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When Do Too Many Mass Murder Shootings Defy Probability and Bring Out the Conspiracy Theorists?
Freeper Editorial | 10 Jan 13 | Xzins

Posted on 01/10/2013 11:56:19 AM PST by xzins

I remember on September 11, 2001 getting ready for work and hearing on Fox, which I kept on almost all the time, that a plane had flown into one of the towers of the World Trade Center.

I began watching the coverage, and I saw with my own eyes the 2nd plane fly into the 2nd tower. Although not an intel analyst, nor the son of one, I immediately said to myself that this was no coincidence, that it was a coordinated effort.

I didn't need the Pentagon plane or Flight 93 crashing in a Pennsylvania field to do more than underscore what I already knew in my gut.

I am very suspicious right now regarding too many mass murder shootings.. Especially, my suspicions runneth over regarding my government.

If "Fast and Furious" taught me anything, it taught me that my current U.S. government will knowingly run an illegal, covert gun operation that kills hundreds of Mexicans south of the border, and even some Americans on our own side. Fast and Furious taught me that my government will commit clandestine murder purely and intentionally in order to attack gun sales and gun ownership.

What this means is that my government is rabid -- beyond obsessed -- about grabbing our guns.

This very same government's current gun control schemes will be injured if "too much" time passes after the Sandy Hook shootings, and people have time to process their rights absent media hysteria.

In other words, my gun-grabbing government NEEDS gun incidents and anti-gun hysterics to remain in the spotlight in the media.

“Crazy! That is absolutely paranoid, conspiratorial CRAZY!” most would say to me (as I’m saying it to myself…) Crazy is definitely the right word. Because that’s the MO for the shooters who are gunning down everyone from school kids to theater attendees. We’re told they’re crazy, nuts, needing psychometric medication, off their rocker, lunatics and suicidists. Crazy is as crazy does.

However, it took only 2 planes on 9/11. At that point, I knew something was up. How many public shootings in a relatively compact timeframe before I'm convinced that we are somehow defying probability?

Have you ever wondered how the Islamic Jihadists recruit their bomb vest volunteers? I’m betting they don’t run ads in the newspapers or on Al-Jazeera.


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1 posted on 01/10/2013 11:56:25 AM PST by xzins
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To: P-Marlowe; wmfights; jazusamo; Lancey Howard; All

ping to article

this author needs to chill out.

He obviously has been working too hard.


2 posted on 01/10/2013 11:59:48 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins

I posted this on another thread today:

http://www.austinchronicle.com/blogs/news/2012-09-14/ut-bomb-threat-update/

Remember back in September when so many universities had bomb threats? Remember how fast the campuses were searched and declared safe? From link to Univ. of Texas in Austin bomb threat:

8:35am: UT received a phone call from a man who claimed he was affiliated with al-Qaeda and that he had placed bombs throughout the school’s campus that would go off in 90 minutes.

9:53am: UT sent a text alert to students, faculty, and staff, urging them to evacuate all buildings on campus.

10:25am: The university announced via its Twitter account that all buildings were being checked and cleared...

11:38am Latest from UT. Classes are canceled for today, but buildings will re-open at noon, and all other campus activities will resume at 5pm.

12:11pm Powers now holding press conference... working with city, state and federal authorities, and have now determined that they are “extremely confident that the campus is safe.”

The UT campus is HUGE, yet it only took 2-3 hours for LE to search all the nooks and crannies to determine it safe??? I saw the ongoing coverage that day and students were standing around the stadium and soccer field right by the campus security building but no LE told them to move out of the area. The road is a “T” with the stadium, field and security building all at the intersection.

If the the bomb was going to go off in 90 minutes, why wait until 12 minutes of the big BOOM! before sending out a text to evacuate?

I was yelling at the tv that day because none of it made any sense. There was a rash of threats for several days back then and everyone chalked it up to copy cats. However, with all lies surrounding CT, I’m betting these were set ups or whatever. They certainly weren’t bonafide training drills or the real thing because the evacuation would have been more immediate and it would have taken LE days to declare the campus safe. Sure, get the sheeple in a tizzy over all these faked incidents and they’ll be begging the government to take their guns away from them.


3 posted on 01/10/2013 12:03:11 PM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: xzins

How many public shootings in a relatively compact timeframe before I’m convinced that we are somehow defying probability?

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Two things to know.

