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To the Boy Scouts and Others Warning: Reality is Not Politically Correct
The Aquila Report ^ | 5-26-13 | Jason A. Van Bemmel

Posted on 05/26/2013 8:43:35 AM PDT by ReformationFan

All teens need to be taught by their parents, teachers, pastors and mentors that their sexual desires are not their identity, nor do they need to be controlled by them. Who we are is so much greater than our appetites, sexual or otherwise. And all of us can learn, by God’s grace, to master and subdue our desires.

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Good editorial by a PCA(Presbyterian Church in America) teaching elder.
1 posted on 05/26/2013 8:43:35 AM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: ReformationFan

“No one should hate anyone ever. No one should call other people names, bully them, ridicule them, intimidate them, etc. That is wrong. Period. Christians who bully and intimidate others- whether they are homosexuals or Muslims, atheists or Wiccans- are dishonoring Christ and disobeying Scripture, which commands us to love our neighbors as ourselves.”

Unless one is a Mormon; then it’s OK.


2 posted on 05/26/2013 8:50:28 AM PDT by District13 (I miss my country!)
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To: ReformationFan

why has talk radio and the stupid party mentioned all of this too and mentioned social issues.
We have known for decades their plan and our side did nothing, but remain cowards or become sell outs to big money from big companies from the north east

communist rules from 1963

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal, natural, healthy.”

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with “social” religion.
28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of “separation of church and state.”

Then 1987

It is all part of The Plan:

(First Published in Gay Community News, Feb. 15-21, 1987 and also put into the Congressional Record. Author - Michael Swift.)

We shall sodomize your sons, emblems of your feeble masculinity, of your shallow dreams and vulgar lies. We shall seduce them in your schools, in your dormitories, in your gymnasiums, in your locker rooms, in your sports arenas, in your seminaries, in your youth groups, in your movie theater bathrooms, in your army bunkhouses, in your truck stops, in your all male clubs, in your houses of Congress, wherever men are with men together. Your sons shall become our minions and do our bidding. They will be recast in our image. They will come to crave and adore us.

Women, you cry for freedom. You say you are no longer satisfied with men; they make you unhappy. We, connoisseurs of the masculine face, the masculine physique, shall take your men from you then. We will amuse them; we will instruct them; we will embrace them when they weep. Women, you say you wish to live with each other instead of with men. Then go and be with each other. We shall give your men pleasures they have never known because we are foremost men too, and only one man knows how to truly please another man; only one man can understand the depth and feeling, the mind and body of another man.

All laws banning homosexual activity will be revoked. Instead, legislation shall be passed which engenders love between men.

All homosexuals must stand together as brothers; we must be united artistically, philosophically, socially, politically and financially. We will triumph only when we present a common face to the vicious heterosexual enemy.

If you dare to cry faggot, fairy, queer, at us, we will stab you in your cowardly hearts and defile your dead, puny bodies.

We shall write poems of the love between men; we shall stage plays in which man openly caresses man; we shall make films about the love between heroic men which will replace the cheap, superficial, sentimental, insipid, juvenile, heterosexual infatuations presently dominating your cinema screens. We shall sculpt statues of beautiful young men, of bold athletes which will be placed in your parks, your squares, your plazas. The museums of the world will be filled only with paintings of graceful, naked lads.

Our writers and artists will make love between men fashionable and de rigueur, and we will succeed because we are adept at setting styles. We will eliminate heterosexual liaisons through usage of the devices of wit and ridicule, devices which we are skilled in employing.

We will unmask the powerful homosexuals who masquerade as heterosexuals. You will be shocked and frightened when you find that your presidents and their sons, your industrialists, your senators, your mayors, your generals, your athletes, your film stars, your television personalities, your civic leaders, your priests are not the safe, familiar, bourgeois, heterosexual figures you assumed them to be. We are everywhere; we have infiltrated your ranks. Be careful when you speak of homosexuals because we are always among you; we may be sitting across the desk from you; we may be sleeping in the same bed with you.

