Innovative

What?? Hatch deflecting from the Utah Data Center??

http://www.hatch.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/releases?ID=5d4b834f-1b78-be3e-e0b1-b01c0bd451ff

As the longest-serving member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Hatch began working on bringing the Data Center to Utah in 2007. He held several conversations with seniors members of the Intelligence Community, and in 2008, Camp Williams was selected over 37 other sites as the location for the new Data Center. Hatch has continued to work with congressional committees to ensure the Data Center was fully authorized, and helped scale regulatory obstacles as well.

In September 2010, the Army Corps of Engineers awarded a construction contract to a consortium which includes the Big-D Construction Corporation in Salt Lake City.

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/home/50999978-76/utah-center-construction-national.html.csp

Center to build Utah’s economy, patriotic reputation
Salt Lake Tribune, The (UT) - Thursday, January 6, 2011
Author: Mike Gorrell The Salt Lake Tribune

Camp Williams - The creation of up to 10,000 construction jobs alone makes the Utah Data Center a great project for the state.

But speakers at Thursday’s ground-breaking ceremony for the $1.5 billion facility emphasized that economic benefits aside, the center solidifies Utah’s position as a leading defender of the American way of life.

“The threat posed by computer hackers is very real and growing,” Sen. Orrin Hatch , R-Utah, told more than 200 participants at the event commemorating the start of construction on the computerized center that will help U.S. intelligence agencies combat “cybersecurity” threats.

“This country defends itself against cyberattacks every day. It’s an arena where we need to defend ourselves,” he added. “This center will support the effort to better understand that threat.”

(snip)

http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/01/12/cyber.defense.center/index.html

(January 12, 2011)

The NSA will take the lead at the center, assisting the Department of Homeland Security and other agencies in protecting cyber networks.

Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, lobbied to get the center in his home state.

“The data center will be part of our expanding efforts to defend our Department of Defense computer systems from cyber attack and will also play a key role in helping Homeland Security keep our government’s civilian computer systems safe,” he said.

The new facility will give the NSA much needed computing and data storage space. A huge amount of cyber work is already done at NSA headquarters in Fort Meade, Maryland, and the Utah center will balance the load across the power grid.

“There are limits on the load,” one congressional official explained. “You can’t simultaneously run 12 showers in your home.”

Hatch said the 1 million-square-foot facility will have 100 to 200 full-time employees with expertise in information technology and electrical and mechanical engineering.


15 posted on 06/15/2013 7:50:14 PM PDT by maggief
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To: Innovative

DEFUND IT!!!!


16 posted on 06/15/2013 7:51:00 PM PDT by Liberty Wins
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
what would you say to them?

Tell the President your state is seceding from the Union and join the other 54 states in removing the communists from the White House. And that, in President Mursi's words "all options are on the table".

SIDE NOTE: The reason Obama said 57 states is because there are 57 states, but only 55 of them are not classified. There are some secret bases that legally are a U.S. state and our possession of the territory has long been a matter of dispute between major powers, but US citizens need not know. Everyone else knows, pretty much.

ANYWAY, the non classified are the 50 we all know, and then:
Puerto Rico
The Virgin Islands
Guam
American Samoa
Northern Mariana Islands

They are STATES, just like the one you live in. The U.S. has 55 known STATES. And two bastard children.

Obama said it, even knowing the populace sticks with 50 because that's how many stars are on the flag, because it was something he was told in briefings, and he couldn't wait to say it so he could feel superior to the rest of the populace. However, it backfired on him, and he couldn't fix it by explaining why there really were 57 to the public. So he had to keep his mouth shut and take it. He didn't like that. But it proved to him that the public was as dumb as he thought.

(Disclaimer: Other than the part about there being 55 states ,which is fact, the rest is complete satire and coincidentally happens to be true.)

17 posted on 06/15/2013 7:54:53 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: Innovative

Then do something about it, Orrin. Do something about it. That’s your job.


18 posted on 06/15/2013 7:55:10 PM PDT by clintonh8r ("Europe was created by history. America was created by a philosophy." Baroness Thatcher)
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To: Innovative

But the amnesty-pimping douche Hatch has no problem with the IRS handing $4.2 billion a year in fraudulent tax credits to illegal aliens.