1. These are copy-cat crimes. Brain damaged mentally unstable individuals are to blame. Not the gubmint. Having said that....

2. “Never let a good crisis go to waste.”


4 posted on 01/10/2013 12:05:48 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: xzins
“Crazy! That is absolutely paranoid, conspiratorial CRAZY!”

It's a little less crazy when considered in clinical terms.

The rabid left and CPUSA have been working to take over the U.S. for years (and their propaganda has been so good they don't even always need a coordinated effort...they all think alike...they are part of the collective).

For them to be successful in the overthrow of the country, they must disarm it. Period!

The ONLY way to disarm it is to create a stream of events that turn public opinion against gun owners and gun ownership.

Now what does any sane person believe would be required to accomplish that?

5 posted on 01/10/2013 12:06:27 PM PST by RoosterRedux (Don't let Obama disarm us!)
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To: bgill

Giving an “all clear” in right around 2 hours for a campus as large as UT Austin is a remarkable display of speed that rivals Santa on Christmas Eve.


6 posted on 01/10/2013 12:07:43 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins

As far as some of the poo-poo artists on FR are concerned, there can never ever ever ever ever be a conspiracy.


7 posted on 01/10/2013 12:09:53 PM PST by null and void (Soap box. Ballot box. Jury box. We're just two boxes away from freedom...)
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To: Responsibility2nd

The radio network is reporting a shooting at a school in California today.


8 posted on 01/10/2013 12:11:10 PM PST by Texas resident
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To: bgill

Consider that for years, the left, through all media, has created a literal tinderbox via it’s liberal policies and positions. It does not take much to set it off. Dogs made rabid tend to bite something.

They then can get the results they want without an actual organized game plan in the conventional sense. They can then claim innocence and that conspiracy theorists need to stop watching sci-fi movies with a straight face.

But one way or the other, they get the desired outcome.


9 posted on 01/10/2013 12:11:45 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: xzins
"He obviously has been working too hard."

Let me recast his thoughts in a different manner then. The left forced the released of many thousands of disturbed patients on to the streets through deinstutionalization. The left assures that parents cannot get access to the medical records of their children in college even if they pay for the students education as well as severe restrictions on what the school knows about minor children in lower grades. The left assures widespread gun free victim zones. The leftist MSM provides lurid continuing coverage of shootings when it suites their playbook and advances a gun control agenda. Would all of that increase the chances of more mass shootings?

10 posted on 01/10/2013 12:13:09 PM PST by Truth29
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To: Responsibility2nd

HELP WANTED

We need to keep our current anti-gun crusade going. Excellent hourly wage and all benefits. Qualifications: Brain damaged mentally unstable individuals. If you meet our requirements, we have a lifelong career for you at the Justice Department.


11 posted on 01/10/2013 12:13:15 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins

Copy cats. The dems don’t have to murder children. Just elevate awareness, keep it in the news and there are plenty of crazies to do their dirty work for them.


12 posted on 01/10/2013 12:17:32 PM PST by plain talk
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To: Responsibility2nd

Little barry bastard commie boy has told us clearly what he wants to ‘accomplish’. He told his leftist contributorsz that his ‘opposition are gun and Bible clingers. Once he and his democrip commie party have removed the gun threat to their rule by federal fiat, the inclusion of ‘Bible’ in the culture will also be removed. The Constitution is no longer an obstruction to these bastards since they have nullified it with little barry’s ‘election’ fraud the Roberts court endorsement of unconstitutional crap.


13 posted on 01/10/2013 12:19:00 PM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: plain talk

The abortion party loves to murder children.

And...apparently...Mexicans.


14 posted on 01/10/2013 12:19:55 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins

Just the other day, while driving home, I was thinking, Why are all the nut cases coming out all at once?

For the gun grabbers, events are unfolding in ways that seem just a little to good to be true, randomly true.

CA....


15 posted on 01/10/2013 12:21:24 PM PST by Chances Are (Seems I've found that silly grin again....)
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To: Chances Are

You’d almost think they were running a special.


16 posted on 01/10/2013 12:24:02 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins

I like the United Way conspiracy theory, they opened up a fund for the shooting victims days before the shooting, proved by a date on an internet webpage of theirs which is rock hard evidence.

So they must have been involved.


