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WHY GOVERNMENT SCHOOLS ARE OUR MAIN PROBLEM
Vanity | 1/8/2013 | Dick Bachert

Posted on 01/08/2013 11:10:15 AM PST by Dick Bachert

A story that plays into where we are now bears recitation. I’m working from memory here and some of the details may not be precisely correct but the take away message has stuck with me all these years.

In August, 1977, a small church in Louisville, Nebraska – Faith Baptist – was raided by armed agents of the state Department of Education for running a Christian school. The ostensible reason for the raid was that they were NOT adhering to the state “requirement” that ALL schools and teachers be “certified” by the state. A judge issued an order that the school be closed. They remained open and the raid ensued. The teachers and 17 students children were terrorized as they were held at gunpoint on the floor. The pastor, one Everett Sileven, was arrested and held in jail for some time.

Public pressure forced his release and he began a crusade the effects of which are still felt today in the Christian and home school communities.

Here’s the take away message about which I have the clearest memory: Pastor Sileven appeared on a TV debate program to defend his church school. Also there was an official of the Nebraska Department of Education. At one point, either the moderator or Pastor Siliven turned to the school bureaucrat and asked the real reason why the state had such a problem with their small church school?

Without missing a beat, through a sneer anyone who has visited the DMV will recognize, the bureaucrat declared (and I’m paraphrasing): “Because you are denying the state schools needed money. And because you are educating children outside the public school system, in the world we’re designing for the future, THEY WON’T FIT IN!”

Dwell on those last 4 words for a moment. If you’re curious about just what that world they were designing might look like, LOOK AROUND.

You’re living in it!!


TOPICS: Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: chat; education; indoctrination; schools; vanity
Until the few remaining sane adults get a handle on THIS problem, nothing else we do will turn the tide of millions of new little socialists they're loosing on the nation.
1 posted on 01/08/2013 11:10:28 AM PST by Dick Bachert
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To: Dick Bachert

Yup. I voted in our local High School. I live in a rock sold GOP bastion. Classes were going on and some girls walked by screaming “Obama”. Sad.


2 posted on 01/08/2013 11:13:47 AM PST by MattinNJ (It's over Johnny.)
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To: Dick Bachert

That is positively chilling. And very illuminating.


3 posted on 01/08/2013 11:19:13 AM PST by cld51860 (Oderint dum metuant)
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To: Dick Bachert

This country’s public schools are the cesspool depots of socialist propaganda, run by the largest socialist organizations, the teachers’ unions.


4 posted on 01/08/2013 11:22:26 AM PST by NY Cajun
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To: Dick Bachert

Public school is child abuse.


5 posted on 01/08/2013 11:27:00 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Dick Bachert

After what happened at Sandy Hook, parents really must start to think about putting their kids where their kids will be safe.

Private schools have armed personal, home schools are safe, but public schools have shown themselves to be places that are very unsafe for kids.

Look, I know that I am no smarter than our members of Congress, I know I am no smarter than Barak Hussien Obama, I know that most governors are every bit as smart, if not smarter than me, as are the majority of members of state Legislatures, Sheriffs, Police, Courts and Media. So, it only stands to reason that if I am smart enough to know that by making schools gun free zones, by making it illegal for anyone who works for the schools to be armed, it is only inviting criminals and evil doers, so are they.

Yet, the politicians, the police, the media, the courts, all have done their part to make sure that when a crazed killer wants to attack a school there will be no one there to interfere with his, her, or their evil deed. These sheriffs, those police, courts, politicians and media are just as guilty, just as responsible for the deaths of those twenty 5 and 6 year olds as are the killer(s). And I for one will no longer hold them harmless.

But, what about you, where do you draw the line? Where do you say “ENOUGH!”? How many more kids have to die before you realize that the politicians, the police, the media, the courts don’t care about the kids, they are using them for political gain.


6 posted on 01/08/2013 11:28:45 AM PST by Matthew10 (I learned war by reading 1 Samuel chapter 15.)
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To: Navy Patriot

It really is child abuse. Some people served prison time for exposing children to the advanced sexual materials (once called pornography) that schools now mandate for children.


