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Senate passes internet sales tax bill amid opposition from conservatives
The Guardian ^ | Monday, May 6, 2013 | Dominic Rushe

Posted on 05/06/2013 4:31:33 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA

The US Senate on Monday passed a bill aimed at ending tax-free shopping on the internet but the move looks set to face fierce opposition before it becomes law.

The Marketplace Fairness Act, which has cross-party supporter and the backing of powerful retailers, would give states the power to require retailers with sales over $1m to collect state and local sales taxes for online purchases.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 113th; ammobuyerslist; federalism; firearmsbuyerslist; gunlist4feds; internet; internetsalestax; internettax; marketplacefairness; nationalsalestax; online; salestax; tax; taxes; taxincrease; vattax
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Very interesting bill. I hate taxes. I love pure competition. Government seems to get in the way of both all the time.
1 posted on 05/06/2013 4:31:33 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA
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To: ConservativeInPA

Has the House already issued a similar bill?


2 posted on 05/06/2013 4:32:42 PM PDT by struggle
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To: ConservativeInPA

Does this bill go to Congress now? Shame on supposed conservatives for voting to raise taxes—pukes...


3 posted on 05/06/2013 4:33:21 PM PDT by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: ConservativeInPA

“The Marketplace Fairness Act”

“The Marketplace Fairness Act”

THEY NEED TO STOP GIVING NAMES TO THE G_D D_MMNED BILLS BECAUSE THEY ARE USING EMOTIONAL MANIPULATION ON THEM.


4 posted on 05/06/2013 4:34:24 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: ConservativeInPA

Bet it dies in the House.


5 posted on 05/06/2013 4:34:26 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: ConservativeInPA

Give me names. Anybody that passes more taxes in a recession should pay with their job.


6 posted on 05/06/2013 4:35:01 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: ConservativeInPA
All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.

If only words had meaning.

7 posted on 05/06/2013 4:35:09 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: struggle

Has the House introduced the Internet Unfairness Bill?


8 posted on 05/06/2013 4:35:39 PM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs stay silent.)
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To: ConservativeInPA

No quarter.....vote all the YEAs out.

I don’t care if you love them...this a step too far.


9 posted on 05/06/2013 4:36:02 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: ConservativeInPA
Hope Republicans in the House stop this

no more taxes

no more government (when is enough enough?)

no more laws

we need to repeal the 1965 immigration ACT

repeal Obamacare

and keep repealing laws

10 posted on 05/06/2013 4:36:02 PM PDT by Democrat_media (D's & Mary Landrieu voted 4 UN to take away our 2nd amendment rights)
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To: ConservativeInPA

If passed this bill would require sellers to be aware of the separate taxing rates in more than 8000 locations around the country. Can you say STOOPID LAW?


11 posted on 05/06/2013 4:36:16 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: GraceG
“The Marketplace Fairness Act”

Sounds like something straight out of Atlas Shrugged.

12 posted on 05/06/2013 4:37:02 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe - Shall not be questioned)
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To: Don Corleone

That it got one Republican vote flabbergasts me.


13 posted on 05/06/2013 4:37:32 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: GraceG

Straight out of Atlas Shrugged....


14 posted on 05/06/2013 4:37:56 PM PDT by penelopesire (TIME FOR OBAMA TO ANSWER FOR BENGHAZI UNDER OATH!!)
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To: ConservativeInPA
The legislation would overturn a 1992 supreme court ruling that said a state could not force a retailer to collect sales tax unless the retailer had a physical presence in the state.

Does a law passed by Congress trump the Supreme Court?

15 posted on 05/06/2013 4:38:06 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: SandRat
Bet it dies in the House.

I sure hope so, but don't bet on it.

There is a lot of pressure on both Dems and Republicans from brick and mortar stores to force online outfits to charge sales tax. And of course local and state governments are greedy for the money.

16 posted on 05/06/2013 4:38:31 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: ConservativeInPA

Name of the bill is a lie. a brick and mortar business can sell online and many do. Taxing the internet will hurt brick and mortar businesses also. It hurts the American taxpayer by taking away more of their descretionary spending. Thus it hurts ALL business.


