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NO! NOT NOW, NOT EVER!
Cooking With Chef Carlo ^ | 1/9/13 | Carlo3b, Dad, Chef, Author

Posted on 01/09/2013 2:56:00 PM PST by carlo3b

NO! No you won’t.. Not now, not ever.. President Obama, you have taken this country down a road that even your most ardent supporters have had to concede is entirely too far to the left of our National patience would have normally allowed with your entitlement philosophies..

Now you have focused on the second amendment, and this time you have taken on the very heart of this country’s pride, and the answer is NO, JUST NO!

This time, Mr. President you have gone too far, and you are on the verge of total rebellion, not just from your detractors, but also from your own supporters..

This time you might just bring everything that has been bottled up, can now be brought to the surface, and finally you will be called upon to answer to all of the wrong headed changes that your arrogance has allowed you to make.. NO! NO! NO! Not Now, Not Ever…

You may want our GUNS, but what you might just get from your fellow citizens response, is one bullet at a time..

Save your legacy, and the break-up of this government, but the very least you will accomplish this time is a total rejection of YOU!.. NO! NO! NO!


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1 posted on 01/09/2013 2:56:03 PM PST by carlo3b
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To: Jim Robinson; Bob J; christie; stanz; jellybean; Angelique; Howie; TwoStep; piasa; Exit148; ...

THIS IS THE TIME FOR ACTION!


2 posted on 01/09/2013 2:58:22 PM PST by carlo3b (Less Government, more Fiber..)
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To: Jim Robinson; Bob J; christie; stanz; jellybean; Angelique; Howie; TwoStep; piasa; Exit148; ...

THIS IS THE TIME FOR ACTION!


3 posted on 01/09/2013 2:59:03 PM PST by carlo3b (Less Government, more Fiber..)
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To: carlo3b

I agree with your sentiment and your passion, but I think you greatly overestimate how much opposition he will get from his own supporters. DemocRats are DemocRats, 1st, 2nd, 3rd and last and the Constitution be damned unless it is to advance deviancy in every form. Don’t look for Dems in the foxhole next to you on this one.


4 posted on 01/09/2013 3:00:13 PM PST by JewishRighter
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To: JewishRighter

I would normally agree with you, but this is different, trust me the response will be shocking... :)


5 posted on 01/09/2013 3:03:23 PM PST by carlo3b (Less Government, more Fiber..)
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To: carlo3b

Right now it’s smoke. All we know his EO may say that Obama will forbid any guns on all public lands. Like he could really could enforce that effectively.


6 posted on 01/09/2013 3:04:35 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: JewishRighter

I disagree. Even the Dems can see the way the winds have been blowing. Crime is bad, and their urban constituents want to protect themselves. It’s not a matter of Dems being afraid of a powerful “gun lobby,” they’re afraid of the voters. Which is a good thing.


7 posted on 01/09/2013 3:06:14 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: Red Steel

THIS IS THE STRAW THAT BROKE THE CAMEL’S BACK!


8 posted on 01/09/2013 3:06:58 PM PST by carlo3b (Less Government, more Fiber..)
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To: carlo3b
Think guerilla. Think what two disturbed terrorists did in DC for weeks from the trunk of their car. Now extrapolate that to a larger scale of 10,000 fold. There is NO safe place for you, me, our loved ones, our friends, nor the tyrant wannabes. We are all vulnerable to anyone with a scope.

God help us :)

9 posted on 01/09/2013 3:07:56 PM PST by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever.)
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To: carlo3b

You need to watch http://vimeo.com/52009124


10 posted on 01/09/2013 3:08:30 PM PST by ChocChipCookie
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To: carlo3b

Run, and you’ll live. But dying in your beds, many years from now- would you be willing to trade all the days from this day to that, to come back here and tell our enemies: You may take our lives, but you will never take our FREEDOM!- William Wallace, Braveheart


11 posted on 01/09/2013 3:13:35 PM PST by usmom
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To: carlo3b

Thank you..