17 posted on 01/10/2013 12:24:06 PM PST by sickoflibs (Losing to O is NO principle!)
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To: MHGinTN

The Constitution is no longer an obstruction to these bastards since they have nullified it with little barry’s ‘election’ fraud the Roberts court endorsement of unconstitutional crap.

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Add to this mix “Executive Orders” - and Obastard can rule unilaterally.


18 posted on 01/10/2013 12:26:38 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: xzins

There is no rising rate of mass shootings.


19 posted on 01/10/2013 12:27:11 PM PST by mbarker12474 (If thine enemy offend thee, give his childe a drum.)
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To: Chances Are

Agree!


20 posted on 01/10/2013 12:32:36 PM PST by tayper (Granny told me, Saying it don't make it so)
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To: xzins

Yes, there is mass hysteria, and sometimes FR readers have it too.

There is no conspiracy. There are a lot of copycat mental cases who see the news and the attention given to the murderers, and say “I’ll show em.”

The government is opportunistic but they don’t plan and plot these things.


21 posted on 01/10/2013 12:37:51 PM PST by I want the USA back
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To: RoosterRedux
Now what does any sane person believe would be required to accomplish that?

I'm not qualified to begin to answer that question. But I'd like to hear from more sane persons about the subject.
22 posted on 01/10/2013 12:38:18 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: xzins
However, it took only 2 planes on 9/11. At that point, I knew something was up.
Oh yeah, 911, an "inside job." Oy.
Article asks a few good questions but leans too strong on the conspiracy side of things.
Some of the (original) commenters are whacked too.
23 posted on 01/10/2013 12:40:44 PM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: null and void
As far as some of the poo-poo artists on FR are concerned...

This reminds me of many years ago when my baby son opened his diaper and started drawing on the wall.
24 posted on 01/10/2013 12:41:25 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: sickoflibs

Huh? Is this something you made up or is there a rock solid source for that?


25 posted on 01/10/2013 12:42:40 PM PST by dsrtsage (One half of all people have below average IQ. In the US the number is 54%)
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To: sickoflibs
Sickoflibs, we need a source for that, even if it's just the Wayback Machine. If you're going to post stuff, outrageous stuff, that can't factually be backed up, don't bother posting...at least here.

We do not need the DBM and other mentally deficient leftists pointing to stuff like this, saying we're the ones America should be afraid of.

Never give the sons of bitches an opening, especially like that.

Just a heads-up, FRiend!

CA....

26 posted on 01/10/2013 12:51:13 PM PST by Chances Are (Seems I've found that silly grin again....)
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To: I want the USA back
The government is opportunistic but they don’t plan and plot these things.

Did they "plan and plot" Fast and Furious?

CA....

27 posted on 01/10/2013 12:55:13 PM PST by Chances Are (Seems I've found that silly grin again....)
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To: xzins

****In other words, my gun-grabbing government NEEDS gun incidents and anti-gun hysterics to remain in the spotlight in the media****

I still remember when California prepared a gun ban list, then set it aside. They then released seven time inmate of mental institutions, Pat Purdy onto the Public.

Allowed him to buy a handgun in Cali, even passed the waiting period.

Then bought a rifle in Oregon, went to the Stockton School yard and opened fire.

Then the anti-gun bill was quickly brought out and passed before the blood was even dry in the school yard.


28 posted on 01/10/2013 12:57:32 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name! See new paintings!)
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To: null and void

Some more conspiracy theory here: http://www.naturalnews.com/038616_John_Noveske_mysterious_death_car_crash.html


29 posted on 01/10/2013 1:02:00 PM PST by csmusaret (I will give Obama credit for one thing- he is living proof that familiarity breeds contempt.)
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To: xzins
When Do Too Many Mass Murder Shootings Defy Probability and Bring Out the Conspiracy Theorists?

Knowing what we know about Fast and Furious...I'm already there.

30 posted on 01/10/2013 1:05:20 PM PST by pgkdan ( "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." ~Thomas Jefferson)
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To: xzins

Do you think the govt needed Muslim terrorists too?


31 posted on 01/10/2013 1:07:33 PM PST by stuartcr ("I upraded my moral compass to a GPS, to keep up with the times.")
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To: dsrtsage; Chances Are
RE :”Huh? Is this something you made up or is there a rock solid source for that?”