7 posted on 01/08/2013 11:30:44 AM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Dick Bachert

Breaking up the left’s monopoly of the education system from Kindergarten through graduate and professional schools should be the number one long-term priority of the conservative movement. That is where the war will be won or lost.


8 posted on 01/08/2013 11:31:36 AM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
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To: Dick Bachert

Remember that “Body by Fisher” emblem that GM used to put on their junkmobiles?

It’s just about as trustworthy as “certification” of an individual whose education wouldn’t allow them to dig ditches a century ago.

New idea: You want to teach children science? Try using someone who has real degrees - in some science. You want history? How about someone who has actually majored in history from a real college (e.g., NOT Harvard/etc.)?

Yes, I know there are many great teachers out there (”teachers”...not “educators”).

However, none are great because of the junk which was force fed to them when they were being “certified”.


9 posted on 01/08/2013 11:32:55 AM PST by Da Coyote
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To: Dick Bachert
I have come to believe that the communist indoctrination centers called public schools ARE the root cause of most of our problems today.
10 posted on 01/08/2013 11:34:43 AM PST by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: Matthew10

The World Health Organization, (that highly touted globalist outfit) has rated the various nations on the numbers of murders per 100,000 population; and the U.S. is really on the bottom of the list in numbers murdered. ALL those who rated higher and much higher than the U.S. either banned guns or had strict “gun control” laws.


11 posted on 01/08/2013 11:55:11 AM PST by Twinkie (The earth is the Lord's, and the fullness thereof; the world and they that dwell therein. Ps. 24:1)
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To: NY Cajun

I believe that If public schools were outlawed tomorrow, the education of all American kids would start to improve immediately at all levels, and that all society should organize around a parent or aunt/uncle providing home schooling through high school.

Looking at the college entrance exams of 150-200 years ago, when there were few public schools, shows how far we have fallen. We could not do worse than the education that the typical inner city kid gets today.

A question to my fellow conservatives: in the extremely unlikely chance that that would ever happen, should the government provide a voucher to parents for each kid’s home school curriculum/books?


12 posted on 01/08/2013 12:33:35 PM PST by Kurios Iesous
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To: SoftballMominVA; verga; shag377

Here we go again..................


13 posted on 01/08/2013 12:34:41 PM PST by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: Dick Bachert

My Son will graduate from a Christian high school this May. He’s been in a Christian school since kindergarten. Christian schools, in my experience, aren’t a panacea. It’s a real meat and potatoes education. Limited foreign language classes. Limited art classes including music. Shop and auto shop? Nope. His math teacher for algebra and geometry has a math degree from a great private college. She couldn’t teach fish to swim. We had to send him to Sylvan to help him with math. Athletics turned out to be horrible. The coaches all want to coach somewhere else, so they focus on one kid to try and get him a college scholarship so they can add that to their resume. The best grade school basketball players in my son’s class have all quit playing basketball because the team was so messed up. The school board selects the new board members. They are so good, the school will begin bankruptcy proceedings at the end of this month. There are good points. A troublemaker is gone right away. They do have chapel every week. No homosexuals. We paid property taxes to support the public schools and we paid tuition for him to attend a private school. We also had to pay Sylvan to bring him up to standards in math.


14 posted on 01/08/2013 12:37:00 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Navy Patriot

I agree. It is child abuse.


15 posted on 01/08/2013 12:37:18 PM PST by Truth2012
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To: Dick Bachert
Until the few remaining sane adults get a handle on THIS problem, nothing else we do will turn the tide of millions of new little socialists they're loosing on the nation.

Public schools are deconstructing America. Most of this nation's problems are incubated in the public school system.

16 posted on 01/08/2013 12:39:46 PM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: MileHi

Wow...GMTA.


17 posted on 01/08/2013 12:41:31 PM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Dick Bachert

The Prussian system is designed to destroy Christian Ethics and condition children to engage in group think and be afraid to be different than the “herd”. They implant moral relativism “feel good, do it” which destroys character and perseverance.

Schools now conditions children into dependency in all aspects of life and collectivism—group math, group everything. (They are conditioned into slavery-—being told what to think and what to do for eight hours a day). Individualism is demeaned-—thinking differently (un-PC) is demeaned. Institutionalization of children teaches them an artificial reality——one which removes them from Natural Laws and Common Sense. They can’t “think” the way Lincoln did who was principled and NOT a GROUP THINKER-—which is the only thing public schools produce.