My hope is that Bidden was speaking from ignorance ..otherwise this is getting way out of hand
.
God help us.


12 posted on 01/09/2013 3:13:35 PM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: usmom
You may take our lives, but you will never take our FREEDOM!- William Wallace, Braveheart

EXACTLY!

13 posted on 01/09/2013 3:16:33 PM PST by carlo3b (Less Government, more Fiber..)
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To: JewishRighter

“I agree with your sentiment and your passion, but I think you greatly overestimate how much opposition he will get from his own supporters”

Do you really think he won’t mandate gun control by executive order? And do you really think he cares what members of his own party think of im now that he has gotten a second term(and maybe more)? This pos in chief ONLY cares about the destruction of this country and our Constitution and with the appointment of more Supremes he will have handily turned the office into a true dictatorship. I’m with Carlo.


14 posted on 01/09/2013 3:16:52 PM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: A Navy Vet

BRING IT ON!


15 posted on 01/09/2013 3:17:21 PM PST by carlo3b (Less Government, more Fiber..)
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To: carlo3b
You are right. Now, is the time to either stand up together and push back. I have been writing/calling, faxing all of my elected members on both sides telling them if Obama does this and they do not overturn it immediately in the House, there will be a terrible part of history that we will see. Someone on the opposition side has to stop this dictator. How long will Fox News and the polite people in the media go along with covering for Obama and his dictatorial rule. They could stop him instantly. The libs don't know history. They are the reason we are in this decay and overreach of government power. This has been a set up since day one massacre. How can the student kill himself with 3 shots to his head. The government has this in control for their agenda.
16 posted on 01/09/2013 3:17:21 PM PST by Christie at the beach (I like Newt. Our nation's foundation is under attack.)
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To: Red Steel

Obama will forbid any guns on all public lands

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Interstates!


17 posted on 01/09/2013 3:18:31 PM PST by JouleZ (You are the company you keep.)
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To: carlo3b
I would normally agree with you, but this is different, trust me the response will be shocking... :)

It definitely is different. THIS TIME WE HAVE TO STAND UP AND BACK UP OUR RIGHTS OR WE FOREVER SHALL BE ENSLAVED.

Remember the 70 years the Jews spent in Babylonia under Nebakaniser?

18 posted on 01/09/2013 3:20:45 PM PST by jongaltsr
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To: SE Mom

HE THINKS WE ARE WIMPS, NOT THIS MAN, NOT MY FELLOW VET’S THAT FOUGHT FOR YOUR FREEDOM.. NOT MY FELLOW NEIGHBORS THAT WORKED HARD TO MAKE THIS A COUNTRY WORTH FIGHTING FOR!


19 posted on 01/09/2013 3:21:26 PM PST by carlo3b (Less Government, more Fiber..)
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To: carlo3b

Obama May Use Executive Order to Grab Guns, Warns Biden

Newsmax.com


20 posted on 01/09/2013 3:24:13 PM PST by KeyLargo
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To: KeyLargo

Biden was floating a trial balloon.. Let this be a dart to burst it.. ANSWER BACK LOUD AND CLEAR... NO!


21 posted on 01/09/2013 3:26:52 PM PST by carlo3b (Less Government, more Fiber..)
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To: A Navy Vet

We’re now one step closer to America’s coming civil war

By Arthur Herman

Published January 03, 2013

| FoxNews.com

The New Year has started with a monstrosity of a budget deal, one that proves that neither political party, Democrats or Republicans, is really serious about controlling the growth of big government.

But soap opera dramatics about fiscal “cliffs” and sequestration shouldn’t deflect from where President Obama is really taking this country. Consider this story from the Wall Street Journal a few days before Christmas:

“Thousands of people in several Argentine cities ransacked supermarkets for a second day in the latest challenge to President Chistina Kirchner, who is struggling to revive a weak economy...In the central city Rosario, two people were killed during the incidents and 137 people arrested.