Sorry, my mistake, it was not their website but a google search response of their website's Newtown shooting charity fund page

Google search stuck the date “Dec. 11, 2012” on the listing for the condolence statement by united way. You can find a few of these with google:

United Way: No, we didn’t know about Dec. 14 Sandy Hook shooting in advance

In my last comment I was hinting it was just a typo that sent the CTers into a tizzy, pretty funny I think

I dont expect a comment like that of mine to be cited on MSNBC anytime soon, they got plenty of elected nutbags in the GOP to keep them busy for ever.

32 posted on 01/10/2013 1:14:31 PM PST by sickoflibs (Losing to O is NO principle!)
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To: Chances Are
RE :”...don't bother posting...at least here....Just a heads-up, FRiend!”

LOL, Dont let your head explode bro!

You should see my real satire posts. I dont as rule label them </sarc> either, that ruins the fun.

33 posted on 01/10/2013 1:17:56 PM PST by sickoflibs (Losing to O is NO principle!)
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To: xzins

No they don’t. Dems view unborn as “property” of the mother to do as she wishes. They believe in the right of a mother to be able to murder their unborn. Allowing someone to murder is not the same as hoping they actually do it. I know what you meant but let’s not squander the high ground with sloppy language.


34 posted on 01/10/2013 1:25:18 PM PST by plain talk
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To: xzins

SIGNS SIGNS, CLUES CLUES, if you see a “lit” fuse, you know something is up. You see “camouflage” or “tactical” clothing where it does not belong, be wary, say something to somebody. People with cockeyed fantasies display a pattern of sort, they are abnormal, either downscale or upscale, extra introverted or extra extroverted. Their eyes are a dead giveaway. Hoarding, cruelty, survivalist, deep end, sadistic, overreaction, unconcern and uncommon interests. All of these are “keys” to a social misfit or a genius.


35 posted on 01/10/2013 1:27:45 PM PST by Gertie
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To: sickoflibs

>>In my last comment I was hinting it was just a typo that sent the CTers into a tizzy, pretty funny I think.<<

A server typo? Pretty funny I think.


36 posted on 01/10/2013 1:45:43 PM PST by ILS21R (Everything is a conspiracy. No? You're living in one.)
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To: I want the USA back
The government is opportunistic but they don’t plan and plot these things.

Plan? No that they don't.

They do do everything they can to set the stage, place the actors, promote the performance, sell the tickets, and pop the popcorn.

And when the performance "inevitably" happens, they just happen to have the legislation already written and ready to pass and be signed into law, why, you don't even need to read it before you vote on it!

Curiously enough, the prepackaged legislation never increases freedom, never reduces taxes, never eliminates regulations.

But plan a given individual event, no, they don't do that, do they?...

37 posted on 01/10/2013 1:50:48 PM PST by null and void (Soap box. Ballot box. Jury box. We're just two boxes away from freedom...)
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To: Gertie
SIGNS SIGNS, CLUES CLUES, if you see a “lit” fuse, you know something is up. You see “camouflage” or “tactical” clothing where it does not belong, be wary, say something to somebody. People with cockeyed fantasies display a pattern of sort, they are abnormal, either downscale or upscale, extra introverted or extra extroverted. Their eyes are a dead giveaway. Hoarding, cruelty, survivalist, deep end, sadistic, overreaction, unconcern and uncommon interests. All of these are “keys” to a social misfit or a genius.

That settles it. I for sure do not know what we are talking about.
38 posted on 01/10/2013 1:55:38 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: plain talk
Dems view unborn as “property” of the mother to do as she wishes.

Property? You mean like slaves are property?

Some things never really do change do they?

39 posted on 01/10/2013 1:55:48 PM PST by null and void (Soap box. Ballot box. Jury box. We're just two boxes away from freedom...)
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To: xzins

Sorry but I am getting to be one of those also. Too much of a coincidence to be such a cookie cutter approach. Too much filtering and coming up with the same thing each time.

I do not trust this communist that wants to destroy this country and he will do anything he can to further it.

Fast & Furious, Benghazi, etc.

Hell, even the Capt of the Steve Irwin intntionally scuttled a damaged boat to build community support for his efforts. Libs have been faking stufff ofr a long time (Dan Rather and the history of ABCCBSNBC)


40 posted on 01/10/2013 2:04:31 PM PST by dirtymac (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country.)
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To: xzins

sorry again but that is just plain stupid. Maybe you need to get your head out of the sand and look at what is going on.


