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Should Conservatives Seek an End to Immigration, in Order to Save the Republican Party?

Posted on 04/16/2013 10:52:43 AM PDT by pinochet

The key to giving Republicans a fighting chance to win the presidency, is to end immigration to America, which will permit the immigrants who are already in America to assimilate to American values. Asian voters supported Obama with higher percentages than Hispanics. Asians gave Obama 73 percent of their vote, while Hispanics gave Obama 71 percent of their vote. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-11-08/asian-voters-send-a-message-to-republicans.html

I agree with Ann Coulter. More immigration will kill the Republican Party, and by extension, destroy American values and the American identity. The insane people at the Republican national committee, think that they can strengthen the Republican Party by importing more Democratic Party voters.


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In case you want to know how much of the Muslim-American vote that Obama received, he got 85 percent. http://nation.foxnews.com/muslim-american-votes/2012/11/09/poll-85-american-muslims-voted-obama

More immigration will lead to Republicans losing control of Congress and the Governors' offices, in addition to making it even harder for Republicans to win the Presidency.

1 posted on 04/16/2013 10:52:43 AM PDT by pinochet
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To: pinochet

Yes.


2 posted on 04/16/2013 10:55:58 AM PDT by MeganC (You can take my gun when you can grab it with your cold, dead fingers.)
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To: pinochet

My filipina wife and all the filipina’s we know (5 .. I know, not a lot) .. can’t stand that naygro (phonetic pronunciation), so I wonder .. what is “Asian” in this report ?


3 posted on 04/16/2013 10:56:35 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: pinochet

“However, if there is one man who can take the most credit for the 1965 act, it is John F. Kennedy. Kennedy seems to have inherited the resentment his father Joseph felt as an outsider in Boston’s WASP aristocracy. He voted against the McCarran-Walter Act of 1952, and supported various refugee acts throughout the 1950s. In 1958 he wrote a book, A Nation of Immigrants, which attacked the quota system as illogical and without purpose, and the book served as Kennedy’s blueprint for immigration reform after he became president in 1960. In the summer of 1963, Kennedy sent Congress a proposal calling for the elimination of the national origins quota system. He wanted immigrants admitted on the basis of family reunification and needed skills, without regard to national origin. After his assassination in November, his brother Robert took up the cause of immigration reform, calling it JFK’s legacy. In the forward to a revised edition of A Nation of Immigrants, issued in 1964 to gain support for the new law, he wrote, “I know of no cause which President Kennedy championed more warmly than the improvement of our immigration policies.” Sold as a memorial to JFK, there was very little opposition to what became known as the Immigration Act of 1965.”


4 posted on 04/16/2013 10:57:52 AM PDT by ansel12 (The lefts most effective position-I'm libertarian on social issues, but conservative on economics.)
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To: pinochet
No. Conservatives should welcome legal immigration.
5 posted on 04/16/2013 10:58:10 AM PDT by Yo-Yo
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To: pinochet

Here is an immutable, irrevocable fact: “Normalized” illegal aliens (Marco’s distant cousins) WILL NOT vote for Republicans of any flavor - the reason is that Democrats are even willing to sell you, your momma, your wife, children AND grandchildren down the river just like old Jim in Twain’s Huckleberry Finn solely for their vote.

DEMOCRATS WILL ALWAYS promise more entitlements than Republicans....always.


6 posted on 04/16/2013 10:59:00 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: pinochet

> The insane people at the Republican national committee, think that they can
> strengthen the Republican Party by importing more Democratic Party voters.

An option is to import Republican Party voters (from which countries?).


7 posted on 04/16/2013 10:59:05 AM PDT by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: pinochet

Why not? The democrats are pushing legal and illegal immigration for exactly that reason.


8 posted on 04/16/2013 10:59:12 AM PDT by Andrei Bulba (No Obama, no way!)
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To: pinochet

There are too many foreigners here as it is. Send them all back. Punish them all for the violations of immigration and tell them police themselves or no one comes back. It’s like a military squad leader punishing everyone because one person screwed up and the squad didn’t apply the proper peer pressure to prevent the infraction.


9 posted on 04/16/2013 10:59:32 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: pinochet

If they don’t want to be out voted.


10 posted on 04/16/2013 11:00:41 AM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: pinochet
Voter ID, one LEGAL vote per person, and we'd never have to lose another election. This is why the libs would fight to their death to stop a legal election from happening.

Who would object to an honest election? Once "the poor" get their obomacare cards, they'll all have an ID they could use. They'd crawl over broken glass to get their hands on one of those cards.