17 posted on 05/06/2013 4:38:33 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: Don Corleone

what law is a good law. we had enough government in the 1800’s and didn’t need to add the thousands of laws in the 1900’s

we need to go back to 1900


18 posted on 05/06/2013 4:39:03 PM PDT by Democrat_media (D's & Mary Landrieu voted 4 UN to take away our 2nd amendment rights)
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To: ConservativeInPA

Boehner and the House had better shoot this down!


19 posted on 05/06/2013 4:39:53 PM PDT by jazusamo ("Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent." -- Adam Smith)
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To: BipolarBob
Give me names. Anybody that passes more taxes in a recession should pay with their job.

Votes are not published on the www-thingy yet. I will keep pressing refresh. They should be out within the next hour.

20 posted on 05/06/2013 4:40:45 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe - Shall not be questioned)
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To: plain talk

Just gives government more power as most laws do.And that’s not good because we have too many laws and too much government that these laws mandate


21 posted on 05/06/2013 4:40:51 PM PDT by Democrat_media (D's & Mary Landrieu voted 4 UN to take away our 2nd amendment rights)
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To: Don Corleone
If passed this bill would require sellers to be aware of the separate taxing rates in more than 8000 locations around the country.

9,646............

Can you say STOOPID LAW?

Yes, I can!

22 posted on 05/06/2013 4:41:22 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: ConservativeInPA

I wonder if this would apply to third party sellers on the big online shopping sites.


23 posted on 05/06/2013 4:43:04 PM PDT by Tarheel25
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To: ConservativeInPA
Article 1 Section 7

"All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives;"

Has this already passed the House, or are we just disregarding The Constitution when it is convenient?

24 posted on 05/06/2013 4:43:28 PM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (It's not "GUN CONTROL"! It's "PEOPLE CONTROL"!)
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To: GraceG

The MF Act, for short...


25 posted on 05/06/2013 4:44:19 PM PDT by mikrofon (Another ...)
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To: Longbow1969
There is a lot of pressure on both Dems and Republicans from brick and mortar stores to force online outfits to charge sales tax.

But the online outfits in their states already do. Do the brick and mortar stores charge the sales taxes of the jurisdiction where all of their customers shop?

And of course local and state governments are greedy for the money.

Nearly every state with a sales tax has a mechanism by which they can collect sales tax on out of state purchases made by their residents.

26 posted on 05/06/2013 4:45:01 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: jazusamo

Hoping it goes nowhere in the house, but it makes one wonder, if its going nowhere in the house, why would a single senate R vote for it? Fix in?


27 posted on 05/06/2013 4:45:39 PM PDT by Magnum44 (I have had just about enough)
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To: Gabz

I’m against this internet sales tax crap, I’m just saying there are a lot of supposed conservatives that are for it.


28 posted on 05/06/2013 4:47:06 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: ConservativeInPA
The yeas and nays:

Alexander (R-TN), Yea
Ayotte (R-NH), Nay
Baldwin (D-WI), Yea
Barrasso (R-WY), Nay
Baucus (D-MT), Nay
Begich (D-AK), Not Voting
Bennet (D-CO), Yea
Blumenthal (D-CT), Yea
Blunt (R-MO), Yea
Boozman (R-AR), Yea
Boxer (D-CA), Yea
Brown (D-OH), Yea
Burr (R-NC), Yea
Cantwell (D-WA), Yea
Cardin (D-MD), Yea
Carper (D-DE), Yea
Casey (D-PA), Yea
Chambliss (R-GA), Yea
Coats (R-IN), Yea
Coburn (R-OK), Nay
Cochran (R-MS), Yea
Collins (R-ME), Yea
Coons (D-DE), Yea
Corker (R-TN), Yea
Cornyn (R-TX), Not Voting
Cowan (D-MA), Yea
Crapo (R-ID), Nay
Cruz (R-TX), Nay
Donnelly (D-IN), Yea
Durbin (D-IL), Yea
Enzi (R-WY), Yea
Feinstein (D-CA), Yea
Fischer (R-NE), Yea
Flake (R-AZ), Nay
Franken (D-MN), Yea
Gillibrand (D-NY), Yea
Graham (R-SC), Yea
Grassley (R-IA), Nay
Hagan (D-NC), Yea
Harkin (D-IA), Yea
Hatch (R-UT), Nay
Heinrich (D-NM), Yea
Heitkamp (D-ND), Yea
Heller (R-NV), Nay
Hirono (D-HI), Yea
Hoeven (R-ND), Yea
Inhofe (R-OK), Nay
Isakson (R-GA), Yea
Johanns (R-NE), Yea
Johnson (D-SD), Yea
Johnson (R-WI), Nay
Kaine (D-VA), Yea
King (I-ME), Yea
Kirk (R-IL), Nay
Klobuchar (D-MN), Yea
Landrieu (D-LA), Yea
Lautenberg (D-NJ), Not Voting
Leahy (D-VT), Yea
Lee (R-UT), Nay
Levin (D-MI), Yea
Manchin (D-WV), Yea
McCain (R-AZ), Yea
McCaskill (D-MO), Yea
McConnell (R-KY), Nay
Menendez (D-NJ), Yea
Merkley (D-OR), Nay
Mikulski (D-MD), Yea
Moran (R-KS), Not Voting
Murkowski (R-AK), Nay
Murphy (D-CT), Yea
Murray (D-WA), Yea
Nelson (D-FL), Yea
Paul (R-KY), Nay
Portman (R-OH), Yea
Pryor (D-AR), Yea
Reed (D-RI), Yea
Reid (D-NV), Yea
Risch (R-ID), Nay
Roberts (R-KS), Nay
Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea
Rubio (R-FL), Nay
Sanders (I-VT), Yea
Schatz (D-HI), Yea
Schumer (D-NY), Yea
Scott (R-SC), Nay
Sessions (R-AL), Yea
Shaheen (D-NH), Nay
Shelby (R-AL), Yea
Stabenow (D-MI), Yea
Tester (D-MT), Nay
Thune (R-SD), Yea
Toomey (R-PA), Nay
Udall (D-CO), Yea
Udall (D-NM), Yea
Vitter (R-LA), Nay
Warner (D-VA), Yea
Warren (D-MA), Yea
Whitehouse (D-RI), Yea
Wicker (R-MS), Yea
Wyden (D-OR), Nay

29 posted on 05/06/2013 4:50:04 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe - Shall not be questioned)
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To: ConservativeInPA
McCain voted for it, Flake voted "present." Those MFCS's. My Senators F***ed me again. The first National Sales Tax and the camel's nose is well inside the tent. And the two Republicans from Arizona voted for it. It ain't Barry Goldwater's state anymore.

Link.

30 posted on 05/06/2013 4:50:18 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: ConservativeInPA

How can this be constitutional when long ago mail order sales across state lines were ruled exempt under the Commerce Clause?

The only difference between mail order sales and internet sales is the method of merchant contact by the buyer, mail order is by mail or phone and internet is by internet or phone.

The delivery method is the same.


31 posted on 05/06/2013 4:50:28 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: Don Corleone; All
“If passed this bill would require sellers to be aware of the separate taxing rates in more than 8000 locations around the country. Can you say STOOPID LAW?”

that adds more regulatory burden on businesses and creates more government departments to oversee all that . Almost all laws/bills do this. government is the problem. democrats : their main goal is to increase government power which leads to a decrease in individual rights and freedom and a less efficient economy.

32 posted on 05/06/2013 4:51:53 PM PDT by Democrat_media (D's & Mary Landrieu voted 4 UN to take away our 2nd amendment rights)
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To: ConservativeInPA

They just can’t leave capitalism alone, got to
smother it any way they can.


33 posted on 05/06/2013 4:51:54 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: ConservativeInPA

The youngsters in Ohio whom Obama told to “reject voices warning of government tyranny” should just LOVE this.


34 posted on 05/06/2013 4:52:09 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: ConservativeInPA

That count is incorrect. Flake (AZ) did not vote. “Present,” just like Obastard would have.


