Could Syria ignite World War 3? two Muslim ideologies suck in the world's superpowers

DailyMail ^ | June 13, 2013 | Micheal Burleigh

[PieterCasparzen]

The CIA having the goal of establishing an Islamic caliphate would be highly unlikely; therefore, since the goals of al-Qa’eda are being advanced,

Hah, (lol) I used to think caliphate. No, when you look at the history of UK/US business/CIA/military in the mideast, you realize those little Kings are vassals. It's literally and figuratively a sandbox for the CIA to play in and do the bidding of the financial oligarchy.

Revolution after revolution after revolution, expressly for the purpose of keeping the area under autocratic rule, getting used to free stuff, becoming dependent on the state, etc. Keep them fighting each other. Keep selling them military equipment, hotels, airports, office towers, investments in the West, Treasury bonds, Bechtel services, bridges, dams, Caterpillar tractors, Toyota pickups, MANPADs, etc., etc., etc.

If we only keep sending them dollars and they never invest them or spend them, we have a trade imbalance problem like the British did buying things with silver in China (they substituted opium for silver to fix their problem).

The oligarchy gets them to invest in Western markets and Western sovereign debt, as well as spend on Western goods and services. The oligarchy minions in USAID funnel tax dollars over there to buy stuff from oligarchy corps. This encourages them to "arm up" with a lot of military hardware from oligarchy defense businesses and build large standing armies that can be "set off" with the right espionage and diplomatic effort.

The oligarchy plans and implements all wars for the past century, and they do not want the USA, their own HQ and all their nice estates, to be trashed, unless they will make an enormous amount of money from it, or be able to bring the US under a global or regional government, and I don't think the US is ready for that.

The Saudis were put in place by Standard Oil and have been American vassals ever since. The Muslim Brotherhood was the creation of MI6. They're the ones mostly talking about caliphate, so I know this is just talk to motivate the young guys being recruited for service in jihad groups. It's all bluster with absolutely zero capability to militarily do anything to the US. The jihadis are just used to strike fear into Western populations by doing attacks now and then. This is then used to tighten up on gun owership in the US and make the police state seem "safe" and acceptable in Western nations, as well as justify setting up domesting spying operations against those who defy globalism's various agendas.

Muslims have been encouraged to migrate to the US, but this is simply to provide domestic chaos, which perpetually justifies the police state.

[cunning_fish]

>>>>Assad+Russia vs. Al Queda+United States...what could go wrong!<<<<

Wait for another No-Fly Zone and you’ll have another Korean War. This time with US on the wrong side of history (just like any other time since the end of Cold War).

[Cvengr]

After reading Ezekiel 38-39, I don’t have any real drive to visit Syria.

[gotribe]

It’s about nat gas to Europe from Qatar. The Powers don’t care about shiite or sunni.

[Olog-hai]

That’s conspiracy theory territory. The CIA is not a giant shadow organization with radical Islam as their pawns; certainly not the weakened CIA whose funding was gutted under Bill Clinton. EU propaganda. Please spare us; I’ve heard it all before, especially during the Lisbon Treaty vote in Ireland where the pro-EU forces were trying to make it seem that “the CIA” was trying to get Ireland to vote “No” a second time for the purposes of the “evil” USA, that Declan Ganley’s political party “Libertas” was running a front organization for “the CIA”, et cetera. Frankly, I’d regard the BND as a greater danger than the neutered CIA.

[gotribe]

This forum needs a thumbs up option.

[KeyLargo]

Newsmax

White House: We'll Give Syrian Rebels Arms, Support Thursday, June 13, 2013 06:39 PM

By: REUTERS

The United States is boosting military support to the main Syrian rebel group after determining that the government has used chemical weapons against the opposition, a top White House official said on Thursday.

"The president has made a decision about providing more support to the opposition, that will involve providing direct support to the (Supreme Military Council), that includes military support," Deputy National Security Advisor Ben Rhodes told reporters on a conference call. "This is going to be different in both scope and scale in terms of what we are providing to the SMC than what we have provided before."

The Supreme Military Council is the military wing of the main civilian opposition group.

[Olog-hai]

Empowering the country’s enemies is dangerous warmongering to be sure.