11 posted on 04/16/2013 11:02:26 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: MeganC

yes, but it will never happen because we would need super majorities in the congress and the presidency to pass such a thing.


12 posted on 04/16/2013 11:02:31 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: Yo-Yo

>>>No. Conservatives should welcome legal immigration.>>>

AGREED

The “Illegal Democrats” who are already here will vote for MORE illegal immigrants. The legal ones will vote Republican.


13 posted on 04/16/2013 11:02:47 AM PDT by kitkat (STORM THE HEAVENS WITH PRAYERS FOR OUR COUNTRY)
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To: pinochet

They should stop all immigration until we’ve got secure borders. How many bombings do we need before we realize it’s a dangerous world?


14 posted on 04/16/2013 11:02:59 AM PDT by GOPJ (New AP term for Illegal Aliens IS Undocumented Democrats.... Jay Leno)
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To: pinochet
The fact that you have purposely neglect to acknowledge the difference between legal and illegal immigration requires that I peg you as a Democrat Underground troll.

Go back to DU, troll.

15 posted on 04/16/2013 11:05:05 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Deficit spending is simply a scheme for the confiscation of wealth." --Alan Greenspan)
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To: pinochet
No,not in order to save the Republican Party.We must stop immigration...ALL IMMIGRATION...in order to save THE NATION!

The ban,perhaps,should be temporary and when immigration is resumed a detailed plan should allow only foreigners with exceptional skills...skills desperately needed here...to enter and those people must be from English speaking countries (Canada/UK/Australia/Ireland...and *maybe* India).

16 posted on 04/16/2013 11:06:32 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Leno Was Right,They *Are* Undocumented Democrats!)
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To: Yo-Yo

No we shouldn’t, America needs a 50 year breather from being colonized by the loser nations of the world.


17 posted on 04/16/2013 11:06:36 AM PDT by ansel12 (The lefts most effective position-I'm libertarian on social issues, but conservative on economics.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
yes, but it will never happen because we would need super majorities in the congress and the presidency to pass such a thing.

Agreed. The topic of this thread is just a fantasy.

18 posted on 04/16/2013 11:06:40 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: pinochet
Should Conservatives Seek an End to Immigration, in Order to Save the Republican Party?

The Republican Party has emerged as its own worst enemy and, IMO, is beyond and not worth saving.

Conservatives should start looking elsewhere for another political party we can support; one that supports and stands behind the Constitution as the Founding Fathers intended.

19 posted on 04/16/2013 11:07:58 AM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for anti-American criminals!!)
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To: CodeToad
There are too many foreigners here as it is. Send them all back.

Just enforce the immigration laws we have on the books already. No sanctuary cities. No American jobs. No welfare. They'd all go home by themselves.

We don't need amnesty. We need to enforce our laws. If some laws can simply be ignored because someone somewhere doesn't like them, why not ignore ALL the laws? I'm sure there are a lot of laws we on the right don't like, so should we just ignore them, too?

20 posted on 04/16/2013 11:08:00 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: pinochet

End to immigration? NO.

End to ILLEGAL immigration? ABSOLUTELY.


21 posted on 04/16/2013 11:08:41 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: pinochet

“....in Order to Save the Republican Party?”

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It’s not the GOP that we should be concerned about — it is the country’s future that needs saving.

And so far, the PUBS are not being of much help.


22 posted on 04/16/2013 11:09:54 AM PDT by 353FMG ( I do not indicate whether I am serious or sarcastic -- I respect FReepers too much.)
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To: Yo-Yo
No. Conservatives should welcome legal immigration.

Add legal immigration 'that is a net economic asset to the country' and I'm on board.

23 posted on 04/16/2013 11:10:37 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Yo-Yo
No. Conservatives should welcome legal immigration.

Disagree, we have had enough of all forms of immigration to last us 100 years. Time for whats here to assimilate. A

24 posted on 04/16/2013 11:14:28 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: pinochet

Immigration policy should serve the interests of citizens.

The policy makers who determine the quotas, the numbers per source country and the total numbers to be allowed in, should have to explain and defend where and how they derive the numbers, and how those numbers serve the interest of American citizens, and why that number is the optimum number.

That is something they have never done and they will never willingly do. Immigration policy is usually done behind closed doors and with no public input.


25 posted on 04/16/2013 11:14:44 AM PDT by marron
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To: Yo-Yo

And the first and foremost question asked to any prospective immigrant: “What do you have to offer that we are in need of in this country?”