There will be no compromises. We are not middle-class weaklings. Highly intelligent, we are the natural aristocrats of the human race, and steely-minded aristocrats never settle for less. Those who oppose us will be exiled.

We shall raise vast private armies, as Mishima did, to defeat you. We shall conquer the world because warriors inspired by and banded together by homosexual love and honor are invincible as were the ancient Greek soldiers.

The family unit-spawning ground of lies, betrayals, mediocrity, hypocrisy and violence—will be abolished. The family unit, which only dampens imagination and curbs free will, must be eliminated. Perfect boys will be conceived and grown in the genetic laboratory. They will be bonded together in communal setting, under the control and instruction of homosexual savants.

All churches who condemn us will be closed. Our only gods are handsome young men. We adhere to a cult of beauty, moral and esthetic. All that is ugly and vulgar and banal will be annihilated. Since we are alienated from middle-class heterosexual conventions, we are free to live our lives according to the dictates of the pure imagination. For us too much is not enough.

The exquisite society to emerge will be governed by an elite comprised of gay poets. One of the major requirements for a position of power in the new society of homoeroticism will be indulgence in the Greek passion. Any man contaminated with heterosexual lust will be automatically barred from a position of influence. All males who insist on remaining stupidly heterosexual will be tried in homosexual courts of justice and will become invisible men.

We shall rewrite history, history filled and debased with your heterosexual lies and distortions. We shall portray the homosexuality of the great leaders and thinkers who have shaped the world. We will demonstrate that homosexuality and intelligence and imagination are inextricably linked, and that homosexuality is a requirement for true nobility, true beauty in a man.

We shall be victorious because we are fueled with the ferocious bitterness of the oppressed who have been forced to play seemingly bit parts in your dumb, heterosexual shows throughout the ages. We too are capable of firing guns and manning the barricades of the ultimate revolution.

Tremble, hetero swine, when we appear before you without our masks.


3 posted on 05/26/2013 8:52:28 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: District13

er maybe you forgot about who are the real bullies like the radical left, the media, the homostapo., homosexuals who intimidate anyone who opposes them, this Govt who has used so many ways ot silence others, wiretaps,name calling, DOJ, IRS, DOE

yea well I hate the homostapo for it is they who have and are destroying this country with their disgusting ways and agenda to force others to have to have and accept them .


4 posted on 05/26/2013 8:54:37 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: District13

LOL!!


5 posted on 05/26/2013 8:57:06 AM PDT by randog (Tap into America!)
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To: ReformationFan
From the article:

This means that openly homosexual scouts will be going on camping trips with other boys, sleeping in the same tents, showering together, etc. How is this fundamentally different from allowing a boy to go on a Girl Scout camping trip?

Young homosexual scouts have always been doing all those things. People will think we're a bunch of idiots posting nonsense like this.

6 posted on 05/26/2013 8:59:04 AM PDT by eclecticEel (Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness: 7/4/1776 - 3/21/2010)
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To: ReformationFan

The lawsuits against the BSA in the future will finish them off.


7 posted on 05/26/2013 9:02:40 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I'm a Conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: manc

Disturbing, but I’m still laughing at that author, Mr.(ms.?)Michael Swift.


8 posted on 05/26/2013 9:02:50 AM PDT by jughandle
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To: eclecticEel

heard the same excuses for the military and look what we have in the last two years,.

rapes on men have risen to record levels.

Let homosexuals be out there for all to see and let them act and say what they want ten boys will be hurt like men are in the military, so the they have been dong it for years is a cop out , just another excuse for some to shut up about he dangers homosexuals put on groups, boys etc


9 posted on 05/26/2013 9:06:30 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: ReformationFan

Great first paragraph

This is where homosexuals jumped the shark long ago


10 posted on 05/26/2013 9:06:40 AM PDT by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: eclecticEel

Culture war much now do we Eel?