“The violence puts Mrs. Kirchner in a difficult position as the poor are [her] core constituents...Her government spends billions of dollars a year to help low income families, including free health care...[Yet] Argentine activists who claim to represent the poor traditionally block access to supermarkets in the month of December to demand free food and other items...The latest events were some of the worst acts of looting and vandalism in years.... Local media showed dozens of men, women, and children hauling away televisions, refrigerators, and food.”

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/01/03/were-now-one-step-closer-to-america-coming-civil-war/


22 posted on 01/09/2013 3:29:28 PM PST by KeyLargo
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To: carlo3b

Back when they passed the Brady bill I knew this day would certainly come. They knew that females (not all of them but a huge majority of them) were horrified by a piece of steel that shot bullets, even if was unloaded or taken apart. It was the same baseless unbridled fear they have of bugs, lizards and snakes.

The Communist knew this and capitalized upon women fears and convinced them that they (communists) would control the bad things in their life like guns, raising children, being feminine etc...and the women went for it like a duck chasing a June bug. Now, we have added to the hysterical scared women....queers (male humans who were once men) who also act exactly like women in every respect (but take turns).

What it comes down to, no one is going to impeach Obama or his minions simply because he is violating the Constitution to protect ourselves against law abiding citizens in the name of overthrowing the American government without firing a shot.

However, I do know who will be firing shots if they ignore the Constitution and take our liberties away. I plan to take as many to the promised land (for them, North Korea) as I can. At least I will die while I’m still free.


23 posted on 01/09/2013 3:40:16 PM PST by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: DH

Paul Harvey on GunsMonday,
November 06, 2000

Are you considering backing gun control
laws? Do you think that because you may not own a gun, the rights guaranteed by
the Second Amendment don’t matter?

CONSIDER:

In 1929 the Soviet Union established
gun control. From 1929 to 1953, approximately 20 million dissidents, unable to
defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

In 1911, Turkey established gun
control. From 1915-1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves,
were rounded up and exterminated.

Germany established gun control in 1938
and from 1939 to 1945, 13 million Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, the mentally ill,
and others, who were unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.

China established gun control in 1935.
From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves,
were rounded up and exterminated.

Guatemala established gun control in
1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves,
were rounded up and exterminated.

Uganda established gun control in
1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were
rounded up and exterminated.

Cambodia established gun control in
1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million “educated” people, unable to defend
themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

That places total victims who lost
their lives because of gun control at approximately 56 million in the last
century. Since we should learn from the mistakes of history, the next time
someone talks in favor of gun control, find out which group of citizens they
wish to have exterminated. I would really like to know which groups you liberals want to kill. Of course gun control has nothing to do with anyone’s safety and everything to do with a tyrannical government take over. If Obama gets his way kiss your freedoms goodbye


24 posted on 01/09/2013 3:48:29 PM PST by darylmh (new workers, new prisons)
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To: carlo3b

Obama WANTS a civil war or similar emergency. It is what he has been striving for all the while, In the chaos that results the Marxists hope to impose their totalitarian system on the nation.


25 posted on 01/09/2013 3:55:31 PM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: freeangel

I’m with Carlo too, to the extent of the main point. I only think he overstates the degree that Dems might oppose Obama. Remember, I’m not talking about the elites in their cloistered urban enclaves: most of ‘em don’t have guns, don’t want guns and are squealing with delight that Obama might make good on gun grabbing. Out there in the sticks, the opponents, such as there are, are most likely a segment of the dems in rural areas that have guns and appreciate their protective function. In the urban areas, your average gun owning Obama voter wears his pants on the ground and couldn’t give a crap about Obama’s plans, because they won’t send the cops to take them away in Holder’s Hoods.


26 posted on 01/09/2013 3:59:50 PM PST by JewishRighter
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To: freeangel

I’m with Carlo too, to the extent of the main point. I only think he overstates the degree that Dems might oppose Obama. Remember, I’m not talking about the elites in their cloistered urban enclaves: most of ‘em don’t have guns, don’t want guns and are squealing with delight that Obama might make good on gun grabbing. Out there in the sticks, the opponents, such as there are, are most likely a segment of the dems in rural areas that have guns and appreciate their protective function. In the urban areas, your average gun owning Obama voter wears his pants on the ground and couldn’t give a crap about Obama’s plans, because they won’t send the cops to take them away in Holder’s Hoods.