The intention to get into a welfare line upon arrival is definitely not enough reason to let the immigrant in.


26 posted on 04/16/2013 11:15:01 AM PDT by 353FMG ( I do not indicate whether I am serious or sarcastic -- I respect FReepers too much.)
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To: pinochet

You want to save the parties period. Get rid of the people currently there.


27 posted on 04/16/2013 11:18:42 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: 353FMG
It’s not the GOP that we should be concerned about — it is the country’s future that needs saving.

Our elections are a farce. Even the UN observers in 2008 couldn't believe we had no voter ID. The democrats and illegals vote all they want, and there's nothing to stop them. Without voter ID, our elections are invalid.

It takes a lot of good, American people to come out in order to outnumber the illegal votes. Every now and then it happens, but the corruption on the left is getting more embolden by the day.

Until the American people stand up and demand voter ID in great numbers, the country is going to continue to spiral down into the left wings vortex of stench.

28 posted on 04/16/2013 11:19:14 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: pinochet

Well what it would take for the GOP to recover immigrant votes would be two things. 1] good economy create republicans so create good economy. 2] Time, how much depends on success at #1, the quicker the better but right now GOP recovery is in the tank. But other immigrant groups have been absorbed into the GOP as their money pile increased over time. Talking ‘constitution’ all day long won’t help when people vote their pocket book.


29 posted on 04/16/2013 11:21:29 AM PDT by ex-snook (God is Love)
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To: pinochet

I don’t know how we could achieve it. Add up all the Dems plus the RINO squishes looking to curry favor with Hispanics, and at least 80% of the Congress appears to be pro-open borders.


30 posted on 04/16/2013 11:22:31 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: pinochet

I’m not worried about immigration killing the GOP, the idiots now running it are doing a bang up job on their own. I’m worried about immigration killing the country as we know it from it’s founding principles.


31 posted on 04/16/2013 11:23:27 AM PDT by SCHROLL
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To: Jyotishi
An option is to import Republican Party voters (from which countries?).

A Republican is a Democrat who is watching a blithering, incompetent terrorism investigation after having his leg blown off by a pressure cooker.


32 posted on 04/16/2013 11:24:32 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: pinochet

If that is what it takes to save GOP then its over.

How come so many in the GOP thought up until last November that the GOP ws winning these people? I know Rush was telling his listeners that.

Not a peep about Asians last year by GOP.

Chinese from PRC are very socially conservative especially regarding the family.

Now Koreans ??? I get the impression their kids go to public schools here and become standard young liberal morons. yet many are Christians.


33 posted on 04/16/2013 11:26:35 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: pinochet

The issue is not “immigration” it is “assimilation”. Look, GOP, if I wanted to live in Mexico or some *stan, I would move there. When too many immigrants from another culture come here and settle in one area, they tend to reconstitute their own culture rather than assimilating. This seem especially true with Muslims. If I am wrong, then please someone, speak up.

If someone wants to move here, my main concern then stems from some groups giving the appearance that they want to seize part of the US and make it their own little island of culture. I only have to look at “The Race” (la Raza) for a prime example. If you want to live in Mexico, don’t move here and try to recreate Mexico here, and especially don’t demand that I pay for it.


34 posted on 04/16/2013 11:28:44 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: pinochet

It should be greatly restricted.


35 posted on 04/16/2013 11:29:53 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: concerned about politics
Without voter ID, our elections are invalid.

Deserves repeating again and again.

36 posted on 04/16/2013 11:31:40 AM PDT by marron
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To: pinochet

Is there some point in saving the republican party?


37 posted on 04/16/2013 11:35:45 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: knarf

Asian Groups In The U.S.

Population Rankings Adult Characteristics

The 20 largest U.S. Asian groups by origin (based on self-described race or ethnicity)

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/04/04/asian-groups-in-the-u-s/


38 posted on 04/16/2013 11:41:21 AM PDT by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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39 posted on 04/16/2013 11:44:25 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (My faith and politics cannot be separated)
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To: GOPJ
They should stop all immigration until we’ve got secure borders. ....

I always tell people that the border has to be closed first, just like a plumer turns off the water before he gets the water out and repairs the leak .

40 posted on 04/16/2013 11:46:03 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (For Jay Carney - I heard your birth certificate is an apology from the condom factory.)
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To: theBuckwheat
"When too many immigrants from another culture come here and settle in one area, they tend to reconstitute their own culture rather than assimilating."