11 posted on 05/26/2013 9:08:42 AM PDT by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: manc

Holy Crike - I have never seen this Manifesto before. Look what was accomplished in 25 years. If all of our major institutions are now completely infiltrated (look at the edict coming out of DOJ for employees to embrace, not just tolerate, their homosexual coworkers OR ELSE), NOW WHAT? I have read that many members of Congress have their gay flings, and that may be why Dr. Frist stepped down all of a sudden rather than be outed. There’s some pretty hardcore information on our PINO and his gay blade activities in Chicago. It’s all about the CHAOS and destroying America. Are we going to let this happen without a fight???


12 posted on 05/26/2013 9:11:33 AM PDT by Sioux-san
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To: District13
I'm beginning to think this is a Mormon plot to drive the Catholics out of Scouting.

The Mormon cult has allied with the homosexual perverts and their corporate sponsors to force the homosexual agenda into the tent.

This drives out the Catholics and other parents who care about their kids and leaves only the cultists to make scouting their own personal institution.

Next best thing to capturing the White House I guess.

13 posted on 05/26/2013 9:15:46 AM PDT by Rome2000 (THE WASHINGTONIANS AND UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE ARE THE ENEMY -ROTATE THE CAPITAL AMONGST THE STATES)
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To: District13

[[which commands us to love our neighbors as ourselves.”]]

That’s true, but do we have the courage to love htem as we should? Do we have the courage to CONFRONT them about hteir sin? A parent that loves a child does NOT allow the child to run amok nor to continue in activities which are harmful to the child- TRUE love corrects the other person even if it is a difficult hting to do or might cause them anger- Love does NOT allow them to continue in sin without confrontign htem nor does love simpyl stand idly by while they walk all over us or abuse us- to simply stand htere and take the abuse, is to NOT love that person- it is passively allowign htem to continue in a sinful state while remainign silent whiel they head to perdition-


14 posted on 05/26/2013 9:16:31 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: manc

manc- what hte heck- that crap made it into our congressional record? WHY was it put into hte record? I find it hard to beleive soemthign as blatant as those statements of criminal itnent woudl be incorporated itno the congressional record?


15 posted on 05/26/2013 9:19:33 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: District13

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has given tacit approval to the Boy Scouts’ proposal to allow gay youth to join, saying they “appreciate the positive things” included in the plan to end the organization’s controversial ban on gay boys.
The Boy Scouts of America last week proposed allowing gay youth – but not adults – to participate in the private youth organization. That came two months after they floated the idea of allowing gays and lesbians of all ages to join, a proposal that was denounced by the conservative religious groups that make up a bulk of Scouting.
“We are grateful to BSA for their careful consideration of these issues. We appreciate the positive things contained in this current proposal that will help build and strengthen the moral character and leadership skills of youth as we work together in the future,” the LDS church said Thursday in a statement posted to their website.

“The current BSA proposal constructively addresses a number of important issues that have been part of the ongoing dialogue, including consistent standards for all BSA partners, recognition that Scouting exists to serve and benefit youth rather than Scout leaders, a single standard of moral purity for youth in the program, and a renewed emphasis for Scouts to honor their duty to God.”

The Mormon church tops the list of membership enrollment numbers, with 431,000 youths participating in LDS-sponsored units as of Dec. 31, 2012. That was followed by the United Methodist Church at 364,000 and the Catholic Church at 274,000. More than 70 percent of Scouting units are chartered to faith-based groups.

The Boy Scouts said Thursday in a statement that it was pleased the LDS church was “satisfied that the BSA has made a thoughtful, good-faith effort to address this issue.”
“For nearly 100 years we have worked together with the mutual goal of building the moral character and leadership skills of youth. We believe kids are better off when they are in Scouting, and the program is successful because of its relationships with valued chartered organizations like the Church,” the statement said.-NBC News


16 posted on 05/26/2013 9:21:05 AM PDT by Rome2000 (THE WASHINGTONIANS AND UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE ARE THE ENEMY -ROTATE THE CAPITAL AMONGST THE STATES)
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To: manc

and oen woudl htink that if htis was a gay manifesto that was incorporated into the record of congress that a republican somwehre woudl have expsoed it for hte fiulth and vile criminality it is- We have laws agaisnt pedophilia in this coutnry, and htis manifesto makes it clear they are violating those laws- We have laws agaisnt rape- and this manifesto makes it clear they intend to violate htose laws- Seems at least oen or two peopel of moral fortitude woudl have by now exposed this crap to the public and let it be known that IF anytrhign in that manifesto is carried otu htat swift and severe punishment will face whoever is the perpetrator

or are the GOP so spineless these dasys that they sit silently by while homosexuals violate our laws?