27 posted on 01/09/2013 3:59:50 PM PST by JewishRighter
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To: KeyLargo

Obama is illegal.


28 posted on 01/09/2013 4:18:45 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: carlo3b

What sort of action? What do we do?


29 posted on 01/09/2013 4:23:31 PM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: JewishRighter
I think you greatly overestimate how much opposition he will get from his own supporters.

Don't make the mistake of overestimating how much support Obama might get from rank and file libs on this issue. I think we're all gonna be shocked by how little support there is for further curtailment of our 2nd Amendment rights on the left.

Most Dems live in urban areas, and most of them are all too aware of how dangerous their environment is. They may vote 'rat, but they're not all clueless about basic self defense.

30 posted on 01/09/2013 4:23:57 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: darylmh
I would really like to know which groups you liberals want to kill.

Christians, non Muslims, conservatives, true American patriots, anti communists, and millions who oppose Obama, to begin with. Yes, I mean MILLIONS.

31 posted on 01/09/2013 4:27:12 PM PST by Mark17 (California, where English is a foreign language)
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To: Don Corleone
Obama WANTS a civil war or similar emergency. It is what he has been striving for all the while, In the chaos that results the Marxists hope to impose their totalitarian system on the nation.

There are close to 100 million gun owners in America, who possess an estimated 300 million firearms. Please tell me what army Obama has up his sleeve that can conquer a force like that?

32 posted on 01/09/2013 4:29:56 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Mark17
I would really like to know which groups you liberals want to kill.

What they want to kill is the constitution. It limits the State by by supporting the inherent rights of man and then adding the Bill of Rights to the inherent rights.

33 posted on 01/09/2013 4:34:18 PM PST by Eva
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To: Eva
What they want to kill is the constitution. It limits the State by by supporting the inherent rights of man and then adding the Bill of Rights to the inherent rights.

Yes, that too. Then they want to kill all of us good people. Do not under estimate the hatred of these utter slime bags. I am reminded of a poem by Rudyard Kipling. I hope it is true.

34 posted on 01/09/2013 5:00:49 PM PST by Mark17 (California, where English is a foreign language)
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To: ChocChipCookie

Thanks for the video link. Just watched it with my DH and we learned a lot. Wish they had the time to tie the muslims into this. Highly recommend this video!


35 posted on 01/09/2013 5:02:43 PM PST by JouleZ (You are the company you keep.)
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To: ChocChipCookie

Bump

***** “ You need to watch http://vimeo.com/52009124 “ ******

Please everyone... this needs to go Viral

TT

See my Tag


36 posted on 01/09/2013 5:08:20 PM PST by TexasTransplant (This needs to go viral http://vimeo.com/52009124 please watch it)
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To: carlo3b

please everyone words mean things.

rebellion is unlawful action against lawful government.

revolution is lawful action against unlawful government.

if you have to keep it straight, the Founders led a revolution. the crown - the other side - may have considered them rebels, but they were revolting against unjust/unlawful government.


37 posted on 01/09/2013 5:26:07 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: carlo3b

Our enemy is not Obama and his supporters, it is the compliant press who refuse to point out this mad man’s policies and goals! The first shots fired in protest will lead to martial law and make him ruler for life.


38 posted on 01/09/2013 5:51:07 PM PST by tubebender (Evening news is where they begin with "Good Evening," and then proceed to tell you why it isn't.)
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To: carlo3b

Sorry, carlo3b.

This is a rant. Put down the whiskey bottle before the traitors in the Secret Service come and haul you away. Conservatives have in no way, no fashion or in any means organized themselves enough to rescue you from Buckwheat’s gulag.


39 posted on 01/09/2013 6:20:52 PM PST by sergeantdave (The FBI has declared war on the Marine Corps)
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To: A Navy Vet

Both of them were muslim, IIRC.

