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Daily Kos: Oklahoma Tornado Casualties Show That ‘Free Market Conservatism Kills’
NewsBusters ^ | May 25, 2013 | 08:36 | Tom Johnson

Posted on 05/25/2013 1:20:30 PM PDT by Olog-hai

If you were looking for righty-bashing blog posts related to the Moore, Oklahoma disaster, Daily Kos was the place to be this past Wednesday.

Ian Reifowitz argued that conservatives’ childish hostility to government regulation boosted the tornado’s death toll because neither state nor local law requires safe rooms or shelters, and that absent a mandate, such life-saving structures quite often won’t get built. Reifowitz wrote:

Free market conservatism kills? Yes, that’s right…[T]here were no rules in Moore or anywhere else in Oklahoma mandating that buildings…have so-called “safe rooms” or underground shelters to protect people during a storm…

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KEYWORDS: dailykos; exploitdisaster; liberalpropaganda; mooretornado; nannystate
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1 posted on 05/25/2013 1:20:30 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

If you don’t make people do something, it’s your fault.

They want a gov’t that tells them how to do everything and provides for them through the work of others.

Big Brother lives in the modern left.


2 posted on 05/25/2013 1:23:21 PM PDT by Bogey78O (We had a good run. Coulda been great still.)
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To: Olog-hai
[T]here were no rules in Moore or anywhere else in Oklahoma mandating that buildings…have so-called “safe rooms” or underground shelters to protect people during a storm…

Nor should there be. That should be up to the individuals and the local government. Unfortunately, like me the feds strip so much money out of them that they often have to go without the things they want or need.
3 posted on 05/25/2013 1:23:51 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Olog-hai

The Great Leap Forward shows that controlled command economics kills. See how that works, Kossack morons?


4 posted on 05/25/2013 1:25:44 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Olog-hai

The Daily KOokS .. there .. :-) Fixed it


5 posted on 05/25/2013 1:25:57 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: Olog-hai

And the Boston Bombing happened in far left Boston..so what does that prove daily kooks?


6 posted on 05/25/2013 1:28:44 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Olog-hai
It's hard to believe liberals can be so completely clueless...
7 posted on 05/25/2013 1:30:57 PM PDT by Popman (Godlessness is always the first step to the concentration camp.)
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To: Olog-hai

Liberals are full of advice after the fact when something happens, aren’t they?


8 posted on 05/25/2013 1:33:26 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Olog-hai
Actually, the country would better off if free markets were thriving so the government could not have complete power/ take the total control- take our liberties away from the people to make decisions where to live and when to purchase items or to not. Oh, silly me, those supporters of DK are progressives. It's always to them about punishing the person who has earned more because some liberal government knows the best.
9 posted on 05/25/2013 1:35:15 PM PDT by Christie at the beach
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To: Olog-hai

Obama’s America analyzes Barack Obama's call to transform our national identity. His definition of America emphasizes unity while being fully inclusive of all Americans. A country’s national identity is a living organism, and Obama hopes to redefine ours in a subtle yet fundamental way.  

10 posted on 05/25/2013 1:35:16 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Olog-hai

Well, taking the Kos argument to the logical extreme, it would be a lot cheaper to pass a Federal law mandating that no one live in Oklahoma.


11 posted on 05/25/2013 1:36:28 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: Olog-hai

Perhaps the Gov should mandate straight jackets for folks like Ian Reifowitz.


12 posted on 05/25/2013 1:36:46 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: Olog-hai
What were the hurricane preparedness regulations for homeowners in New York and New Jersey when Sandy hit?

Approved FEMA home shelters cost between $6,600 and $8,700.

From NatGeo:

FEMA estimates that the cost for a steel-reinforced 8-by-8-foot room is between $6,600 and $8,700. The agency has some rebate programs to offset these costs for homeowners.