19 posted on 06/15/2013 8:10:27 PM PDT by montag813
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
They haven't even said they will stop the practice of sicking the IRS and all the other agencies against us.
They fired two people that was about it.
20 posted on 06/15/2013 8:10:38 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: Steve Van Doorn

So what would you tell Orin Hatch to do?


21 posted on 06/15/2013 8:11:18 PM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius (www.wilsonharpbooks.com - New Robin Hood book out!)
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To: Mark17
And what does Orrin Hatch plan to do about it?

Want to bet the new NSA data collection center in Utah is a Hatch pork barrel project?

22 posted on 06/15/2013 8:14:37 PM PDT by peyton randolph (FUBO and his wookie beard)
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To: Innovative

So, Hatch - you retard - what have YOU done to keep us straight?


23 posted on 06/15/2013 8:27:45 PM PDT by Paladin2 (;-))
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To: Innovative

Oh really? when was the last budget passed? why is government still operating? Who controls the house again?

With the exception of a few, all the current R’s can go eff themselves. They belong on the other side of the isle.


24 posted on 06/15/2013 8:28:00 PM PDT by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: Mark17

It sounds like you are saying that Orrin Hatch is bad too, but I think others have already made that comment! I guess UT sent Mike Lee up there to dilute Hatch.


25 posted on 06/15/2013 8:31:05 PM PDT by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: HiTech RedNeck

What makes you think the American people will ever begin “to holler” as you put it?


26 posted on 06/15/2013 8:32:45 PM PDT by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: UCANSEE2

Nice try.. Dumb Dumb thought there where 58..

“”It is just wonderful to be back in Oregon. And over the last 15 months we’ve traveled to every corner of the United States. I’ve now been in 57 states; I think one left to go.”

57+1


27 posted on 06/15/2013 8:33:35 PM PDT by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: peyton randolph

Or he knows what kind of dirt they have on him.


28 posted on 06/15/2013 8:34:12 PM PDT by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: peyton randolph
Want to bet the new NSA data collection center in Utah is a Hatch pork barrel project?

Well, that is about the first thing I thought of too.

29 posted on 06/15/2013 8:34:46 PM PDT by Mark17 (My heart is in the Philippines, and soon I will be too.)
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To: Innovative
"The math shows that we could see between $210 billion and $250 billion distributed to those who shouldn't get it—because the IRS has no system in place to verify reported household income."

He wants his bureaucrats to be allowed to monitor your bank accounts, real time.


30 posted on 06/15/2013 8:49:50 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Innovative

Cockroaches are slippery little bastards individually.

DDT or it’s equivalent (Ted Cruz)

TT


31 posted on 06/15/2013 9:07:30 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (Idiocracy used to just be a Movie... Live every day as your last...one day you will be right)
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To: Innovative

they are agressive idiots with way too much power over people, and they are right until proven wrong, and even then they are still not wrong, and these will be the people you will deal with regarding your healthcare and incredibly sensitive personal info.


32 posted on 06/15/2013 10:03:29 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Christie at the beach
"If any of these elected officials were sincere..."

They are sincere.

They sincerely understand what is coming and they are either supporters of it, on the inside, or resistors of it, on the outside. THAT is what they are sincere about. Their oath to uphold the Constitution, their morals, their appreciation for tradition, their love of the country...this is all passe. Dead meat. Gone. End.

33 posted on 06/15/2013 10:18:15 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (This stuff we're going through now, this is nothing compared to the middle ages.)
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To: Mark17

I think its time to round up career politicians and try them for treason. We can do it now in an orderly fashion or later with much messiness.


34 posted on 06/15/2013 10:53:00 PM PDT by samadams2000 (Someone important make......The Call!)
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To: cableguymn

55,57,58, does it really matter ?

Why do you think he would say 57+1 when most people believe there are only 50 ?

It wasn’t the teleprompter, and it’s not like he doesn’t know how many stars are on the flag.

Besides, he was probably lying about having gone to them all.


