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Menendez: Immigration bill doesn’t have votes to pass Senate [Disinformation? Or Good News?]
The Hill ^ | 5/24/13 | Jonathan Easley

Posted on 05/24/2013 5:22:25 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper

Sen. Robert Menendez (D-N.J.) said Friday that the “Gang of Eight” immigration bill doesn’t have enough votes to pass the Senate.

The bill won approval from the Senate Judiciary Committee in a 13-5 vote, but Menendez said it lacks the 60 votes necessary to clear the Senate — despite the bill's four Republican co-sponsors.

“We don’t currently have 60 votes identified in the Senate,” Menendez said in an interview with Univision. “We need to add more votes on the floor. That means that the community in your state, in every state, should be contacting your state’s two U.S. Senators saying that they want comprehensive immigration reform, that they are going to judge their political future based on this vote.”

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KEYWORDS: aliens; gangof8; immigration
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Two possibilities here, as I see it:

1. Menendez is spreading lies...he is doing so at the behest of the Assclown and Dingy Harry in order to calm conservative fears...to make us "feel better" for the moment while he and his fellow thugs arm twist.

2. Menendez is speaking the TRUTH...and really wants to get people to call their Senators to pass amnesty.

Either way, we must convince the Senate (and the House, if it comes to that) to NOT pass amnesty.

1 posted on 05/24/2013 5:22:25 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

They always say this right before they pass something.


2 posted on 05/24/2013 5:24:39 PM PDT by LyinLibs (If victims of islam were more "islamophobic," maybe they'd still be alive.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Agreed. Reid can wait til July and ram it through once he changes the rules ... can’t he?


3 posted on 05/24/2013 5:28:54 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: SoFloFreeper

The longer this is jammed up in the Senate the better.


4 posted on 05/24/2013 5:33:29 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: SoFloFreeper
No something else, this is all noise.....

Obama has been spending a lot of time with Crispy Creme...

Rumors was just a month or two back, tht Lautenberg is not well and Menedez still has a 15 yr old Domenican Hooker problem that has gone away for now...

What if Obama is greasing the skids for Crispy to appoint one or two Dem's should both of these Turkeys be out of the Senate soon?

5 posted on 05/24/2013 5:37:53 PM PDT by taildragger (( Tighten the 5 point harness and brace for Impact Freepers, ya know it's coming..... ))
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To: SoFloFreeper

The traitors in Washington are determined to replace American voters with Mexicans.


6 posted on 05/24/2013 5:39:27 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: SoFloFreeper
I dutifully sent off letters to my two worthless Democrat senators asking that they immediately sponsor legislation for the benefit of Americans that's equal to the tax forgiveness clause in the Amnesty bill.

I sure could use a major refund from the gub'mnt for two of my tax bills over the last 5 years!~

So, far, no response but no reason a Republican couldn't submit that as an amendment ~ big ol'tax cut for everybody, including Bill Gates ($20 billion back perhaps?) and Warren Buffett. What's not to like!

7 posted on 05/24/2013 5:41:14 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: SoFloFreeper

Once Obama sees the scandals continuing to gain traction, I believe this Senate will invoke the nuclear option so they only need 50 votes to ram all future legislation down our throats.
They have broken the law everyday that they’ve been in power and they’re really going to pull out all the stops soon.


8 posted on 05/24/2013 5:42:41 PM PDT by JerseyDvl (Cogito Ergo Doleo Soetoro, ABO and of course FUBO!)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Its closer to #2...

As more info comes out...it will be harder to pass bill. And, there will be Dem senators in red states up for reelection....supporting $6 trillion amnesty bill will not win votes

Menendez needs Hispanics/Illegals to push for support


9 posted on 05/24/2013 5:44:35 PM PDT by SeminoleCounty (GOP - Greenlighting Obama's Programs)
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To: SoFloFreeper
Either way, we must convince the Senate (and the House, if it comes to that) to NOT pass amnesty.

The pro-amnesty bill commercials I have heard on Hannity and Rush are so intellectually and factually insulting ("Conservative plan" my backside!) I scream at the radio at every lie they utter.

But you gotta love 'em -- they (Sean/Rush) are pure Capitalists!

10 posted on 05/24/2013 5:49:40 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (To attempt to have intercourse with a hornet's nest is a very bad idea)
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11 posted on 05/24/2013 6:06:23 PM PDT by RedMDer (You are Free Republic. There are no outside influences. Just us, all of us. Please donate today!)
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To: SoFloFreeper; LyinLibs; plain talk
Exactly.

Let me paraphrase the late Mary McCarthy: every word they say is a lie, including 'and' and 'the.'"

Don't believe anything these bags of slime tell you, regardless of whether it reinforces or contradicts pre-existing assumptions you have.