Many local municipalities in Oklahoma have applied for federal rebate money to offset the costs of building shelters. In 2012, Oklahoma launched a program called SoonerSafe, which can give homeowners up to 75 percent of the cost of building a safe room—as much as $2,000. The money comes from the federal government and is dependent on unused FEMA funds. Last year, 16,000 people applied for the funds and 500 were awarded grants through a lottery.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/13/130523-tornado-safety-basement-protection-help-engineering/

13 posted on 05/25/2013 1:39:31 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: Olog-hai

“super storm” sandy ( a cat 1! hurricane!) showed how much NJ building codes were corrupt but nobody pisses and moans about that.

Now Verizon is saying they have no reason or requirement to build phone lines back. IOW they are screwed.


14 posted on 05/25/2013 1:39:56 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Olog-hai

Logically impossible: Oklahoma doesn’t operate as a “free-market conservative” society. It operates as a decidedly anti-free-market economy, as evidenced by the existence and operation of monopoly governments, monopoly court and judicial systems, monopoly law enforcement services and systems, a monopoly provider of legal tender where all competition is at best legally reduced to irrelevancy if not made outright illegal, compulsory taxation (you don’t get to choose your preferred provider of core services, nor do you get to choose which of those services you will purchase,) comprehensive regulation and licensing of business and professions by a monopolist of ultimate decision making who thereby has de facto control of the “private” economy to whatever degree it desires, and who uses that control to protect the rich and powerful from competition by those without sufficient capital to do business while conforming to all the regulations and licensing requirements.

So you may blame that fiercely unfree, anti-capitalist system for whatever happens or fails to happen. But you may not blame the free market, because the current system forbids its existence or operation.


15 posted on 05/25/2013 1:44:48 PM PDT by sourcery (If true=false, then there would be no constraints on what is possible. Hence, the world exists.)
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To: Olog-hai

For decades the left has criticized people who built “bunkers”. Now conservatives are to blame because not everybody has one. Go figure.


17 posted on 05/25/2013 1:47:16 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: All

Argumentative, red herring bear baiting at its best.
Conservatives always support children. Liberals oppose protecting children. Children died in government school buildings where liberals refused to provide protection. From conception through death liberals work tirelessly to reduce human life span.


18 posted on 05/25/2013 1:51:25 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (Better the devil we can destroy than the Judas we must tolerate.)
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To: Popman
It's hard to believe liberals can be so completely clueless...

What is hard to believe is that these morons actually believe their words.

For example, they willingly bring mercury vapors into their homes with the new light bulbs. And require all of us to expose ourselves to this environmental disaster in the making to save burning a little more natural gas

19 posted on 05/25/2013 1:52:02 PM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: Olog-hai

It must be a recent leftard talking point. After the fertilizer company blast in Texas, some tard was arguing that if Conservatives hadn’t blocked stronger zoning laws, less people would have been killed. Nevermind the violations by the company or the fact that zoning laws drive up the cost of housing....


20 posted on 05/25/2013 1:52:07 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: Charles Martel

Yep, you can’t win with them. Either you’re an insane prepper or you shoulda seen it coming and were cheap.


21 posted on 05/25/2013 1:53:41 PM PDT by Monty22002
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To: Olog-hai

If ALL the government did was mandate safe housing codes and common sense things (you have to have standards, and weights and measures) I would have MUCH less of a problem with it...


22 posted on 05/25/2013 1:59:51 PM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: Olog-hai

The schools were built under State and local GOVERNMENT control. If there were no safe rooms or shelters there, I’d say that’s the GOVERNMENT’S failing, not that of the free market.