They are put with their own age group, so the smart are kept down—and the others feel dumb. One Room school houses let children work at their individual rates where they had older, more mature behavior to emulate. Taking children away from family, removes mature models of behavior= and the public schools expose them to horrid, immature behaviors of peers that could never happen in home without TV. Inculcating immaturity is the most prevalent activity of public schools.

They destroy smart intelligent thinkers outside the box-—on purpose. Isolate them—target them—humiliate them— and drug them. Even expert, good teachers can not protect the children from being laughed at—and the system is set up to humiliate those who do not conform to group think.

No sane person should put any child in the inhumane Prussian system designed—as Pastor Bonhoeffer’s mother stated—to break the independence and morality of the children. She refused to let her kids set into them until they were 8 years old-—so the State would have a harder time destroying their family morality since Germany took God out of their schools way earlier than the USA.

We need government out of education-—they will only make slaves for the State (JS Mill). We need local control of all education (Constitutional)—and burn all public school curricula and get back the original McGuffey Readers’ content. (The Classics and the Bible-—where wisdom, reason and logic-—and an understanding of Human Nature occurred— and Virtue was instilled into the children like our schools did prior to that sick watered-down, stupid curricula of John Dewey (the Fabian Socialist).


18 posted on 01/08/2013 12:42:32 PM PST by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: who knows what evil?

Indeed. Wish I had a clue how to turn it around. Outlaw public unions for starters. But they are too well funded by us. So we have to fund both sides of the fight.


19 posted on 01/08/2013 12:51:58 PM PST by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: Dick Bachert

You might enjoy:

Against School*
John Taylor Gatto**
How public education cripples our kids, and why

http://www.wesjones.com/gatto1.htm

From the same author:
An Underground History of American Education:
http://mhkeehn.tripod.com/ughoae.pdf

Infiltration of the education system was one of the main goals of the cultural marxists.


20 posted on 01/08/2013 12:58:41 PM PST by khelus
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To: blueunicorn6

There are good ones and not so good ones. If you BOTH didn’t need to work to support your lifestyle, why didn’t you devote the 3 hours a day (or more if you wished to) that the government schools are on record as providing in ACTUAL INSTRUCTION and LEARNING by HOME SCHOOLING HIM??

Just askin’


21 posted on 01/08/2013 1:01:09 PM PST by Dick Bachert (An ARMED society is a POLITE society!)
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To: savagesusie

See post # 20

Gatto agrees with you.


22 posted on 01/08/2013 1:06:23 PM PST by khelus
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To: Dick Bachert

The “public school”, including the “charter school”, is BY FAR, the largest, most expensive, most subversive, and most destructive entitlement program in the country.

The “public school” is better understood as the “government school collective”.

It is silly to imagine that you can fix the public schools, because the very concept itself is collectivist.

Any child that comes out of the government school collective with their moral compass and common sense intact does so in spite of the government school indoctrination, not because of it.

If you want to win the culture war, have lots of children (see my tagline) and homeschool them or form your own school cooperative with your church or synagogue and like-minded friends and relatives.

Nobody loves your children more than you do.

Nobody can teach your children better than you can.

Nobody knows your children better than you do.

Your children would love nothing better than to be taught by you, if you start doing so before they are corrupted by the government school collective.

It is hypocritical for you to submit your children to an authority with whom you fundamentally disagree. And your children will know it.

If you have children, make whatever sacrifices you must to get them out of the public schools.

DO NOT FEED THE BEAST!

Especially not with your own children.

And DO NOT TAKE GOVERNMENT “EDUCATION” MONEY!

He that pays the piper calls the tune, and that’s especially true for any government entitlement program.


23 posted on 01/08/2013 1:25:34 PM PST by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: Matthew10; shag377; Gabz; SoftballMominVA
After what happened at Sandy Hook, parents really must start to think about putting their kids where their kids will be safe.

Does this mean we should not send our children to Malls/ shopping centers, Movies, or even churches?

24 posted on 01/08/2013 1:29:32 PM PST by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: khelus

Bought the book—”An Underground History of American Education” 10 years ago.....Gatto is the reason I studied curricula and John Dewey and the Prussian system= Great Thinker and good man-—although I think Gatto at the time of his book, that I read, didn’t think Dewey was intentionally trying to destroy the school system.

