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Sen. Rand Paul: Illegal immigrants should be allowed to obtain legal status
WaPo ^ | 3.19.2013 | Rosalind S. Helderman

Posted on 03/19/2013 2:01:47 PM PDT by WCH

The dramatic shift in the Republican Party on immigration continued Tuesday, as Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.), a conservative tea party icon and possible 2016 presidential contender, endorsed an overhaul of the nation’s immigration laws that would allow the nation’s estimated 11 million illegal immigrants to obtain legalized status. “Immigration will not occur until conservative Republicans, like myself, become part of the solution. That’s why I’m here today: to begin that conversation and become part of the solution,” he said in a breakfast speech Tuesday morning before the U.S. Hispanic Chamber of Commerce in Washington.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Kentucky
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Correction: An earlier version of this story inaccurately reported that Sen. Rand Paul had called in his speech for a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants. His speech did not include a reference to a path for citizenship, and the story has been corrected.
1 posted on 03/19/2013 2:01:47 PM PDT by WCH
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To: WCH

The GOPers are bending over for the Mexican government.


2 posted on 03/19/2013 2:04:56 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Whatever happened to the land of the free, home of the brave?)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

The one thing we can console ourselves with is that once amnesty is passed, all the people who went along with the GOP on it will suffer financially and perhaps even personally.

I am to the point where I literally hope to see them get what they asked for. In spades. Whare’s that Cartman pic about delicious tears of sadness when you need it?


3 posted on 03/19/2013 2:09:54 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: FlingWingFlyer

To what end?


4 posted on 03/19/2013 2:13:01 PM PDT by WCH
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To: WCH
The Kentucky senator outlined a path to legalization that would be more demanding than the principles advanced by a bipartisan group of senators who aim to introduce legislation in April. That group includes another likely 2016 contender and possible Paul rival, Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.).

Paul said he would want Congress to be involved in certifying that border security has improved sufficiently to open the legalization path, a requirement that many immigrant advocates are sure to oppose as unnecessarily injecting politics into the process.


5 posted on 03/19/2013 2:15:27 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

It seems like a horrible mistake.

Rand Paul was in full politician mode on Hannity this afternoon.

No idea what kind of pressure border staters are under to adapt to the Mexican culture, allow them to take over parking areas, malls, schools, the language.

It is probably going to be irreversible.

Paul is a Kentucky Senator. He needs to go home and shut up about this, I don’t care if he IS from Texas, he does not know this issue.

There is a severe lack of representation for people who do not wish this invasion to become sanctioned.


6 posted on 03/19/2013 2:15:40 PM PDT by stanne
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To: Norm Lenhart

A guy on the “FIVE” show on FNC just said what I’ve been saying all along. Now that there is a push for amnesty, the commie libs have dropped the number of illegals living here from 20 million to 12 million. Before they started their blitzkrieg, the “media” was trumpeting that Hispanics would outnumber Caucasians in this country by 2025. Now, the lying DemocRATS have gone into the Reverse Million Man Math mode. They have made the number of illegals here smaller so that Americans will say, “Oh, only 12 million! Then it’s no big deal”.


7 posted on 03/19/2013 2:16:14 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Whatever happened to the land of the free, home of the brave?)
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To: WCH

No GOP President has gotten more than 35% of the Mexican vote. Even after Reagan granted amnesty.


8 posted on 03/19/2013 2:18:19 PM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: TigersEye

Borer security.

Hmm.

Does he mean the northern borders of our border states? All they need is this sanctioning of the invasion and that’ll be the official border, because it is already.

No. He needs to visit the situation, he is ignorant and should not be representing the people affected by this. He is a wacko bird on this, sorry.


9 posted on 03/19/2013 2:19:01 PM PDT by stanne
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To: TigersEye

There is a path!

The aliens who did not follow the path now make demands, and politicians cater to them instead of WE THE PEOPLE! There is something VERY WRONG with that.