Carlo, I agree, there is little else that I can think of that could so effectively have polarized the nation even MORE than is already is than this latest Obama move.

But what ardent supporters are you talking about that have conceded that Barky has lurched too far left with this? The few I actually know are pretty firmly behind him on this.


40 posted on 01/09/2013 7:30:13 PM PST by prairiebreeze (Don't be afraid to see what you see. -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: Christie at the beach

FoxNews has been reporting about Biden’s comment all evening. And not in support of it.....

??


41 posted on 01/09/2013 7:37:39 PM PST by prairiebreeze (Don't be afraid to see what you see. -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: Christie at the beach

3 shots to his head?

Source, please!


42 posted on 01/10/2013 12:21:40 AM PST by FrogMom (Chicken Little is coming, and he's right!)
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To: A Navy Vet; Windflier

“There is NO safe place for you, me, our loved ones, our friends, nor the tyrant wannabes. We are all vulnerable to anyone with a scope. “

This is the problem. I know many well armed Southern Democrats who sing the praises of that man in office, some of them, I am reasonably sure, would use those arms to defend liberty, regardless of their otherwise unqualified support. Others, I am also sure, will use them against those who are against the “man who has saved this country” (I kid you not).
I have also met my share of former military hippies, deadheads and rainbow people who have stated they would use their training to do what was necessary to defend their own, and their own understanding of liberty (which may be radically different from ours).
Not all the guns are on “our” side - even here, we see that “our” side has many fracture points when it comes to defining what rights trump others, and I would not be surprised to find fellow freepers, perhaps unbeknownst to one another or not, on opposite ends of a field of fire.
Popular novels such as “Unintended Consequences” champion the idea that conservatives have the upper hand in the weapons category, and that sniping all our leaders will fix the problem.
Morally, this seems to me more akin to the guillotines of the French Revolution than the generally considered Just War of the American one. [Aside, check out “The French and American Revolutions Compared” by Friedrich Gentz, a relatively short treatise now available in e-format on line, complete with translator John Quincy Adams’ introduction]. Furthermore, it violates the idea that the lawful resistor must have some legitimate authority of its own - eg the “lesser magistrate” acting to defend the people from the abuses of those above him. Even the French used the guillotine under color of authority. A million people acting as a law unto themselves, judge jury and executioner in one, would be greater lawlessness than we have now.
Once that genie is out of the bottle there may be no putting it back.

(Windflier, post32: Please tell me what army Obama has up his sleeve that can conquer a force like that?)

We may be making a mistake in assuming that “conquering” or “winning” is the goal of the people in charge of this administration. Remember, it has been reported that Ayers, et al, once schemed ways of taking out 10% of the population. Looking at numerous reports of how the Dems “focus group” and psychoanalyze using even the nuances of various words to influence public perceptions on issues, one might wonder about the long running propaganda campaign to divide us into so many splinters against one another.
If we were to be invaded by a foreign enemy, there would be many cases of “Jamal” and “Bubba” getting each other’s backs. Even if our own government overreached its position carelessly, they would do the same. But we could easily destroy ourselves in the millions, and/or be rendered ineffectual on the world stage, if we do not proceed very carefully from this point.

I pray regularly for the repentance of That Man in office, and his protection. The big Lincoln fad right now has me particularly worried, to be honest. First, it has been decided to put him in the public consciousness with several movies, specials and books. Then we have this foolish (on many fronts) notion of making comparisons between the two. To many it seems evident that the current president was put in office for the purpose of the destabilization of our country and the world. Nothing would enhance that goal more than seeing all the so called parallels between the two carried out in extremis. If we survived the immediate aftermath, we would have a hard and bitter Second Reconstruction, and it would be extremely difficult for the message of conservatism to be divorced from the purposeful conflation with racism and extremism that would surely ensue.
The founders were very careful to list their grievances out of “a decent respect to the opinions of mankind.” We need to do the same, or we will have only chaos and death for an untold and indeterminable time.
A just conflict, with clearly spelled out, even shall we say “self-evident,” reasons and goals, could have a hope of being also a limited one. If we cannot have a reasonable hope of success in winning the conflict and limiting its scope, we only create more evil than that we seek to ameliorate.