23 posted on 05/25/2013 2:11:55 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: sourcery

Logically impossible: Oklahoma doesn’t operate as a “free-market conservative” society. It operates as a decidedly anti-free-market economy, as evidenced by the existence and operation of monopoly governments, monopoly court and judicial systems, monopoly law enforcement services and systems, a monopoly provider of legal tender where all competition is at best legally reduced to irrelevancy if not made outright illegal, compulsory taxation (you don’t get to choose your preferred provider of core services, nor do you get to choose which of those services you will purchase,) comprehensive regulation and licensing of business and professions by a monopolist of ultimate decision making who thereby has de facto control of the “private” economy to whatever degree it desires, and who uses that control to protect the rich and powerful from competition by those without sufficient capital to do business while conforming to all the regulations and licensing requirements.

So you may blame that fiercely unfree, anti-capitalist system for whatever happens or fails to happen. But you may not blame the free market, because the current system forbids its existence or operation.

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Bears repeating.


24 posted on 05/25/2013 2:12:11 PM PDT by headsonpikes (Mass murder and cannibalism are the twin sacraments of socialism - "Who-whom?"-Lenin)
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To: Mr. K

The actual Civil Defense programs of the 60’s, when they made Geiger counters available and so on, were *good* and relatively cheap government spending. You’d get manuals and discounted emergency kits and so on.

Long ago now.. The hardware they made though back then is still mostly usable, I have a lot of CD geigers as both collectibles and user items and they still work well after 50+ years!


25 posted on 05/25/2013 2:12:33 PM PDT by Monty22002
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To: Olog-hai
Believe it are not, there are FReepers opposed to fiscal conservatism.
26 posted on 05/25/2013 2:21:38 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: Olog-hai

“I HATE FREE MARKETS! I HATE CAPITALISM!!”

~ Sent from my iPhone


27 posted on 05/25/2013 2:24:37 PM PDT by Old Sarge (My "KMA List" is growing daily...)
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To: Olog-hai

Bomb shelters and fallout shelters were ridiculed by the Left even though they also served as civil defense shelters in storms and other times of tragedy/calamity.


28 posted on 05/25/2013 2:26:16 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: Olog-hai

Anyone still think there’s a chance of civil coexistence with such militantly clueless fascist children ?


29 posted on 05/25/2013 2:28:12 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: Olog-hai

Why is it so wrong to expect people to have some level or personal responsibility for their own wellbeing?

PS: Mother Nature Always Wins...


30 posted on 05/25/2013 2:28:41 PM PDT by EBH (The government that sits in Washington, D.C. is not the United States government.)
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To: Olog-hai

If people should be mandated to build tornado shelters in their homes, by logical extension, anybody living within ten miles of an ocean shoreline should be mandated to build their homes on stilts. That goes for all buildings, commercial or residential. Nobody should be allowed to live in an earthquake/volcano-prone area. Anybody who is a hiker, backpacker, or rock climber should be forbade from doing those activities. Too dangerous. The simple fact is if you don’t climb mountains, you can’t fall off them. There are a host of other activities and lifestyles that need banning because they’re too dangerous. It’s for your own good.


31 posted on 05/25/2013 2:38:07 PM PDT by driftless2
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To: Olog-hai

That’s also why disasters like floods and earthquakes kill far fewer people in non free market countries.

Oh wait. I’m being stupid.


32 posted on 05/25/2013 2:43:32 PM PDT by lonestar67 (I remember when unemployment was 4.7 percent)
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To: Olog-hai

“...absent a mandate, such life-saving structures quite often won’t get built...”

The insane arrogance contained in that phrase is the disease of liberalism, without doubt.

Whether I choose to build a ‘life-saving structure’ is no business of the gubmint.


33 posted on 05/25/2013 2:43:40 PM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2016; I pray we make it that long.)
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To: Olog-hai

that’s right if I live in a flood plain I am too stupid to know it floods. If I live in tornado alley I am too stupid to know that I will some day be hit by a tornado. The left wants to control everything and have zero chance of bad things happening. My suggestion is that they should all be put in a padded cell somewhere and left alone


34 posted on 05/25/2013 2:48:59 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Olog-hai
Ian Reifowitz argued that conservatives’ childish hostility to government regulation...

