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Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns
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Posted on 01/09/2013 9:51:19 AM PST by kcvl

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To: kcvl

Führer Diktat.


101 posted on 01/09/2013 10:41:42 AM PST by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: kcvl

All one has to do is examine what Obama has done on the international stage to see what he will do here. Nothing but death and destruction to Libya, Egypt and Syria. And now Iraq is destabilizing as is Afghanistan. Said he would be responsible for more deaths then anyone in human history about 3-4 years ago. And it looks like he is right on track. Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Obama.


102 posted on 01/09/2013 10:42:29 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: kcvl

Might save “a life” on the one hand and cost many more on the other.

How will you quantify it anyway????

“Saved or prevented xxx lives”. ? ? ?


103 posted on 01/09/2013 10:43:13 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Let's Roll

I understand, but I’m still not giving them up, even if the SC rules his EOs effective. I can read, actually, and what the 2nd Amendment tells me is my right to own firearms, any firearms shall not be infringed. The fact that I choose to accept my particular State’s rules about purchasing, etc. is immaterial to the argument. The FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, the very entity the Second Amendment and the rest of the Bill of Rights protects my God-given rights FROM, repeat FROM!, has no f@cking say in the matter.

If they want to do away with the Bill of Rights or part of them, then by GOD, do it according to the Constitution....get 3/4 of the states to ratify an amendments and 2/3 of both houses to confirm it. Otherwise Obama and Holder can STFU as well as the media and liberals.


104 posted on 01/09/2013 10:44:15 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer
Sorry about losing your mom.

It does sound as though she understood intrinsically what we're up against. And yes - it is evil. As evil as the little monster who broke into that school in Connecticut. But rather than deal with the real problem (our sick and demented popular culture), the Left's fascist impulses are now on full display.

After all, Progressives created this culture of violence and immorality, and now propose to deny decent and honest people the ability to defend themselves against its byproducts. Well, to hell with them and to hell with that.

105 posted on 01/09/2013 10:45:17 AM PST by andy58-in-nh (Cogito, ergo armatum sum.)
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To: indthkr
I wonder if all the GOP governors are going to comply with this?

None of the governors should comply.

Law enforcement officers should refuse to comply.

Anyone who uses the constitution like toilet paper should be treated like toilet paper.
106 posted on 01/09/2013 10:45:23 AM PST by novemberslady
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To: Vendome
They make up any statistic they damned well want us to believe so it doesn’t matter what the truth is anyway!
107 posted on 01/09/2013 10:46:37 AM PST by kcvl
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To: Jane Long

108 posted on 01/09/2013 10:48:16 AM PST by Red Steel
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To: hummingbird

How about all of the lives that are lost as a result of The Incompetent One voting 3 times to deny medical care to a baby that survives an abortion? Hmmmm?


109 posted on 01/09/2013 10:49:15 AM PST by Marathoner 244
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To: All

Does anyone know if an American President can legally issue an executive order that violates the constitution?


110 posted on 01/09/2013 10:50:34 AM PST by warsaw44
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To: grumpygresh
Most State's Constitutions provide more protections to “keep and bear arms” than the 2nd Amendment of the US Constitution. For instance, the Michigan Const. of 1963, Article I, Section 6 states:

“Every person has a right to keep and bear arms for the defense of himself and the state.”

Each State could “nullify” any Executive Order or Federal Congressional law under Article 9 and 10 of the US Constitution!

It would appear that nothing the US Supreme Court found in both Heller decision and the McDonald v Chicago decision the right to keep and bear arms is an [individual] protected right, not a collective State right!

Any gun confiscation EO or Legislative Bill will be met by a second American revolution with only 1/3 of the American people fighting to protect their natural right of self defense, just like the first revolution when only 1/3 fought against the British military!

The first revolution started when he British marched to Concord to seize guns and ammo, so will the second revolution because most Americans simply refuse to learn from history and history must be repeated!

Keep your heads down, fight on your ground not on the Freddy’s. Get your families together right now and make plans to keep them safe and learn how to fight in small teams that can disburse quickly in hit and run tactics. Never let the enemy sleep, eat, or feel secure! Harass them until they either back off, leave your area or simply give up!

NEVER SURRENDER, NEVER SURRENDER!

111 posted on 01/09/2013 10:51:16 AM PST by paratrooper82 (82nd ABN Div. 1/508th BN "Fiery From the Sky")
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To: Missouri gal
Since Obamaboyking had the autopen sign the "fiscal cliff" legislation so he could go out and play (and fallback to say "HE personally never signed a tax increase"), can the autopen be used to sign legislation while he's playing on the links that he might not otherwise approve?