17 posted on 05/26/2013 9:25:29 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: eclecticEel
Young homosexual scouts have always been doing all those things. People will think we're a bunch of idiots posting nonsense like this.

The difference is, now they will believe they have "permission." Since DADT was rolled back, the number of gay rapes in the military has increased.

18 posted on 05/26/2013 9:25:40 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("There can be no dialogue with the prince of this world." -- Francis)
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To: Rome2000

My son is in a Cub Scout group organized by the local Catholic Church with a female to male transsexual leader. I initially put him in it because my church , the LDS or Mormon church, does not start scouts until 8 years old. But I’ve since removed him from the group and we will wait until he turns 8. The Mormons do not allow transsexuals to be leaders, and teaches abstinence until marriage.


19 posted on 05/26/2013 9:26:27 AM PDT by Burkean (.)
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To: District13

Boy Scouts May Have Misrepresented Catholic Position on Gay Leaders

Boy Scout leaders reportedly told both Latter-day Saint and Southern Baptist leaders that it had the support of the Catholic Church regarding its proposed policy change on gay members and leaders despite the fact that Catholic officials were still discussing the issue at the time, sources familiar with the conversations informed The Christian Post.

However, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops took that a step farther and told CP that it has offered no such support.

Before the BSA announced publicly on Jan. 28 that it was considering changing its policy on gays, BSA leaders spoke with leaders of the Catholic, LDS and Southern Baptist churches. According to a spokesperson for the USCCB, Bishop Robert Guglielmone of Charleston, the bishop liaison to the National Catholic Committee on Scouting, called Cardinal Timothy Dolan after BSA leaders spoke to him. Dolan did not express support for the change in that conversation, the source said. The USCCB had previously declined to comment about the situation.

Sources say both the Baptists and the Mormons are in contact with the Catholic church on the issue, but details on the discussions are confidential. The Mormon church has said publicly that it will not take a position until the BSA makes a final decision, but the Southern Baptists have been vocal in their opposition to the plan.

Read more at http://www.christianpost.com/news/boy-scouts-may-have-misrepresented-catholic-position-on-gay-leaders-90303/#Kr1UgFMrUTyfzjHF.99


20 posted on 05/26/2013 9:27:09 AM PDT by Rome2000 (THE WASHINGTONIANS AND UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE ARE THE ENEMY -ROTATE THE CAPITAL AMONGST THE STATES)
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To: Burkean

Chaz Bono?


21 posted on 05/26/2013 9:29:24 AM PDT by Rome2000 (THE WASHINGTONIANS AND UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE ARE THE ENEMY -ROTATE THE CAPITAL AMONGST THE STATES)
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To: Rome2000

[[despite the fact that Catholic officials were still discussing the issue at the time,]]

There shoudl have been no discussion at all- the church shoudl have realized that when a gay person takes an oath to ‘uphold the religious principles of God’ that they are LYING and therefore falsely takign an oath- period- the answer shoudl have been obvious from the start- what the heck was there to ‘discuss’?


22 posted on 05/26/2013 9:31:50 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: CottShop
I find it hard to beleive soemthign as blatant as those statements of criminal itnent woudl be incorporated itno the congressional record?

So were the Communist Goals to take over America by stealth -- in 1963. No one took it seriously. Read their plan from 50 years ago at the link and see just how totally they've accomplished most of them.