[trebb]

I do hope we dont get mixed up with this mess

We are in this mess because Obama already got mixed up in it - incited it just like other muzzie strongholds that weren't quite so radicalized before the "Won" interfered.

[AppyPappy]

I’m guessing we won’t get involved. Obama won’t know which side to pick.

[PieterCasparzen]

That’s conspiracy theory territory. The CIA is not a giant shadow organization with radical Islam as their pawns; certainly not the weakened CIA whose funding was gutted under Bill Clinton. EU propaganda. Please spare us; I’ve heard it all before, especially during the Lisbon Treaty vote in Ireland where the pro-EU forces were trying to make it seem that “the CIA” was trying to get Ireland to vote “No” a second time for the purposes of the “evil” USA, that Declan Ganley’s political party “Libertas” was running a front organization for “the CIA”, et cetera. Frankly, I’d regard the BND as a greater danger than the neutered CIA.

Yes, it's a conspiracy theory, which may or may not be true. Based on my readings, I feel pretty confident in what I wrote. Yes, the CIA is not a giant shadow organization. I just said its hand-picked leadership is consistently closely aligned with the same non-governmental interests.

As far as the CIA being weakened or neutered, if you don't work for the CIA then that is a theory, since no one outside CIA has any idea about its internals.

[Olog-hai]

That does bespeak infiltration from without.

[MurrietaMadman]

Well done explanation. A couple of points to clarify for my understanding is that the British were instrumental in helping the Saudi/Wahhabi alliance since the mid-Nineteenth Century. The U.S. was tasked with control back around 1932. Not too great a departure from your narrative since you pointed out the connection between the cia and the British.

The heavy import of muslims to our shores also has another aim, imo. Domestic chaos network, of course, but keeping in mind Obama’s public declaration we are no longer a Christian nation only, it is imperative that we not dismiss the establishment of the global caliphate.

One world, one government, one religion is what this is all about. Until that is a reality everything is in play for the Dark side. Sunni vs Shiite. Saudi vs Al Qaeda. Teleprompter vs Constitution. Whatever can be used for advantage will be used.

I’m heading out the door in a few minutes and won’t be back until after midnight to reply to anyone.

[Olog-hai]

It’s called infiltration. If any of those moves were really intended to benefit the Brits or the USA, the British Empire would be bigger than ever and the USA would be unstoppable. Instead, the opposite occurred.

[PieterCasparzen]

I agree 100%.

Though God has permitted the financial oligarchy to rise up and wield enormous power and influence, they oppose God and his Law Word for clear reasons; should the people turn to God, they would turn away from the wickedness with which the financial oligarchs tempt them, namely, sin and debt, and slavery to both.

Thus a consistent strategy of theirs has always been to infiltrate Churches and subvert their teaching of the true Gospel. Of course, they have done this to a great extent. More than one Church has troubling relationships with intelligence services and the financial oligarchy.

As far as the few small Christian denominations that stay true in their doctrine, the oligarchy tries to support every attack on them possible to marginalize them, including, but not limited to, ridicule, intimidation, legal proceedings, false religions, etc.

This explains the remolding of laws in the US over the past five decades to blatantly contradict Biblical moral law. It increasingly forces Churches to either adopt anti-Biblical teachings or face retribution from the government.

You're exactly correct on promoting Islam in the US. It is yet another tool with which to oppose Christianity.

A key tactic that enables this opposition, of course, is using the First Amendment clause as legal protection for any and all groups that purport to be a religion but which oppose God and his Law Word, the Bible.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

Making no reference at all to the Bible leaves the legal door open for pagan worship, and what's much worse, sets up the situation where courts of law in the United States staunchly defend ever increasing heathen and wicked practices that attack the Bible and the Christian faithful for living according to it. For the first hundred years, perhaps, this open door was not employed with much effect, but now we see Americans increasingly being subjected to life under a civil government that is not based on Scripture. The present situation, being exactly what the First Amendment provides for, is, therefore, God giving America what it asked for in its Constitution; it left out the words God and Bible.

American Christians are the spiritual heirs of those Christians who left their land in order that they might escape persecution and live under God in good conscience, those first arrivals in what would become America. Today's Christians the world over are called to heed Biblical teachings regarding ancient Israel's national covenanting.