We are ruled by an electronic pen now. Forget about the fencepost turtle.

112 posted on 01/09/2013 10:53:43 AM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: warsaw44
There have been exactly two Executive Orders that were over turned by the Courts. One was Truman's, the other was one of Clinton's.

And yes, if he tries to enact gun control via executive order... It violates the Constitutions express limits on his power.

113 posted on 01/09/2013 10:53:43 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Sine ullo desiderio vive et ama.... Carpe diem.)
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To: Jewbacca
"Someone needs to point out there are about 350 deaths per year from long guns, of which, probably 30 or 40 are from rifles with high-capacity magazines."

Someone, anyone, should be quoting the the FBI statistics on how many weapons are used every year to stop the bad guys. I read here and other sites about a citizen stopping a home invasion every day. Who on our side ever discusses those stats?

Our side talks about the 2nd Amendment, but rarely points out how many innocent decent citizens protect themselves on a daily basis. The last FBI stats I read showed many more defending themselves with weapons in one year than all the horrific mass shootings, not to mention the gangsters in Chicago (530 deaths in 2012), Detroit, Philly, et al.

Come get my simple home-defense weapons, Biden/Bambi. Go for it. Just try an Executive Order and see if anyone obeys your totalitarian directives. This is NOT 1936 Germany. We are a different culture.

114 posted on 01/09/2013 10:53:52 AM PST by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever.)
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To: kcvl

The courts will not uphold this. They know it is the end of their power if they allow the POTUS to become a dictator. They will protect their powers.


115 posted on 01/09/2013 10:54:07 AM PST by LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
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To: Mastador1
Lincoln pulled this kind of crap and became a hero for it. Turned the guns on those who tried to lawfully seceed .I am sure in this day and age it will go down even easier than it did back in in the 1860's.

Gun control is Manifest Destiny and not a shot will be fired it will slip in on little cats feet like the fog in the night

116 posted on 01/09/2013 10:54:32 AM PST by KTM rider ( , you'd be lucky to get= $7....LOL !)
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To: kcvl

No he cannot.

He is not a member of the LEGISLATIVE branch.

The President cannot enact laws. Only the LEGISLATIVE branch can do that.

If he tries this, he is no better than a dictator.


117 posted on 01/09/2013 10:57:43 AM PST by Theo (May Christ be exalted above all.)
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To: kcvl

He can do what he wants. We’re all going to be making our own executive decisions regarding this as well.

It is a moral issue and it deals with tyranny, and creating law to turn law-abiding people they can’t touch into criminals so they can go after them. This country is free because we are an armed populous. Plain and simple and every dictator around the world knows it. Tyrants only remain in power because they’ve disarmed the peons and they can’t fight back.


118 posted on 01/09/2013 10:59:01 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: warsaw44
Abraham Lincoln

declared war against the oppressed states who legally seceeded, blockaded their ports seized their assets, forced the south into firing the first shot

declared the Emancipation Proclomation

probably 99% of the freepers think Lincoln is a hero and adore him, even my idol Mark Levin adores that rat basterd Stincoln

119 posted on 01/09/2013 10:59:24 AM PST by KTM rider ( , you'd be lucky to get= $7....LOL !)
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To: Biggirl
"As I said so often, in a predicting manner, this could very well be a “flashpoint” to a possibl future civil war."

You could be right. If so it won't be hard to tell what side is what.
We will be the one with the GUNS.
They will have sling shots and knives. . . . .

120 posted on 01/09/2013 10:59:36 AM PST by DeaconRed (The problem In Germany started when Hitler took the GUNS. The Fork did not eat the pie.)
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To: Mortrey

disarm criminals , hell they can;t or wont check to see about who should be legally voting.

The left and most folks today think rights come from Govt, homo rights, cross dressing rights, abortion right right, etc, no our rights come from the constitution which the left hates as it stops them from forcing all their agenda.

2nd amendment is udner attack
the 10th amendment has been under attack
the first amendment has been underattack, making churches and employers pay for abortion, contraception, accepting cross dressing turd feces pokers, all against freedom of religion.

WHERE THE HELL IS OUR SIDE ON THIS AND OTHER AMENDMENTS, stop this reaching out and go out and frigging fight for once, that is what you were voted to do.