23 posted on 05/26/2013 9:31:50 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("There can be no dialogue with the prince of this world." -- Francis)
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To: Albion Wilde

thsoe are communist goals- and yes, they have accomplished them- but they were not part of our congressional record- that wass my quesion abotu hte gay manifesto- if it had becoem a part of our congressional record, then it seems to me that someoen of moral fortitude within washington woudkl have exposed it and put a stop to it


24 posted on 05/26/2013 9:34:10 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: Rome2000

Its like the mormon church has totally forgotten about the gay agenda.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3023834/posts


25 posted on 05/26/2013 9:34:19 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: CottShop
then it seems to me that someone of moral fortitude within washington would have exposed it and put a stop to it

um... you think there is anyone in Washington with moral fortitude?

26 posted on 05/26/2013 9:35:35 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: CottShop
The answer should have been obvious from the start- what the heck was there to ‘discuss’?

I think they have to confer with Rome before releasing the official position.

I assure you the Catholics will not approve of it, and all of the Catholic Packs will soon be folding up shop.

The heretic cultist followers of the shyster Joseph Smith can have it all to themselves.

27 posted on 05/26/2013 9:37:23 AM PDT by Rome2000 (THE WASHINGTONIANS AND UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE ARE THE ENEMY -ROTATE THE CAPITAL AMONGST THE STATES)
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To: CottShop

Yes the GOP is spineless on the homosexual issues.

Political correctness is a very strong force today. Due to political correctness, we are not allowed to have frank discussions about these issues, lest we be called “homophobic”.

Remember the character assassination against the Miss USA contestant a few years ago, who had the “audacity” to say that she believes marriage is a man and a woman??? People are afraid of being the next target.

I have also noticed, that talk radio seems to have dropped homosexual marriage as an issue to be discussed. It’s almost as if the word is out that we conservatives have to let go of the marriage issue, and just let homosexual marriage happen.

As far as homosexuality in the Boy Scouts, remember that liberals want to target age of consent laws. There’s a case going on now, in which an 18 year old girl has been involved sexually with a 14 year old underage girl. The liberals have been talking how unfair and unjust it is, that the 18 year old is in trouble with the law. So, I would expect that the homosexual steamroller will go after these age of consent laws, as they have gone after our marriage laws.


28 posted on 05/26/2013 9:38:24 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: manc
We have known for decades their plan and our side did nothing, but remain cowards or become sell outs to big money from big companies from the north east

I'm convinced that this nation will be the new USSR in a decade or two. The conservatives think that violence gets you nowhere. They feel that they can pray their way out of this mess. Others for the cause are just plain lazy fat cats. As long as the TV is working or my golf game doesn't get interrupted then let the next generation worry about it. Watch the outcome of all of the corruption by Bath House Barry. That again will show the country just how inept the right is.

29 posted on 05/26/2013 9:39:07 AM PDT by Digger
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To: Dilbert San Diego
So, I would expect that the homosexual steamroller will go after these age of consent laws, as they have gone after our marriage laws.

AND the libertarians will be with them.

30 posted on 05/26/2013 9:40:48 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: ReformationFan

The very first sentence says it all. We are not prisoners of our sexual desires, nor have to act on any and all desires which we may feel, nor are we defined by our sexual desires. Yes, we’re all either male or female, but, we as human beings are far more than the bodily parts and desires we have.


31 posted on 05/26/2013 9:41:25 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: GeronL

[[um... you think there is anyone in Washington with moral fortitude? ]]

Perhapsa not- but it’;s possible- (I suspect not- but it’s possible I guess- my personal feeling is that nearly everyoen in washington hjas so many skeletons i ntehri closets that they can’t make a move without beign blackmailed)

Perhaps FR should get togehter a letter that most of the readers can sign to send to peopel like Ted Cruz, and others and aks why somethign isn’t beign done abotu an obvioously illegal letter/manifesto of intent if indeed that gay manifesto is a part of our congressional record? At least we’ll then learn where Someoen liek Ted Cruz truly stands Alkso ask him and others why the DOJ is abotu to make it a crime for peopel to not embrace the gaaty lifestyle of their coworkers? Ask him what ever happened to being free to have our own opinions and religious beleifs? Ask why our religious beleifs and convictions are under such blatant attacks these days?


32 posted on 05/26/2013 9:48:50 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: District13
>>>Unless one is a Mormon; then it’s OK.