Hosea 8:

"3 Israel hath cast off the thing that is good: the enemy shall pursue him.

4 They have set up kings, but not by me: they have made princes, and I knew it not: of their silver and their gold have they made them idols, that they may be cut off.

5 Thy calf, O Samaria, hath cast thee off; mine anger is kindled against them: how long will it be ere they attain to innocency?

6 For from Israel was it also: the workman made it; therefore it is not God: but the calf of Samaria shall be broken in pieces.

7 For they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind: it hath no stalk; the bud shall yield no meal: if so be it yield, the strangers shall swallow it up."

Those early Americans to a great extent lived according to the Word; once lost, it is replaced by any man-designed, wicked system of morals, beliefs and laws that strikes the fancy of those who wield power behind the scenes. We most certainly are battling principalities and powers that are increasingly swallowing up the yield of America.

[PieterCasparzen]

It’s called infiltration. If any of those moves were really intended to benefit the Brits or the USA, the British Empire would be bigger than ever and the USA would be unstoppable. Instead, the opposite occurred.

Just to recall, the US/UK gov'ts are subverted, captured, ruled behind the scenes by the real powers.

The real powers do not care about being patriotic and actually helping the nation of the UK or the nation of the US. They simply use their militaries as tools. They actually want to have the masses of the populations enslaved - yet seemingly free. Debt, taxes and regulation are used to keep those who are not smart, crooks or both, "in the harness" and working. Smarties can "join the system" and gain wealth in the Western nations. But their wealth is then tied to, and ultimately managed by, the oligarch's system.

The oligarchs, behind the scenes, have managed the wars of the 20th century. It enables them to restructure nations.

The whole worldwide deal is enslavement without the chains. Willing slaves, either submissive or even happy.

Have you read Antony Sutton or viewed the videos of interviews with him ?

[SaraJohnson]

We can not mind our own business to save our souls! Globalism will be the end of us.

It is against the law for Americans to fund and abet Muslim terrorist groups, yet our president has funded (and protected) terrorist groups in Libya and now Syria. Senator McStupid was in Syria hanging out with Al Qaeda! Right after he came back to the US his terrorist pals wiped out a Christian village. They are dragging the US and the world through a hornet’s nest.

[Drew68]

Curious conundrum we are facing .... The enemy of our enemy is also a sworn enemy of ours!!!

I know quite well why Al Qaeda is our enemy. I'm not really clear on why Assad is now our enemy.

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks Tennessee Nana.

Assad is supported by Iran (the main Shia power in the Middle East) and its militant Lebanese ally, the terrorist group Hezbollah. The latter is Iran’s main weapon in any fight with Israel. As a result, Assad is advised (and protected) by Iran’s Revolutionary Guard, and there are also between 5,000 and 8,000 seasoned Hezbollah fighters inside Syria.

[PieterCasparzen]

Because he won’t let us run his country our way in terms of banking, pipelines, etc.

USAID, MEPI, CIA, etc. have been working on getting Syria to change their Constitution, government structure, you know, little things like that, for perhaps a decade.

And we’ve tried to be helpful in getting him to decide to give in to us by funding opposition movements in Syria during all that time.

I mean, really, if he won’t be our vassal, he’s our enemy, right ?

I mean, doesn’t the whole world report to our bankers ?

After all, Israel’s on board, Saudi Arabia is on board, Iraq’s on board, Afghanistan’s on board, Libya’s on board, Egypt’s on board, Tunisia’s on board.

Syria, Turkey, Iran - the whole world - they should know by now that if Wall Street is not happy they send the US military to kick their government’s a$$... you know, not as conquerors, as liberators.

Like Syria used to have their own soft drink cola, made in Syria. I mean, what nerve. Everybody knows it’s either Coke or Pepsi and everything else is just plain wrong. And those dang fools refuse to buy US Treasury debt. Now how is our gubmint supposed to spend trillions of dollars and force the US taxpayer to pay a huge chunk of their income in tax every year, if the central banks of every other country does not ante up and buy our debt ? If the gubmint printed the money it spent the gubmint wouldn’t owe anything. And then why would you need to collect them trillions of taxes ? Without those taxes, our American taxpayer slaves might get rich, and rich slaves stop working.