There is a path. Follow it

Conditioning border security on amnesty is unacceptable. Enforce the law. Secure the border; deport illegal aliens on contact with police; stop enticing illegal aliens: no driver license, no college tuition, nothing whatsoever; prosecute employers.


10 posted on 03/19/2013 2:21:16 PM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

And look at all the Freepers willing to drop trou and go along with whatever lie gets them a ‘win’. Dunno what they won...but neither do they. So it’s all good I guess!


11 posted on 03/19/2013 2:21:36 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: WCH; xzins
“Immigration will not occur until conservative Republicans, like myself, become part of the solution

The solution is to ENFORCE EXISTING LAWS!!!!!!!!

If we are going to give amnesty to criminal aliens who have stolen identities, forged identification and social security documents, fraudulently obtained government documents and services, violated the IRS Code, driven cars and trucks without registration or drivers' licenses, AND illegally entered the United States of America, then what are we going to do with American Citizens who are also guilty of those crimes?

Are we going to give amnesty to American Citizens who are tax cheats, document forgers, Citizens who operate vehicles without licenses, Citizens who fraudulently obtain government documents and services?

Or is this AMNESTY only going to those who ALSO violated immigration laws?

12 posted on 03/19/2013 2:22:59 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: Ray76

Yup. As I said on the other thread, Here’s the facts:

We have a path to citizenship now. It is a good one. People use it every day from all over the world.

Illegal has a clear definition. When one engages in illegal acts, one is a criminal. Regardless of age or bleeding heart liberalism/feelgood forum posts.

The GOP is supposed to be the opposition to Dem liberalism, not act as the ‘lesser evil’ option so people can ‘feel good’ saying that ‘we got some of what we wanted’.

Incrimental approaches work. Ask the Sierra Club.

You either accept criminal ‘citizens’ and the GOP playing Kabuki theater games to get to the end result of illegals here under feel good bullXhit premises, or you do not.

You believe in a functioning border or you do not.

You want the rule of law or you do not.

Period.


13 posted on 03/19/2013 2:23:39 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: WCH
Sen. Rand Paul: Illegal immigrants should be allowed to obtain *legal status*

News alert! News alert!

We already have a path to citizenship. I how the argument is framed. They take as a foregone conclusion that no one wants the current path to citizenship.

14 posted on 03/19/2013 2:25:24 PM PDT by VRW Conspirator (Sometimes it takes calamity to lead to serenity - FReeper RacerX1128)
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To: stanne

Being that his father is IN Texas, I would imagine he knows the situation quite well.

What some don’t understand is the political maneuvering going on behind the scenes. Sen. Paul is making the Left prove that southern border is secure. (which, as we all know, isn’t)

BTW Rubio is a problem, not a solution. The Establishment has taken him under their wing.


15 posted on 03/19/2013 2:25:49 PM PDT by WCH
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To: WCH

“Sen. Paul is making...”

An ass of himself and a mockery of the whole idea of ‘citizen’.

There. Fixed it.


16 posted on 03/19/2013 2:27:49 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Ray76
There is a path. Follow it

Exactly what Rand is calling for.

“The AP story was wrong, which spurred a lot of erroneous reports,” Paul’s office said in a statement. “He does not mention ‘path to citizenship’ in his speech at all.”

One Paul adviser told The Post that the path Paul is endorsing does not make it any easier to attain citizenship than current law allows.

“They would get into the back of the line and get no special privileges to do so,” said the adviser, who was not authorized to comment publicly. “What his plan is extending to them is a quicker path to normalization, not citizenship, and being able to stay, work and pay taxes legally.”

Later Tuesday, Paul attempted to clarify his position on the citizenship question. “I didn’t use the word citizenship at all this morning,” he said. “Basically what I want to do is to expand the worker visa program, have border security and then as far as how people become citizens, there already is a process for how people become citizens. The main difference is I wouldn’t have people be forced to go home. You’d just get in line. But you get in the same line everyone is in.”