35 posted on 05/06/2013 4:52:11 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: Democrat_media
what law is a good law. we had enough government in the 1800’s and didn’t need to add the thousands of laws in the 1900’s
we need to go back to 1900

Too many laws, most not needed. If we had a law against stupid people, or naive people, we could do away with most laws. Instead, we have stupid naive people creating more laws. And we have stupid naive people voting in stupid naive legislators who make more stupid laws.

36 posted on 05/06/2013 4:55:00 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: dalereed

I think it’s because the USPS doesn’t get their piece of the action on the internet. Someone might ship by UPS or FedEx rather than the post office, and we can’t have that.


37 posted on 05/06/2013 4:55:31 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: Magnum44; All
Don't know if a fix is in or not but Sen. Ted Cruz spoke against it vehemently. God bless him!

Sen. Ted Cruz slams Internet sales tax bill

38 posted on 05/06/2013 4:55:55 PM PDT by jazusamo ("Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent." -- Adam Smith)
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To: GraceG

Agree, these pukes have no scruples when using emotional names for new tax bills. The Sheeple are easily swayed and placated when you sugar coat a shit sandwich.


39 posted on 05/06/2013 4:57:18 PM PDT by Bravo six (Bravo six)
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To: Cyber Liberty

Eliminate the USPS and problem solved!

At least cut them to one delivery a week.


40 posted on 05/06/2013 4:57:21 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: GraceG

>> THEY ARE USING EMOTIONAL MANIPULATION ON THEM.

Indeed.


41 posted on 05/06/2013 4:57:36 PM PDT by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: ConservativeInPA

H.R. 684: The Marketplace Fairness Act. This is the House version of the Tax bill.

Log on to POPVOX and tell your Rep how you want them to vote on this issue.

https://www.popvox.com/home


42 posted on 05/06/2013 4:58:02 PM PDT by EXCH54FE (Hurricane 416,Feisty Old Vet !!)
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To: ConservativeInPA

The demokrats and their RINO lackeys are determined to sink this economy.


43 posted on 05/06/2013 4:58:51 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: GraceG

The more innocuous the name, the more dangerous the bill.


44 posted on 05/06/2013 5:01:53 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: SandRat

Depends if Bohener is on the more tax side. If he is against it, he will never allow a vote on it. If he is for it, there are enough RINOs who will side with the Rats to pass it.


45 posted on 05/06/2013 5:04:30 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: ConservativeInPA
Traitors RINOs:

Alexander (R-TN), Yea
Blunt (R-MO), Yea
Boozman (R-AR), Yea
Burr (R-NC), Yea
Chambliss (R-GA), Yea
Coats (R-IN), Yea
Cochran (R-MS), Yea
Collins (R-ME), Yea
Corker (R-TN), Yea
Enzi (R-WY), Yea
Fischer (R-NE), Yea
Graham (R-SC), Yea
Hoeven (R-ND), Yea
Johanns (R-NE), Yea
McCain (R-AZ), Yea
Portman (R-OH), Yea
Sessions (R-AL), Yea
Shelby (R-AL), Yea
Thune (R-SD), Yea
Wicker (R-MS), Yea

46 posted on 05/06/2013 5:05:01 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe - Shall not be questioned)
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To: ConservativeInPA

Wicker of MS is voting like his cousin Fred Thompson would have had Fred still been in the Senate.


47 posted on 05/06/2013 5:08:15 PM PDT by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: dalereed
At least cut them to one delivery a week.

I have no problem with that. But, given their desire to be a pain in the ass, I expect that one delivery a week to be Saturday.

48 posted on 05/06/2013 5:09:15 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: Cyber Liberty

Barry Goldwater had moved far to the left by 1974; he was no longer the 1964 model for most of his later career. People in AZ just never knew.


49 posted on 05/06/2013 5:10:13 PM PDT by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: y'all

Here is the actual roll call. . .

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=113&session=1&vote=00113


50 posted on 05/06/2013 5:10:17 PM PDT by deks ("...the battle...liberty against the overreach of the federal government" Ken Cuccinelli)
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