It is not OK to bully a Mormon. Unfortunately, Mormon's don't like to hear the opinion of orthodox believers and think that the calling out of the false foundation of their religion and it's false teachings...false prophets and false doctrine is bullying. It is not.

I was told...on my porch...by a pair of Mormon Elders (young teens in ties) that my faith was rotten and was an offshoot of a corrupt tree (Since I am Baptist...they say the rotten root was Catholicism). They also said (hand to God here) that I was a seed of Satan. Did they BULLY me? A Mormon would say no...yet me defending MY faith would be considered BULLYING by some here.

Now when I pointed out some very real facts about Joseph Smith (I have a photo-copy of the original book of Mormon...complete with the 4000+ corrections)...and his (And Brigham Young's) false prophecies...they probably thought I was bullying them.

So...Please. If you are going to go around and say 2000 years of Christianity is built on corrupt and false doctrine...you better be willing to put your big boy pants on when people stand up to that.

33 posted on 05/26/2013 9:50:10 AM PDT by NELSON111
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To: District13
As usual this type of article confuses individual actions against ones neighbor and resistance to an invading force. Secondly, this type of article ignores the defense of ones family and loved ones. Of course if a man strike me I must turn the other cheek. However, do I turn the other cheek when my neighbor is striking my wife and kicking my child?Thirdly, this type of article always refers us to Christ's Good Samaritan story which is true enough; i.e. we do owe some individual beaten to a pulp and left by the side of the road medical care. However, it does not follow that once the victim has recovered we must then bring him to our house, marry our daughter to him, bring in to our homeland all his relatives and fellow nationals then turn our government over to them.
34 posted on 05/26/2013 9:52:48 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: jughandle
Disturbing, but I’m still laughing at that author, Mr.(ms.?)Michael Swift.

It is really a pseudonym, taken from the author of "Gulliver's Travels."

That being the case, while it is intended as sarcasm, it is too close to the reality of the actions of men having sex with men to be laughed off. People should read the annotations to this work at the end of "The Pink Swastika" to get how close that sarcasm is to reality.

It is very close indeed and no laughing matter.

35 posted on 05/26/2013 9:55:37 AM PDT by Stepan12
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To: eclecticEel

“Young homosexual scouts have always been doing all those things.”

Then why was this change needed? I mean, if there is no difference then why the formal approval of homosexuals as Scouts? Why the need to do so?


36 posted on 05/26/2013 9:58:56 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

[[We are not prisoners of our sexual desires,]]

a lot of peopel however have bnought htel ie that they are- saw someoen on FR just the other day talkign abotu hteir daughter being gay and how they ‘cried and cried’ because they were gay and not accepted and thought the very same hting- why does this girl beleive she is bound to her sexual perversion? She has the strength within to overcoem the UNNAUTURAL desires that she gave herself over to willingly at soem point- she claims to be a CHristian, howebver, if that is true, then she already has the pwoer within to obey God, but rather she chooses NOT to obey Him and to be sdlave to her sexual desires instead-

On woman wrote that she had been alone for a logn time and was able to withstand the desire to sin- so she wasn’t buyign the fact the claim that hte girl ‘couldn’t help herself’ and it was true- we are NOT prisoners of our desires- We have the key to victory- it’s just that some peopel don’t want ot put the effort into gainign control over UNNATURAL desires (or even ‘natural desires’ i nthe case of heterosexual premarital sex, or affairs or whetever) to sin- it’s easier to just not resist than it is to obey God, and so a lot of peopel just stop stryign anymore- claiming falsely that they are just ‘born that way’

Well yeah- people ARE born in sin as sinners- however, God expects eaeveryone to obey Him regardless of what our feeligns are- and htat takes work- hard work- especially in today’s ‘anythign goes’ society, and havign our worlds saturated with sexual cues and filth all aroudn us where ever we go or whatever we watch- but it is still VERY possible to overcome- just like dieting- simply do what needs to be done- STOP EATING- stop feedign hte addiction- just liek smoking- STOP SMOKING- just stop feedign hte addiction- Yes, it’s hard- but it will NOT kill a pe4rson to quit- and in no time at all healthy lifestyle choices will becoem second nature and desireable and peopel will feel much much better abotu themselves as they will be free from their previous self-imposed self-desired bondage to sin


37 posted on 05/26/2013 10:00:40 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

OOOPS! As far as the Sodomite theme of this article as far as the Boy Scouts the battle is over the Sodomites have won. They have not won due to any intrinsic worth, that they have never had nor will they ever have; but due to our Society’s inability to effectively resist.