17 posted on 03/19/2013 2:29:49 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: WCH
Geez !!

Paul Ryan says we don't have a debt crisis.

John Boehner trust Obama, Absolutely.

Rand Paul wants to legalize illegal immigrants with no word on border security.

It's almost like I expect Ted Cruz to say something stupid next.

18 posted on 03/19/2013 2:30:49 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: WCH

Neither of the Pauls have shown any evidence of the situation.

Nor has anyone in congress.

Nor has the US reps of the Catholic church.


19 posted on 03/19/2013 2:30:56 PM PDT by stanne
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To: WCH

Their legal status is : Foreign Criminal Alien


20 posted on 03/19/2013 2:31:00 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Norm Lenhart

However, Paul told the Washington Post, which carried the original story, the reporting was inaccurate.

“I didn’t use the word citizenship at all this morning,” he said. “Basically what I want to do is to expand the worker visa program, have border security and then as far as how people become citizens, there already is a process for how people become citizens.”

Paul said the “main difference is I wouldn’t have people be forced to go home.”

“You’d just get in line. But you get in the same line everyone is in,” he said.


21 posted on 03/19/2013 2:31:34 PM PDT by WCH
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To: GeronL

Invader works too. But I like yours better.


22 posted on 03/19/2013 2:32:08 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: FlingWingFlyer
It's definitely NOT for the Mexican government that they are "bending over," it's for a hoped-for vote!

None will come, of course, illegals aren't here for the work they're here for the benefits, according to a Hispanic businessman of long-standing.

This second generation Hispanic businessman told me right off that he used to be able to hire his fellow Hispanics from other Latin American countries, who were here on legal status, that wanted to work to have a better life for themselves and their families. He said that a few would get green cards, leaving family back at home, live with others in similar situations and work, save and return home to build businesses.

Not so today. He said that when he can hire someone here legally (and those are the ONLY ones he will hire) they bring families including sometimes parents and aunts and uncles, children and their live-in girlfriends and they are already getting government benefits when they begin working for him.

I told him that that is against the law and he agreed and isn't one bit happy about it either as his taxes are paying for this abomination. He said he asked many of them how on earth do they get benefits and was told all they had to do was to show up at a government welfare office and sign up. They even apply for driver's licenses and sign up at the DMV!

I said that also is against the law in KS and MO, so far as I know, but he said that some way it is happening.

So much for Rand Paul, man of the people and TEA Party candidate!!!

23 posted on 03/19/2013 2:32:15 PM PDT by zerosix (Native sunflower)
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To: TexasCajun
Rand Paul wants to legalize illegal immigrants with no word on border security.

False.

24 posted on 03/19/2013 2:32:20 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: TigersEye

Rand Paul: The solution doesn’t have to be amnesty or deportation-a middle ground might be called probation where those who came illegally become legal through a probationary period.

Probationary period leading to.... to..... c’mon you can say it: LEGALIZATION. Also known as AMNESTY.

“those who came illegally become legal” IS amnesty.


25 posted on 03/19/2013 2:34:47 PM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: Ray76
You can say whatever you want. Rand Paul said this;

“They would get into the back of the line and get no special privileges to do so,”

26 posted on 03/19/2013 2:36:12 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Rand is not suggesting citizenship. He is suggesting allowing people who are here a path to a legal working status. He also champions border security, employment enforcement and a bunch of other stuff we support. This approach is a reasonable one. Many here are going to champion the ‘deport or arrest’ approach, but that simply isn’t going to happen. It is not a popular idea, even in most of the states most negatively affected. Texas is a perfect example, they have a much more moderate approach to immigration than Arizona because the political will is not there.

We can continue to ignore all of these problems with the status quo, or we can address them. Frankly getting a good number of these people who can be productive into legal worker status, along with more border enforcement, a modern employment verification system, and more is a reasonable deal.