12 posted on 05/24/2013 6:07:56 PM PDT by OddLane
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To: freedumb2003
Crapitalists, more like it.

You're right though. Those commercials are so cretinous it makes you wonder what sort of mouth-breathers created them.

Forget about Rubio and Ryan, we need to make the face of this bill Mark Zuckerberg.

13 posted on 05/24/2013 6:11:19 PM PDT by OddLane
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To: SoFloFreeper

Maybe I’m missing something, but they got 5 votes to get it out of committee, so add that to the 55 votes that the Dems have in the Senate (thanks to Akin) and they have their 60 votes.

That assumes the 5 Republicans stick with it...and it’s hard to believe they’ll change now, and that no Dems oppose - of which I haven’t heard a single complaint, from a single Dem.


14 posted on 05/24/2013 6:12:05 PM PDT by BobL (To us it's a game, to them it's personal - therefore they win.)
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To: taildragger

BTTT.


15 posted on 05/24/2013 6:12:05 PM PDT by OddLane
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To: freedumb2003
The pro-amnesty bill commercials I have heard on Hannity and Rush are so intellectually and factually insulting ("Conservative plan" my backside!) I scream at the radio at every lie they utter. But you gotta love 'em -- they (Sean/Rush) are pure Capitalists!

There's "pure capitalism" and then there's crony capitalism. I don't think that we're seeing pure capitalism.

16 posted on 05/24/2013 6:13:32 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: OddLane

Yep.

They always pull the “We don’t have enough votes” feint to pretend the vote isn’t rigged privately beforehand.

They don’t hold votes on a “whim.”

They’ve either brokered the deal beforehand, or they don’t hold the vote.

I’m sure there’s an exception to this rule, but it generally holds true. I’m sure in 1977 they held some vote where they weren’t 100% sure how it would turn out.

The ruse/announcement is an effort to make us think we still live in a Representative Republic, where politicians arrive to vote their values and character.

After this IRS crap, they’re not fooling anybody.


17 posted on 05/24/2013 6:15:01 PM PDT by LyinLibs (If victims of islam were more "islamophobic," maybe they'd still be alive.)
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To: SoFloFreeper


Detailed Phone Numbers for ALL Members of Congress!


18 posted on 05/24/2013 6:17:29 PM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Short on votes? No problem... That’s what bribes are for.


19 posted on 05/24/2013 6:19:25 PM PDT by ScottinVA ( Liberal is to patriotism as Kermit Gosnell is to neonatal care.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

I laugh when I hear a commercial on the radio with Rubio. He says that with this bill, those who are going through the process to become legal will not received welfare. Effing liar.

Rubio probably lost any support from me with that. I hate liars.


20 posted on 05/24/2013 6:27:20 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: freedumb2003

What about a WASP’s nest there Mr./Ms. freedumb2003???


21 posted on 05/24/2013 6:27:49 PM PDT by SierraWasp ("Bitter Ender," "Bitter Clinger," Yes on both. COUNT ME IN!!! I love God and guns, but not gays!!!)
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To: freedumb2003
The pro-amnesty bill commercials I have heard on Hannity and Rush are so intellectually and factually insulting ("Conservative plan" my backside!) I scream at the radio at every lie they utter.

Same here. Makes me want to quit talk radio. And I'm sorry I ever supported RINO Ryan. They all seem to turn on us eventually - and only pretend to be conservative to get that first date. Liars all. (Excluding those like Hunter and Tancredo, who sadly, are gone.)
22 posted on 05/24/2013 6:28:41 PM PDT by yorkiemom
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To: SierraWasp

>>What about a WASP’s nest there Mr./Ms. freedumb2003???<<

I haven’t seen such a suggestion since college... ;)


23 posted on 05/24/2013 6:32:08 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (To attempt to have intercourse with a hornet's nest is a very bad idea)
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To: yorkiemom
ame here. Makes me want to quit talk radio. And I'm sorry I ever supported RINO Ryan. They all seem to turn on us eventually

The tragic part is they seem to be yoked to the idea that if "we ere just 49% pro-amnesty we will get the Latino vote!"

Nonsense! Reagan and Bush made it clear that illegals threaten the legal immigrants and steal from the physically and MAKE legal Latinos scapegoats.

As always, failure to stand on principles loses elections.

The GOP and the RNC are dumber than dirt.

24 posted on 05/24/2013 6:36:33 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (To attempt to have intercourse with a hornet's nest is a very bad idea)
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To: SoFloFreeper
New Rasmussen Poll Shows Lack of Support for Amnesty Without Effective Enforcement First

Thursday, April 4, 2013, 2:17 PM EDT

A new poll from Rasmussen finds that likely voters overwhelmingly favor border security before legalization for 11 million illegal aliens, and 53% of respondents don't think it's likely that the federal government will actually secure the border to prevent future illegal immigration.