38 posted on 05/26/2013 10:02:10 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: ReformationFan

“Reality is Not Politically Correct”

This is an important concept and should be repeated to liberals (and some conservatives who try to hard to be “nice”) until it sinks in.

Great Title!!


39 posted on 05/26/2013 10:08:28 AM PDT by generally (Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

[[Of course if a man strike me I must turn the other cheek.]]

Mmmm- no, not so much- You are commanded by God to be the protector of your family- and you have no need to be struck over and over again without defendign yourself (I justl istened to charles stanley archive radio broadcast o nthsi very subject)

The isntruction to tur n the other cheek is one ot ‘suffer any assault that can reasonably be born, or rather reasonably be endured, FOR THE SAKE OF PEACE- however, soemtimes the attack is so aggregious and potentially harmfull that we must protect ourselves for the sake of others (more on that below)

The turn the other cheek is meant to remind us NOT to return evil for evil- our natural instinct when wronged is to ‘get them back’ and we often plot how to do so- Christ wants us instead to pray and ask God how we can be a blessing to that person- to bring an act upon them where that person has to turn to us so that we can lend them without expectign return, clothe them if they need it, etc- In regards to shall we ALWAYS turn the other cheek and not defend ourselves- the answer is NO- We are commanded by God to resist evil

Gill’s commentary puits it this way

“Not but that a man may lawfully defend himself, and endeavour to secure himself from injuries; and may appear to the civil magistrate for redress of grievances; but he is not to make use of private revenge.”

or rather- ‘I’m not sayign that a man can’t lawfully defend hismelf, and strive to keep himself from bodily injury, nor that he can’t take the other person to court...but...”

Jesus confronted the soldier who struck Him He didn’t passively shrug His hsoudlers and say “Whatever- I’m not to resist”

I see this verse of ‘turn the other cheek’ thrown in the faces of Christians all the time as though Christians are NOT to defend themselves- and it’s important that the meaning of God’s word be clearly udnerstood- I also see the verse “Judge not lest ye be judged” thrown in our faces too especially when it coems to hte gay agenda- however God DOES expect us to judge, and even commands us to test the psirits and see if they be of God or not- and the verse is NOT talkign abotu what unbeleivers woudl like to think it is speaking of- because hte verse APPEARS to suppoort their sinful agendas-

[[However, do I turn the other cheek when my neighbor is striking my wife and kicking my child?]]

No- you have a directive by God to be the protector of your family and of yourself too because you are the provider and have an obligation to them to remain capable of providign for them so you have an obligation to protect yourself agaisnt bodily harm for their sake

[[However, it does not follow that once the victim has recovered we must then bring him to our house, marry our daughter to him, bring in to our homeland all his relatives and fellow nationals then turn our government over to them.]]

Excellent point- which is exactly what our govenrment is doign in regards to muslims


40 posted on 05/26/2013 10:18:32 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: eclecticEel
[Young homosexual scouts have always been doing all those things.]

http://www.scribd.com/doc/110542554/Boys-Scouts-of-America-Floyd-David-Slusher-File

41 posted on 05/26/2013 10:21:03 AM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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To: NELSON111

[[It is not OK to bully a Mormon.]]

How abotu Jews then? Or Menonites?

Pssst- I have a feelign he was joking- it’s all good-


42 posted on 05/26/2013 10:21:04 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: ReformationFan
It is the deviants who are the bullies.
43 posted on 05/26/2013 10:21:40 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (It is the deviants who are the bullies.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

[[The liberals have been talking how unfair and unjust it is, that the 18 year old is in trouble with the law.]]