The fact is, something is going to pass the Democratic Senate and the House leadership is not going to have the will stand just ignore it. Paul’s approach is pretty good. it is better than Rubio and infinitely better than the crap sandwich McCain, Kennedy and Bush tried 6 years ago.


27 posted on 03/19/2013 2:36:19 PM PDT by ilgipper (Obama supporters are comprised of the uninformed & the ill-informed)
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To: stanne

“There is a severe lack of representation for people who do not wish this invasion to become sanctioned.”

We’ve been replaced as constituents. The Gop doesn’t need us anymore to get elected. Lindsey Graham told us that years ago, we should have listened.

“Senator Lindsay Graham of South Carolina has said it most bluntly, ‘We’re gonna tell the BIGOTS to SHUT UP’!

Graham was speaking in front of La Raza, a group that openly collaborates with MEChA, RADICAL- RACIST Chicano extremist political organizations that actively seek the removal of all “white Europeans” from the western U.S.”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1835716/posts


28 posted on 03/19/2013 2:36:26 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: P-Marlowe
Are we going to give amnesty to American Citizens who are tax cheats, document forgers, Citizens who operate vehicles without licenses, Citizens who fraudulently obtain government documents and services?

Tim Geithner and Barack Obama.

29 posted on 03/19/2013 2:36:47 PM PDT by MamaDearest
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To: WCH

“Paul said the “main difference is I wouldn’t have people be forced to go home. You’d just get in line. But you get in the same line everyone is in,” he said.”

What it means is...

Paul said the “main difference is I wouldn’t have people be forced to go home, just like the democrats want... the same thing really. They are still here killing people and sucking up American resources that should go to citizens. Real ones. And I claim that is a conservative thing to do. So all you isiots vote for me because I said it was..”

“You’d just get in line. But you get in the same line everyone is in. It screws all the people trying to do it the right way too but hey. What difference does it make?” he really meant.


30 posted on 03/19/2013 2:36:49 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: ilgipper

See Post 30. That’s the reality.


31 posted on 03/19/2013 2:37:50 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: TigersEye

You are confusing amnesty with citizenship. Paul is promoting amnesty. Other Fabians will pick the ball up and bring citizenship in for the win.


32 posted on 03/19/2013 2:37:55 PM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: Ray76

I’m not confusing anything with anything. I’m posting quotes from Rand Paul.


33 posted on 03/19/2013 2:39:45 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: WCH

You seem to be defending Paul and criticizing Rubio when they both support paths to citizenship for illegals. Hmmm?


34 posted on 03/19/2013 2:41:28 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: ilgipper

One more thing. If you think this is good/OK/acceptable whatever, YOU are every bit the problem with conservatism today.

We have laws. If you want to ignore them while allowing any of this, Go Democrat and be honest with yourself and the rest of us.


35 posted on 03/19/2013 2:41:48 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: zerosix

He’s from Kentucky. What is he sticking his nose in this for? His wacky father lives in Texas; that’s his connection?

He should go to Texas for an extended stay and mix in with the good folks there. Maybe he’ll get mocked as a gringo by the priest at Mass, as happened last sunday. maybe he’ll speak with someone who can’t get a particular job for being unable to speak Spanish, or shoved around on line in the store by someone from another country who won’t look him in the eye, or forced to wait in the parking lot drive while the “I am special” family unapologetically hangs around talking to the driver of the car in front of him and his family.

Maybe he’d decide against giving these people the green light to go viral with this behavior.

He’s way out of touch.


36 posted on 03/19/2013 2:42:05 PM PDT by stanne
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To: TigersEye

Why not deport on contact with law enforcement?

Why not stop enticing with tuition, driver license, or any other benefit?

Why not stop foreigners from voting in municipal elections?

Why not?

We’d be within our right to bar their re-entry after deportation. But we’ll be fair and forgiving and overlook the crime.

The path starts in the home country, not here.


37 posted on 03/19/2013 2:43:39 PM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: ilgipper

No it is not reasonable.