The left advocates for ever more government supervision.
The right advocates for less supervision - more independence.
Yet this clod calls rightists "childish" while his votes are always for more adult supervision for himself and his kind.

35 posted on 05/25/2013 2:57:33 PM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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To: Olog-hai

Ban living...It ultimately results in death for everything on Earth.


36 posted on 05/25/2013 3:02:04 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: Sarah Barracuda

The shelters in the schools, Convention Center and Superdome worked out really well for New Orleans.


37 posted on 05/25/2013 3:07:09 PM PDT by scrabblehack
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To: Olog-hai

That’s insane. There is nothing about free market conservatism that stops states and municipalities from requiring safe building codes suited to their individual locales.


38 posted on 05/25/2013 3:14:56 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("There can be no dialogue with the prince of this world." -- Francis)
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To: cripplecreek

The gubmint schools have the money, they just choose to spend it on multi million dollar stadiums, do nothing union teachers , lgbt awareness, global warming consciousness and hate Whitey classes.


39 posted on 05/25/2013 3:15:53 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: tomkat

To the person, these folks are nothing but the loudmouth in the bar. Until someone knocks the living sh*t out of them.


40 posted on 05/25/2013 3:24:54 PM PDT by qaz123
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To: Viennacon
China:..............
41 posted on 05/25/2013 3:32:00 PM PDT by 4Liberty (Some on our "Roads & Bridges" head to the beach. Others head to their offices, farms, libraries....)
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To: Olog-hai
China..
42 posted on 05/25/2013 3:33:06 PM PDT by 4Liberty (Some on our "Roads & Bridges" head to the beach. Others head to their offices, farms, libraries....)
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To: Olog-hai

I know Okies.

The Daily KOS vermin are advised to stay away from OK. It is not safe for vermin like them there. Okies know what FREEDOM is about.

OK is NOT Obozo Country.


43 posted on 05/25/2013 3:34:31 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: Olog-hai
Soviet pollution (most polluted lake on earth).
44 posted on 05/25/2013 3:39:28 PM PDT by 4Liberty (Some on our "Roads & Bridges" head to the beach. Others head to their offices, farms, libraries....)
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To: Olog-hai

Ten bucks says that that punk who runs the Daily Chaos is worth at least 5 million.


45 posted on 05/25/2013 3:39:46 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Leno Was Right,They *Are* Undocumented Democrats!)
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To: 4Liberty
I've been to China several times in the last few years...specifically,southern China (the most prosperous,and “advanced” part of the country).I've also been to LA and NYC (among other major US cities) many times in recent years.The clearest days (in terms of visibility) that I saw in Honk Kong/southern China during those trips were 50 times worse than the worst days I've seen in any part of this country or Europe (which I've also visited recently).
46 posted on 05/25/2013 3:47:08 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Leno Was Right,They *Are* Undocumented Democrats!)
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To: Olog-hai

It’s an unquestioned maxim on the Left that you’re too stupid to do anything for yourself, and must be coerced by the government Nanny State.


47 posted on 05/25/2013 4:09:50 PM PDT by Jack Hammer (American)
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To: Olog-hai

I’d rather have a free-market safe room then one built to government specifications any day.


48 posted on 05/25/2013 4:40:17 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (Rome didn't fall in a day, either.)
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To: Olog-hai

What was the political party of Govs. of Oklahoma, prior to 2010?


49 posted on 05/25/2013 4:44:10 PM PDT by rfp1234 (Arguing with a marxist is like playing Chess with a Pigeon.)
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To: rfp1234

The State run School system is not a free market! Who ever runs the School system decides what Schools have and do not have! No one had a care about a safe house for students for protection for tornados but they did have a desire for the new Turf on the Football field!
Schools are funded with tax money. Where do they find these idiots!


50 posted on 05/25/2013 4:49:23 PM PDT by Conserev1 ("Still Clinging to my Bible and my Weapon")
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