43 posted on 01/10/2013 12:32:09 AM PST by Apogee (All done with sleepless contemplation of jus ad bellum and jus in bello, for now.)
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To: A Navy Vet
I work on anAFB. Was talking to an NCO the other day and he asked what would happen if the military was called in to start taking guns. I asked him what he thought he should do and he said he didn't want to be involved in something like that, but what if orders came down the tube?. I reminded him of his oath to uphold the Constitution and to defend against all enemies, foreign and domestic. I also pointed out that he was under oath to foloow the lawful orders of the President and those appointed over him and that the word "lawful" was not there by coincidence. The light clicked on behind his eyes and he knows how he would act. I believe he is part of the majority of military who will not fight against the People in any way that goes against the Consti9tution.
44 posted on 01/10/2013 2:35:41 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: carlo3b

The entity that is behind these not so random shootings will try a third time its the charm event. The theater shooting got interest, Sandy hook got more interest.

The sum of the endeavor is to generate the highest outrage so as to shock America into gun ownership shame.

Just what would it require to absolutely energize the overwhelming majority of citizens?

Apparently even the deaths of small children did not have enough shock.

So another event must be coordinated. The only way to disarm the people is if the people disarm themselves.

My guess is an upcoming sports event, the Superbowl or the Daytona 500.

Or a theme park like Disneyland, but since the higher positions of power in America has been infiltrated by Islamic operatives I could venture to say they may stage a mass Mosque shooting by radical right wing Christian Tea Party NRA members. Islam can very well sacrifice its own for the goal of world dominance.

2AR or The Second American Revolution is being called upon to restore America to a proper legal direction and leadership. Its time to make a coordinated strong armed stand to expunge the infiltration of foreign influence in our nations capitol and the illegal use of power gained illegally, not once but twice illegally elected and maybe soon to be placed there for life.

The Second Amendment is our license to enforce it, shortly soon we must elect local militia leadership and initiate training. I expect there will be certain neighborhoods that will refuse to be armed, trained or even ordered on how and where to assemble.

We shall indeed supply arms and arms training, to mandate the requirements of each person eligible to be armed such as in Switzerland, many will object and will refuse instead preferring the leftist agenda of nobody having any counter weapons to thwart a dictatorship, these individuals may need to be relocated to temporary internment camps for their own safety for their families until hostilities cease and the proper legal government is restored.


45 posted on 01/10/2013 2:39:59 AM PST by Eye of Unk (AR2 2013 is the American Revolution part 2 of 2013)
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To: FrogMom
Hubby and I heard it reported on our local news the first day that it happened but now we cannot find it anywhere on the news site. We don’t watch hardly any cable news so don’t know what all they are reporting.
46 posted on 01/10/2013 2:57:55 AM PST by Christie at the beach (I like Newt. Our nation's foundation is under attack.)
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To: carlo3b

47 posted on 01/10/2013 3:20:30 AM PST by Howie
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To: Howie

The big drug companies contribute enormous amounts of money to the powers-that-be to keep the fact secret that virtually ALL these shooters were being treated with drugs that are known to cause suicidal and murderous obsession!

The media hate guns so are happy to play along .


48 posted on 01/10/2013 3:24:55 AM PST by Howie
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To: carlo3b

For any doubters :Google “massacres and anti-depressants”


49 posted on 01/10/2013 3:32:07 AM PST by Howie
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To: Howie

Sounds to me like something out of the sci fi show “Serenity” where they treated a whole planet to an anti aggression compound, half the planet just shut down and died, the rest turned into crazed killing monsters.

Our politicians are impotent castrated fools and we have crazed psychotropic individuals eager to take suggestions from an outside group on who and what to attack to further THEIR agenda.


50 posted on 01/10/2013 3:37:14 AM PST by Eye of Unk (AR2 2013 is the American Revolution part 2 of 2013)
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