The poll was conducted in late-March just before Gang of Eight member, Sen. Chuck Schumer, told NBC News “first, people will be legalized…Then, we will make sure the border is secure...I think most of the American people agree with that.” Rasmussen's poll, however, found that the American people don't agree with Sen. Schumer’s statement.

Rasmussen first asked likely voters if they support a comprehensive immigration reform plan that would grant illegal aliens an amnesty if the “border would really secured to prevent future illegal immigration.” Fifty-nine percent of the respondents said they would favor such a plan.

Of those that said they would support the plan, however, they were then asked, “should those who are now in this country illegally be granted legal status right away or should that come only after the border is secured?” Sixty-four percent of those that supported the plan said the border should be secured before legal status is granted. Only 26% agreed with Sen. Schumer that illegal aliens should first be legalized and then the border secured. . .

https://www.numbersusa.com/content/news/april-4-2013/new-rasmussen-poll-shows-lack-support-amnesty-without-effective-enforcement-first.

25 posted on 05/24/2013 6:47:49 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

This bill is starting to lose a little gas....not much, but some cracks are starting to show. This bill in its current form is DOA in the house. The house committee it has to pass through has some real conservatives on it. This same bill died in 2007 with a republican president & house.

So....not all is lost, quite yet.


26 posted on 05/24/2013 6:57:43 PM PDT by LongWayHome
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To: LongWayHome
This bill is starting to lose a little gas....not much, but some cracks are starting to show.

The bill that passed the Committee is not the bill that Rubio and Ryan are championing in the radio ads. One wonders, then, why they are still lending their good names to what amounts to a Democrat scam...???

27 posted on 05/24/2013 7:14:55 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE --)
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To: okie01

I can’t figure out Ryan, but I suspect Rubio is something of a dunce....a useful idiot & is in over his head.


28 posted on 05/24/2013 7:20:50 PM PDT by LongWayHome
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To: SoFloFreeper

Rubio was BSing on Hannity tonight saying the bill must be fixed so he is implying that he doesn’t support it now, yet.

So its probably true for now. More gamesmanship to come.

Yes Rubio was BSing up a storm,


29 posted on 05/24/2013 7:31:38 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: BobL

If 55 Dems vote for it, Obama is impeached in 2015. The rats would lose the senate and republicans would keep the house.

This is a throwaway, designed to put the Republicans in a bad position for 2014. Bill is going nowhere.


30 posted on 05/24/2013 8:03:15 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (The reason we own guns is to protect ourselves from those wanting to take our guns from us.)
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31 posted on 05/24/2013 8:09:01 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: freedumb2003
As always, failure to stand on principles loses elections.

Yup. When they run as RINOS, the base stays home. So they not only don't get the votes they are pandering for - because you can't out pander all the free handouts the liberals are offering - but they lose the votes they were taking for granted. And the next time around - we trust them even less.
32 posted on 05/24/2013 8:14:13 PM PDT by yorkiemom
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To: LongWayHome
I suspect Rubio is something of a dunce....a useful idiot & is in over his head.

Schumer took him to school, that's for sure.

Let's see if he learns anything from the experience -- as in "Democrats are not your friend".

33 posted on 05/24/2013 8:23:47 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE --)
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To: BobL

Couple of points...

Not every committee yes vote is a guaranteed yes on the floor. Excuses are often made for “voting it out of committee” such as, we’ll be able to offer amendments on the floor that might pass there which we couldn’t pass in committee, or, this deserves to be taken up on the floor at the very least, whether we vote for it on final passage or not, etc etc.

I’m not defending that approach, but lots of times a senator will vote something out of committee and ultimately vote no. A couple examples: Olympia Snowe voted obamacare out of committee. On final passage she voted against it. Kelly Ayotte voted gun control out of committee but no on final passage.

Second point, political analysts seem to think that not every senate Democrat is predisposed to vote for the bill. If that’s true, they would likely be red state moderate Dems or at least pretending to be moderate.

Summing up, adding together RINO committee votes plus all 55 senate Dems will get 60, but politics doesn’t necessarily add up that way.


34 posted on 05/24/2013 8:36:46 PM PDT by txrangerette ("...hold to the truth; speak without fear..."(Glenn Beck))
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To: plain talk

Boehner has already said the bill, as is, will not pass the House.

The House has its own gang working on a bill so that’s not automatically good news, however...

Lets just say for arguments sake that Boehner didn’t say that or didn’t mean that when he said it...

Boehner way back when vowed that the House would never consider a Senate bill, no matter what it was, if Reid goes nuclear in a rule change to fundamentally alter the Senate’s deliberate process.