35 posted on 06/15/2013 10:53:16 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: Innovative

The IRS is the perfect example of the NAZI mindset and bureaucracy.

The legislators, in ‘crafting’ their laws garner the input and requirements of experts, many of them from the very FedGov groups they oversee. Additionally, the Courts have held that those same ‘expert’ bureaucrats should be given ‘latitude’ in determining just how far to implement the self-crafted rules of implementation.

As a result, the courts consider it a legislative prerogative to give the creation of the implementing rules to the bureaucrats and will rarely intercede. Meanwhile the legislators claim that it is the executive branch that is responsible for the overreach.

I no longer believe we have enough folk in DC that are cognizant of the restrictions our Constitution places on their activities. Too many of the Reid/Pelosi socialists, and too few of the Rand Paul/Bachmann constitutionalists.

God save the USA!


36 posted on 06/15/2013 11:02:57 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: Diogenesis

...Senate and House will do NOTHING
about it because THEY ARE NOT UNDER IT.
Nor are their families. Nor their staff.
***************
They WILL be under Obamacare Jan.1st. That’s why there have been recent articles about Congress critters and their staffers considering quitting their jobs. Many have stated that they will not be able to afford the premiums.


37 posted on 06/15/2013 11:11:17 PM PDT by octex
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To: Innovative

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFALonjLay0&feature=player_embedded

Well done video on the para-military IRS raids on small businesses. Do we really want to give them more power over us?


38 posted on 06/16/2013 2:13:20 AM PDT by marsh2
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To: octex

They are NOT under ObamaCARE.

Neither are Moslems.


39 posted on 06/16/2013 3:43:49 AM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
We have not seen this type of government attacking a group of people since the KKK. The KKK was the democrats group of thugs targeting republicans. Even the Japanese camps we had a reason the war with the Japanese government.

Given this massive abuse by government the IRS shouldn't even exist after what took place. Anyone not working for that objective should just move aside and let someone that can get the job done

40 posted on 06/16/2013 3:54:21 AM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: HiTech RedNeck
a self worshiping Congress

Perfectly captures a key problem in our government today.

41 posted on 06/16/2013 4:35:36 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (Buck Off, Bronco Bama)
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To: marsh2

That is absolutely chilling; I had no idea it was going on... makes me glad I closed and liquidated my Family Farm Business on 11/1/11, after 22yrs.


42 posted on 06/16/2013 4:43:03 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Guns kill people, pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk & spoons make you fat.)
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To: UCANSEE2

Everything he says is a lie. But some where trying to tie it to the 57 islamic states.. Obama is just a puppet. If someone does not have their hand up his ass, he’s as dumb as one to.


43 posted on 06/16/2013 6:58:14 AM PDT by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: Theodore R.
What makes you think the American people will ever begin “to holler” as you put it?

When you have multiple government agencies working in unison to squelch the "hollering" it makes it a little hard to get the message out.

About the only thing left is armed insurrection.

44 posted on 06/16/2013 7:05:05 AM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: octex

“They WILL be under Obamacare Jan.1st. That’s why there have been recent articles about Congress critters and their staffers considering quitting their jobs. Many have stated that they will not be able to afford the premiums.”

As for we great unwashed, well, we can just eat cake.


45 posted on 06/16/2013 9:56:07 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: Theodore R.

What makes you think they never will? Your doubt of God?


46 posted on 06/16/2013 11:13:10 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Based on a history of voting patterns by the American people, the future is not promising. Others may find a silver lining her or now.


47 posted on 06/16/2013 12:11:21 PM PDT by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: Mark17
And what does Orrin Hatch plan to do about it?

My feelings exactly.

I'm so tired of all the PONTIFICATING without any followup actions of justice being dealt out. "Welcome my friends to the show that never ends"

Are we watching yet another Kabuki theater presentation?

48 posted on 06/16/2013 4:25:35 PM PDT by VideoDoctor
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To: VideoDoctor

Why don’t these congress creatures do something to end this commie/nobama takeover? Do something to hold these traitors to account. Didn’t these congress morons take an oath to defend the Constitution?


49 posted on 06/16/2013 10:37:34 PM PDT by ogen hal (First amendment or reeducation camp)
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