41 posted on 01/10/2013 2:08:06 PM PST by dirtymac (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country.)
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To: xzins
You have to separate the crazies (Gabby Giffords shooting, Aurora movie shooting, Newtown school shooting) from isolated emotional retaliation shootings (high school kids whose girlfriends leave them or another boy steals the girl).

I'm thinking that today's Taft high school shooting is of the latter kind, that is, a kid lost control and shot a rival. I've posted previously that I think today's schoolchildren don't know how to deal with their growing emotions. As they reach adolescence, instead of giving them outlets for their hormones, the schools drug them into submission until after their teen years and then wake them up again once they graduate. They are not equipped to manage their emotions after that.

The MSM will likely try to take ANY shooting and make it a mass shooting if more than 1 person is shot.

-PJ

42 posted on 01/10/2013 2:19:25 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: Truth29
The left forced the released of many thousands of disturbed patients on to the streets through deinstutionalization.

This was a wildly popular program with support from right (which wanted to save money) as well as left (which had seen One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest too many times and believed it was society which was really crazy).

R Reagan was one of the leaders.

43 posted on 01/10/2013 2:29:26 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: mbarker12474
There is no rising rate of mass shootings.

And the non-mass murder rate has been heading down for 25 years now. We're almost back to where it started up in the 50s.

44 posted on 01/10/2013 2:33:17 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: xzins
One wonders (from Wiki - underlines mine):

"Port Arthur Massacre (Tasmania, Australia) - The Port Arthur massacre of 28 April 1996 was a killing spree in which 35 people were killed and 23 wounded, mainly at the historic Port Arthur prison colony, a popular tourist site in south-eastern Tasmania, Australia. the massacre, were reviewed and tightened significantly after the incident.
The Port Arthur massacre remains one of the deadliest shootings worldwide committed by a single person. Gun control laws in Australia, which had been relatively lenient before the massacre, were reviewed and tightened significantly after the incident.
After the shootings, it emerged that the shooter, Martin Bryant, had significant intellectual disabilities.

45 posted on 01/10/2013 2:59:49 PM PST by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: xzins
One wonders (from Wiki - underlines mine):

"Port Arthur Massacre (Tasmania, Australia) - The Port Arthur massacre of 28 April 1996 was a killing spree in which 35 people were killed and 23 wounded, mainly at the historic Port Arthur prison colony, a popular tourist site in south-eastern Tasmania, Australia. the massacre, were reviewed and tightened significantly after the incident.
The Port Arthur massacre remains one of the deadliest shootings worldwide committed by a single person. Gun control laws in Australia, which had been relatively lenient before the massacre, were reviewed and tightened significantly after the incident.
After the shootings, it emerged that the shooter, Martin Bryant, had significant intellectual disabilities.

46 posted on 01/10/2013 3:00:17 PM PST by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: xzins

The devil is far better at coordinating “conspiracies” than evil men in a board room. There is a place in the heart that can only be filled by God. When men reject God something fills that space, whether those men admit to the existence of that something or not.

Once a society is brimming with pragmatic as well as literal atheists the devil has no trouble coordinating his plans using these dupes. It doesn’t take any human conscious thought or coordination. But it’s a conspiracy nonetheless.

The devil is afoot.

No matter how this current crisis turns out the devil will use it to maximum effect.


47 posted on 01/10/2013 3:14:46 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: oh8eleven
>>However, it took only 2 planes on 9/11. At that point, I knew something was up.
>
>Oh yeah, 911, an "inside job." Oy.

No, that's not what he's saying; he's saying that the two planes crashing, one right after the other, meant that it was not an unplanned/random event, but something that was planned. Indeed there was planning involved, at least on the side of the terrorists... that is the point.

48 posted on 01/10/2013 3:18:01 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: csmusaret; null and void

Add this.

Keith Ratliff, Manager of FPSRussia found murdered
http://libertyandsuch.com/manager-of-fpsrussia-found-murdered/

“This represents a second well known player in the firearms industry to be killed in the past week. Only a few days ago, John Novseke was killed in a somewhat mysterious car crash.”


49 posted on 01/10/2013 3:39:23 PM PST by UCANSEE2 ( If you think I'm crazy, just wait until you talk to my invisible friend.)
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To: OneWingedShark
I re-read the article and while I understand what you're saying, I still see it in the context that he thought 9/11 was part of a (grand) conspiracy.
And that's really what the article is all about.
50 posted on 01/10/2013 3:44:18 PM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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