IOW, if Senate Republicans are steamrollered by Reid, Boehner will treat any such bill as poisoned and it’s DOA.

I know Boehner is hated and I know what his deficiencies are. However, there’s no doubt whatsoever that he means that. Reid would leave him no choice but to stick up for the Senate GOP.

Same goes for rank-and-file GOP in the House. They would not stand for Reid doing this nor would they stand for Boehner cowtowing to Reid.


35 posted on 05/24/2013 8:47:36 PM PDT by txrangerette ("...hold to the truth; speak without fear..."(Glenn Beck))
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To: taildragger

Both current NJ Senators would vote for the bill. If your scenario happened and Cristie appointed new Dems to replace the current ones, that wouldn’t change any votes.


36 posted on 05/24/2013 8:49:35 PM PDT by txrangerette ("...hold to the truth; speak without fear..."(Glenn Beck))
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To: SoFloFreeper
OH NOOOOOEZ
37 posted on 05/24/2013 8:58:34 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: okie01

I think Rubio has ruined his standing with the conservative base. I don’t see him coming back from that.


38 posted on 05/24/2013 9:03:22 PM PDT by LongWayHome
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To: txrangerette

I agree. The bill is dead if Reid changes the senate rules. The house will not even look at the bill.


39 posted on 05/24/2013 9:05:31 PM PDT by LongWayHome
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To: okie01

BS. Rubio has always been an amnesty supporter. The idea that he is a fool or naive is ridiculous. He has political ambitions and believes that being an amnesty supporter in FL will advance his political career.


40 posted on 05/24/2013 9:07:29 PM PDT by kabar
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To: LongWayHome

Boehner has said the Senate bill is DOA in the House, which is working on its own bill. The real question is why the urgency on an immigration bill that can only help the Dems and Obama no matter whether it passes or not.


41 posted on 05/24/2013 9:09:42 PM PDT by kabar
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To: LyinLibs

“They always say this right before they pass something.”

And sometimes they even actually have the vote and lose, but then slam it through a short time later.


42 posted on 05/24/2013 9:14:55 PM PDT by Luke21
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To: kabar

The GOP is the stupid party....so nothing should surprise us.


43 posted on 05/24/2013 9:16:53 PM PDT by LongWayHome
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To: kabar
The real question is why the urgency on an immigration bill that can only help the Dems and Obama no matter whether it passes or not.

They are scared sh**less that somebody is going to call them racists?

They are reading leftist articles that say the GOP needs amnesty more then the Dems do?

44 posted on 05/24/2013 10:28:54 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: txrangerette
Both current NJ Senators would vote for the bill. If your scenario happened and Cristie appointed new Dems to replace the current ones, that wouldn’t change any votes.

Exactly why Obie is kissing Crispy's behind, to make sure it does happen that way....

45 posted on 05/25/2013 4:31:17 AM PDT by taildragger (( Tighten the 5 point harness and brace for Impact Freepers, ya know it's coming..... ))
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To: freedumb2003

About those commercials, I scream at the radio “What are you going to do to the illegals if they DON’T go through all your hoops? Deport them?”


46 posted on 05/25/2013 4:40:41 AM PDT by LS ('Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually.' Hendrix)
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To: BenLurkin

“The traitors in Washington are determined to replace American voters with Mexicans.”

Absolutely, just as the traitors in the corner offices have replaced American workers with Latinos and Asians. It is bizarre to watch this unfold.


47 posted on 05/25/2013 4:58:22 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: txrangerette

“Summing up, adding together RINO committee votes plus all 55 senate Dems will get 60, but politics doesn’t necessarily add up that way.”

Agree...and good examples. But I haven’t yet seen the articles on wavering Dems, as I did with gun control. I think they’ll be more in line, because if they can get Amnesty through, they won’t even have to bother to run campaigns anymore to get re-elected, and they must know that.


48 posted on 05/25/2013 5:00:57 AM PDT by BobL (To us it's a game, to them it's personal - therefore they win.)
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To: freedumb2003

I usually listen to Rush on RushLimbaugh.com and there is no such commercials.

When I drive, I plug my Android phone into my car stereo, and listen to IHeartRadio on a variety of conservative stations around the country that broadcast Rush. Every station has DIFFERENT commercials.

I can’t speak for Hannity, as I do not listen to him.

Still, Rush does NOT pick all the commercials being broadcast, just the ones that actually sponsor his show (and he does voice endorsements for). The Stations themselves pick the commercials. I suspect Rubio’s PAC is sending big money to broadcast these. Still, it is NOT Rush doing so.


49 posted on 05/25/2013 5:31:30 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: SoFloFreeper

The selling out of an entire nation to a foreign entity. Amazing. Can’t say I recall wanting to raise a white flag.


50 posted on 05/25/2013 6:30:51 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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