38 posted on 03/19/2013 2:45:26 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Ray76
Sounds kind of like the plan I have been posting since 2006.

Do those things and illegal aliens will deport themselves and pay for the trip.

39 posted on 03/19/2013 2:45:36 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: TigersEye

“Paul said he would want Congress to be involved in certifying that border security has improved sufficiently to open the legalization path”

I listened to Paul on Hannity. He did sound better than what AP reported, but I worry about the part above... how and who in Congress will decide the ‘border is safe’???

Uncle Janet swears it’s safe now, then you see what the border patrol says.

“People are getting their throats slashed at Janet Napolitano’s “secure” border in the Tucson sector. Two dead and one severely wounded just this week. The wounded man was able to flag down some Border Patrol agents after crawling for help. We can’t wait to see how Janet’s team spins this one. Maybe the old “It’s just a sign of how secure the border is.” will work again.

Another Tucson sector station has seen large groups of up to 111 illegal aliens staging at the border and then deftly avoiding all sensors and other surveillance devices. As we warned, it will keep getting worse. Of course, once they all get past us we have ICE to arrest them. No, wait, Janet won’t let ICE do their jobs either. But not to worry, the area where these large groups are congregating is slated to have patrol agents removed next month. That should help the situation.

What this Administration is doing to this country is a travesty.”

http://www.local2544.org/throats-being-cut-at-secure-border/


40 posted on 03/19/2013 2:47:02 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: TigersEye

they all say whatever they want, but he has voiced no understanding of the situation.

The border states have illegals forcing their culture on the US citizens - hard working people, veterans, the elderly- who pay their bills.

There is no way they are going to act like Americans after being rewarded for this.

There is no way they’ll vote for republicans, they hat republicans. 76% voted for BO, and they’re supposedly Catholic.

Paul and anyone who tries to tackle this problem without going into the situation a la the Pope, and asking the Americans they’ve sworn to represent, not the illegals, will be wrong on this.

He’s treating it like it’s academic, but he does not represent the good citizens that this will affect.

He’s being naïve and very dangerous to our country.


41 posted on 03/19/2013 2:48:10 PM PDT by stanne
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To: TigersEye

Operation Wetback proved it can be done. Every major city in the country has plans to evac the entire population. It is total crap for anyone to say it can’t be done.

I’m good with your plan. But the people who say we ‘can’t are lying. We put men on the moon and to the bottom of the deepest spot in the ocean.

IT CAN BE DONE. We just don’t WANT to.


42 posted on 03/19/2013 2:49:13 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: AuntB

I heard him on Hannity’s TV show about two weeks ago and he was dead set on having the border secured and confirmed before any other part of the process was implemented. We can either believe he means it or not.


43 posted on 03/19/2013 2:49:32 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: TigersEye

And Rand Paul is not championing that.


44 posted on 03/19/2013 2:49:40 PM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: stanne
...they all say whatever they want,...

Then there is nothing to discuss.

45 posted on 03/19/2013 2:50:28 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: TigersEye

He also told us he was against Hagel...then voted for him.


46 posted on 03/19/2013 2:50:54 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart

It’s called cut off the welfare, cut off the jobs, cut off the freebies at schools and hospitals and they will pretty much go home on their own.


47 posted on 03/19/2013 2:51:20 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: plain talk

“they both support paths to citizenship for illegals.”

False.


48 posted on 03/19/2013 2:51:27 PM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: Norm Lenhart

I don’t say we can’t but I do say we shouldn’t. For starters it would cost too much. For nothing since doing what I suggest would get it done.


49 posted on 03/19/2013 2:51:39 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: AuntB

The people who are affected are frightened by the audacity of these people and frightened because people like Rand Paul and Lady Graham represent the illegals, NOT the people whom the illegals are pushing around.

It is wrong, what they’re doing and what they’ve done.

They do NOT realize the issue.


50 posted on 03/19/2013 2:52:49 PM PDT by stanne
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