Perhaps a bank robber can talk abotu how unfair hte law is when all that money is available to them for the taking and they ‘just can’t help themselves’ when they see the money because ‘they were born that way’ with hte desire to steal money

[[So, I would expect that the homosexual steamroller will go after these age of consent laws, as they have gone after our marriage laws]]

They are already tryign it in europe where they want to lower the age of ‘consent’ to 13-

We’re quickly approachign the tiem just liek when Lot was in Soddom when the crowds demanded that he send out his guest for them to have gay sex with- pretty soon pedophiles will demand that we hand over our kids to them and apaprently ourt govenrment is pushign for this?


44 posted on 05/26/2013 10:25:57 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

[[battle is over the Sodomites have won.]]

I remember a historical account wherre they didn’t win- and lost in a big way- Let’s pray God’s word prevails today soon too


45 posted on 05/26/2013 10:27:28 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: ReformationFan

Indeed - what is the average age of a Boy-Scout? 13 years old perhaps? What need is their for such children to confront such a confusing and divisive sexual issue?

And yet our social/political left is forcing it on them anyway.


46 posted on 05/26/2013 10:30:16 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: CottShop

I agree. However, there apparently comes a point in the life of a degenerating people that The Lord abandons them. Maybe we have reached that point? Maybe we are entering into the last days where wickness will temporarily triumph?


47 posted on 05/26/2013 10:36:49 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

[[The Lord abandons them. Maybe we have reached that point? Maybe we are entering into the last days where wickness will temporarily triumph?]]

It is possible, I’ve been sayign that I think the man off lawslessness is ‘beign released’ as we’re seeign the ‘restraints ofm orality’ being assaulted and we’re witnessing one attrocity after another as the left simply ignores the law and attacks it’s own people and dares anyone to do anythign about it and noone i nwashington ereally is doign anyhting about it- seriously anyway- This is, how I imagien it, that the man of lawlessness will be able to coem to power- nooen will oppose his blatant sin and criminal acts- and thsoe that try, will be intimidated, harrassed or worse, arrested

Things are gettign worse here- for sure, but what we must remember is, thigns are and have been much much worse in other nations for a long time- we’re only realyl jjust beginnign to experience it- it could e that this lawlessness will continue for a goodl ong time before it’s finally fully released and all hell breaks loose- literally- but it’s also possible we’re coming to hte end tiems quickly- Hard to know really


48 posted on 05/26/2013 10:45:49 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: ReformationFan
And all of us can learn, by God’s grace, to master and subdue our desires

I am not a Christian so I don't know, this is an honest question. Do Christians honestly believe that homosexuality is just some sexual desire? I have never, ever, not once, not even a little, not even in my darkest deepest recesses of the depraved parts of my mind, found men or boys sexually attractive. I mean, being tempted by hot women when you're married.. that's when prayer might help. Being tempted by girls who are fully developed but not adults, also a good time to pray for guidance. But I just don't think you can pray away the desire to snooker another man.

49 posted on 05/26/2013 10:58:31 AM PDT by douginthearmy
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To: douginthearmy

Fair question. This is my answer: Biblically Orthodox Christians hold that sexual activity is limited to within the boundaries of marriage as Christ(not the government) defined the institution in Matthew 19:4-6. For those who aren’t in or can’t participate in that institution, the only option is chastity. Whether the desire to engage in homosexual activity(or bestiality or pedophilia or some other deviation from male/female marital activity) disappears in the individual’s lifetime on this earth or not is not really the issue. His or her true reward is in Heaven.

This is a good article by a celibate Christian singer entitled-”Gay Sex is Downright Dangerous and Abstinence Won’t Kill You: I Should Know”

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive//ldn/2009/mar/09031007

I particularly like this quote: “The Church talks about Natural Law and says that if something is true it will prove true in many ways. The Bible says gay sex is a problem, biology doesn’t support it, and health statistics demonstrate its problems. Why not abstain? That’s what I’m doing.”


50 posted on 05/26/2013 11:52:12 AM PDT by ReformationFan
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