As for those idiots in those blue states which voted for this and has a gun then this shows how frigging dumb you lot are.


121 posted on 01/09/2013 10:59:44 AM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Gaffer

The 2nd Amendment says “arms” not “firearms”.

“Arms” can include light sabers, whiffle bats, sharp sticks, 40-watt plasma rifles, etc. Think outside the box.


122 posted on 01/09/2013 11:02:03 AM PST by Biff55 (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets.)
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To: Biggirl

if the left want their socialist utoia then they shoudl move and move back to teir liberal crap holes and set their country up near the Canadian border.

Leave us alone down here and parts of the midwest and AK, to hell with the left wing scum and their elitist media pals and those fools on our side which keep reaching out


123 posted on 01/09/2013 11:02:18 AM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: kcvl

FUBO!/FUJB!


124 posted on 01/09/2013 11:02:45 AM PST by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: Mastador1
Well i would like to think we could manage a resolution short of the Framers ultimate insurance policy.

6,000,000 Jews liked to think that they would ultimately be left alone to live peaceful lives.

The problem is that you already voted your likes...and you lost.

125 posted on 01/09/2013 11:04:11 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: kcvl
I want to help, so I'll word Obama's executive order for him.

I, President Okenya, hereby issue this Executive Order, to be in effect immediately:

"All firearms are hereby banned and illegal to possess. I am ordering all sworn police officers to immediately suspend the enforcement of general laws, and to concentrate on confiscating weapons from their owners. Anyone resisting the police is to be summarily executed, and I, President Okenya, and my State, shall stand behind the officer.

So let it be written. So let it be done."

126 posted on 01/09/2013 11:04:14 AM PST by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: DeaconRed
We have become a nation of well fed pussies

this will go down and Obama will be a national hero, they will erect a staue of him next to Lincoln, Obamas staue will have one hand on Lincolns arm and the other hand with that one hand "got soemthing in my eye" salute that he is so famous for

127 posted on 01/09/2013 11:09:49 AM PST by KTM rider ( , you'd be lucky to get= $7....LOL !)
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To: Enterprise

You forgot “Praise be to Allah” at the end.

LOL.


128 posted on 01/09/2013 11:12:12 AM PST by Biff55 (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets.)
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To: Biff55

Of course, naturally...my bad...


129 posted on 01/09/2013 11:12:12 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: kcvl
Article IV Section 4 says "The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government..."

An executive order on the people of the United States violates the Republican Form of Government because the order is not the result of representative legislation.

-PJ

130 posted on 01/09/2013 11:18:41 AM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: Biff55

Dammit! I KNEW I forgot something!


131 posted on 01/09/2013 11:19:06 AM PST by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: kcvl

Does anyone think it odd that after action taken by his minions that would allow der 0berFuhrer emperor Hussein 0bama to serve unlimited terms, that he wants to seize our weapons?


132 posted on 01/09/2013 11:20:41 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty (It's not "gun control"! It's "people control"!)
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To: onedoug

got mine flying on the vehicles and in the front yard.

To hell with these socialists who come down here or want their socialist state to be pushing their agenda onto us.

The amount of times I;ve met these socialists moving ere and are surprised we can have fires in our yards, we can shoot in our yards we have and carry guns, or if they see hunters and then get all shocked.
screw them.
If they don;t like the flag they can piss off too


133 posted on 01/09/2013 11:21:10 AM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Gaffer

saw a white van yesterday in town with massive letters on it saying get the feds out of Dixie.

To hell with their socialist agenda


134 posted on 01/09/2013 11:23:25 AM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Red Badger

I like the picture, but wood chippers are faster and more efficient.


135 posted on 01/09/2013 11:23:39 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty (It's not "gun control"! It's "people control"!)
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To: KTM rider

EXACTLY

The feds back then forced the first shot and got what they wanted and it seems bozo and his socialists are doing the same.

Well my battle flag flies as I type this in the yard and on the vehicles too and if those liberal ass holes don;t like it then tough they can move back


136 posted on 01/09/2013 11:26:51 AM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: kcvl

That would be an act of war.

It’s unconstitutional. Only the Congress can make a law. The right to bear arms shall not be infringed. We can not have our property seized without due process.

How is it that the US Constitution protects illegal aliens, mentally handicapped, Islamic terrorists and other human debris, but not me?

How is it that the US Constitution empowers our government and disempowers the American people?