I grew up in NYC in the 1930's. There were Italian areas also Irish, German, Chinese, Black, Jewish, Polish. Towns had an Irish Church along with an Italian, and maybe Polish. There was no assimilation until they had children. Their children married each other [one man, one woman in those days]. BTW the public school helped because only English was taught.

41 posted on 04/16/2013 11:55:37 AM PDT by ex-snook (God is Love)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
American institutions rest solely on good citizenship. They were created by people who had a background of self-government. New arrivals should be limited to our capacity to absorb them into the ranks of good citizenship.

America must be kept American. For this purpose it is necessary to continue a policy of restricted immigration. It would be well to make such immigration of a selective nature with some inspection at the source, and based either on a prior census or upon the record of naturalization. Either method would insure the admission of those with the largest capacity and best intention of becoming citizen.

Those who do not want to be partakers of the American spirit ought not to settle in America.

Calvin Coolidge (DU Troll)

42 posted on 04/16/2013 11:56:22 AM PDT by re_nortex
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To: Jyotishi

“from which countries?”

Every immigrant I have spoken with has been seeking an education and higher paying job or just a higher paying job—wanting to improve their future by increasing their earnings. Rarely do they understand traditional, Constitutional American principles.

If you tie, in the minds of the immigrant, economic success to the traditional American system of freedom, you can take in any immigrant who is willing to leave their past life behind in order to find freedom and opportunity. When the immigrant only seeks a higher paying job, he or she may not make the connection with the American system and may be perfectly happy with a “benevolent” govt that gives you things. When they prioritize the traditional, Constitutional American system of freedom, you have an immigrant who will restore and sustain America’s greatness.


43 posted on 04/16/2013 12:00:19 PM PDT by iacovatx (Conservatism is the political center--it is not "right" of center)
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To: pinochet

The answer is in the TAG LINE!!


44 posted on 04/16/2013 12:18:58 PM PDT by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty Let the American Taxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: pinochet

Immigrants vote pro-abortion. Therefore, they have no right to immigrate. Nobody has the right to enter someone else’s country and proceed to kill the inhabitants.

The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops support more immigration. They are, therefore, an objectively pro-abortion organization. If they get their way, abortion will remain the law of the land until it leads to its natural consequence of bringing the United States to an end.


45 posted on 04/16/2013 12:19:47 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan (If you're FOR sticking scissors in a female's neck and sucking out her brains, you are PRO-WOMAN!)
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To: knarf
My filipina wife and all the filipina’s we know (5 .. I know, not a lot) .. can’t stand that naygro (phonetic pronunciation), so I wonder .. what is “Asian” in this report ?

My Filipina wife does like Odumbo, and neither do her friends, so I also wonder who they are referring to.

46 posted on 04/16/2013 12:35:57 PM PDT by Mark17 (My body is in California, but my heart is in the Philippines)
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To: pinochet

“More immigration will lead to Republicans losing control of Congress and the Governors’ offices, in addition to making it even harder for Republicans to win the Presidency. “

You have to understand this. The GOP doesn’t CARE what we think! They have replaced we natives with another constituency who they are more able to manipulate with bribes, who don’t care about sovereignty.
This is the ‘modern Republican’ party, as Grover Norquist puts it. There is no place for conservatism in it and they call the rest of us ‘bitter enders’, ‘offensive’, racists’ and whatever it takes to marginalize us.

The only people the GOP recognizes is liberals and illegal aliens. They say aliens have to ‘get at the end of the line’...I got news for ya...it is US who is at the end of the line.

WHO IS CESAR CONDA???
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3007546/posts


47 posted on 04/16/2013 12:42:38 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: Yo-Yo

“No. Conservatives should welcome legal immigration. “

How many per year?


48 posted on 04/16/2013 12:43:52 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: CodeToad

“There are too many foreigners here as it is. Send them all back.”

Under the draft of the new ‘it’s not amnesty!’, not only will they get to stay, but the ones they’ve deported already now will get to come back! I know! I didn’t believe it, either.

Deportees Can Come Back Under Draft Immigration Bill
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3008520/posts


49 posted on 04/16/2013 12:46:32 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: pinochet

We are in the trouble we are in because of LEGAL immigration. We have imported over 40 million people from mostly the third world since 1965 & it’s these immigrants who mostly vote for democrats that have lost the GOP state after state. Most illegal immigrants don’t vote.

If we go back to letting in 200,000 people a year instead of over one million per year we can start to slow down this mess. LEGAL immigration is killing the GOP cause most of the immigrants are voting democrat....that’s a simple fact.


50 posted on 04/16/2013 12:51:48 PM PDT by LongWayHome
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