137 posted on 01/09/2013 11:28:05 AM PST by Tzimisce (The American Revolution began when the British attempted to disarm the Colonists.)
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To: kcvl

From wikipedia:

To date, U.S. courts have overturned only two executive orders: the aforementioned Truman order, and a 1995 order issued by President Clinton that attempted to prevent the federal government from contracting with organizations that had strike-breakers on the payroll.[8] Congress was able to overturn an executive order by passing legislation in conflict with it during the period of 1939 to 1983 until the Supreme Court ruled in Immigration and Naturalization Service v. Chadha that the “legislative veto” represented “the exercise of legislative power” without “bicameral passage followed by presentment to the President.”[9] The loss of the legislative veto has caused Congress to look for alternative measures to override executive orders such as refusing to approve funding necessary to carry out certain policy measures contained with the order or to legitimize policy mechanisms. In the former, the president retains the power to veto such a decision; however, the Congress may override a veto with a two-thirds majority to end an executive order. It has been argued that a Congressional override of an executive order is a nearly impossible event due to the supermajority vote required and the fact that such a vote leaves individual lawmakers very vulnerable to political criticism.


138 posted on 01/09/2013 11:30:58 AM PST by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: DonkeyBonker

Some will.

Probably a disturbingly-large percentage.


139 posted on 01/09/2013 11:31:31 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: KTM rider

he has the media and because of the media he has been made a frigging hero to the great unwashed.

Blacks still come out and vote for him though they are in more of a worse state.
idiot yankee liberals still vote for him because they watch the view and think homo’s should have rights but gun owners who protect their families should not, hell they do not even know where the rights come from anymore.

At least once a week I sit down wiht my kids and go over where our rights come from and what is right and wrong, the issue of homo’s came up last week and I asked them to ask anyone who states they should have all these special rights to show them where in the constitution.

If anyone states guns are the problem then tell them why is my SIG just sitting there not harming anyone.

Funny when a media sheep obama voter finds out I have guns they become surprised and shut up because they think all gun owners live in dumps, have no teeth etc.
Hell I have one of the nicest houses around here and when neighbors have their family visiting them we see them staring at my battle flag and look surprised LOL


140 posted on 01/09/2013 11:32:49 AM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: kcvl; Dead Corpse

Does anyone have any idea what this reported Executive Order is going to say? I mean, actual information and not panicked, paranoid speculation?


141 posted on 01/09/2013 11:37:37 AM PST by Mr. Know It All
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To: kcvl

An executive order that conflicts with the Constitution of the United States? Even Clinton would never have gone that far. I hope the response to Obama is exactly what he deserves - nonviolent but unwavering and perpetual opposition to totalitarian evil.


142 posted on 01/09/2013 11:41:37 AM PST by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Mr. Know It All

Nope. Only what Biden said in that interview. That they’d bypass Congress to implement gun control.


143 posted on 01/09/2013 11:43:13 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Sine ullo desiderio vive et ama.... Carpe diem.)
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To: Pollster1
Clinton did. Look up Executive Order 12954. It was overturned.

Zero will do what he wants. After all, who's gonna stop him?

144 posted on 01/09/2013 11:45:50 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Sine ullo desiderio vive et ama.... Carpe diem.)
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To: HogsBreath
Smells like someone died . . . "
145 posted on 01/09/2013 11:46:19 AM PST by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever.u)
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To: apillar

The silence from Red State governors tells me something. Now would be a good time to pray.


146 posted on 01/09/2013 11:51:09 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: SampleMan
"Gun control saves lives."



Go ahead Biden, tell her. I dare you.

147 posted on 01/09/2013 11:52:22 AM PST by SpaceBar
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To: Dead Corpse
they’d bypass Congress to implement gun control.

Well seems like the leaders in many of the states are in the process of implementing gun control right now.
And with their help Obama has already bypassed congress.

He's running quite a dog and pony show
with a little help from his friends...
148 posted on 01/09/2013 12:00:16 PM PST by novemberslady
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To: Jack Hydrazine

If an astrologer said it, you can be sure they were told it by Satan or one of his minions.

So the question is, why did Satan want that said on a national radio show?


149 posted on 01/09/2013 12:00:47 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (Don't worry about the cliff. We're going to all land on some rich guy's wallet.)
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To: Mr. Silverback

It is a form of astrology but based on science.

He explains it more here.
http://www.accessbest.com/merlin/timetrak.htm


150 posted on 01/09/2013 12:04:09 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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