I think it was intentional because Dewey was a Fabian Socialist. Also, I just read “John Dewey and the Decline of American Education; How the Patron Saint of Schools has corrupted Teaching and Learning” by Henry T Edmondson III. It is well sourced, also. BK Eakman and Charlotte Iserbyt make a strong case for “intentional” also.


25 posted on 01/08/2013 1:54:08 PM PST by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: Dick Bachert
Good memory:

From this thread:

Peter Hoaglund - former Nebraska Senator and Humanist member of the Nebraska Board of Education said this in 1983 … “Fundamentalists have no right to indoctrinate their children in their beliefs. We are preparing their children for the year 2000 and life in a global one-world society and those children will not fit in!”

John Dunphy in The Humanist 1983 said “The battle for man-kind's future must be won in the classroom by teachers who correctly perceive their role as proselytizers of a new faith that will replace Christianity.”

I also found this video, which has content referencing the quote you mentioned.

26 posted on 01/08/2013 1:59:03 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Westbrook

Excellent Advice! It is absolutely true! John Stuart Mill stated that government schools will only make slaves for the State. Every time!

Never allow government to shape the worldview of your children. They want ‘group thinkers’—in other words, children who are ruled by emotions, will go along with the herd, and have their intellect full of mush and half-truths so they will be irrational-—and fall for whatever the government will tell them-—the Ministry of Truth.

We were warned in 1948 and Brave New World, but no one listened because they were being amused by ‘bread and circuses’ and had no time to tend to the real education of their own children.


27 posted on 01/08/2013 2:07:50 PM PST by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: Dick Bachert
You are right. Dr. Sileven was right. The judge even called Dr. Sileven from the jail one night to his chambers attempting to get him to compromise. The pastor refused. Most or all of those families left Nebraska for a while in a kind of exile, as the education authorities knew who they were, and would have kept after them, perhaps even taken the children into custody.

Decorated veteran Tim Lee, who lost both legs in Viet Nam, went to Faith Baptist Church, in full-dress Marine uniform, with pastors from around the country, and personally defied the authorities, cutting the state's padlock off the church. Brother Lee and the pastors went inside and held a worship service.

Public pressure prevented the authorities from stopping Brother Lee and the pastors, and things began to change in Nebraska.

28 posted on 01/08/2013 2:21:34 PM PST by John Leland 1789
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To: blueunicorn6
Christian schools, in my experience, aren’t a panacea. It’s a real meat and potatoes education.
Limited foreign language classes.

That's rather sad; foreign languages are rather fun -- and learning different languages can/does impact the way you think because of the different approach to expressing thought (especially if you get to the point of thinking in that language, hardly likely in a 'limited' context). {I took Japanese, myself.}

Limited art classes including music.

That's a shame; in classical Christianity art was considered beautiful because God is beautiful, it's also rather telling that one of the Communist goals for undermining the US was to take over the arts and promote the ugly & debased as art.

And that's completely overlooking the fact that God is creative, literally and figuratively. (Video clip.)

Shop and auto shop? Nope.

Also a shame -- why do you think that people think that firearms, a fifteenth-century technology, require specialized tools? I would venture to say that it is because most have not been taught to work with their hands (i.e. shop class).

29 posted on 01/08/2013 2:26:59 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: verga; SoftballMominVA; Gabz

Eh. I am done I think. No matter what I do, it is an abomination to the majority of the ed threads that quickly degenerate into homeschool vs any other form of ecucation.

Until there is a chance for real discussion with conservatives, I am going to watch from the sidelines. The one person who refused to engage in fair debate has admitted defeat by refusing to engage any of us in fair discussion.

Besides, I have students who need me, in my classroom, and need my expertise in Latin.


30 posted on 01/08/2013 4:21:31 PM PST by shag377 (Don't get mad at me when I play your game by your rules, and I win.)
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To: shag377; Gabz; verga

Too many here do not want to have a discussion, they want a paper scapegoat.


31 posted on 01/08/2013 6:34:18 PM PST by SoftballMominVA
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To: SoftballMominVA

They don’t even want that — they want a pure echo chamber.


32 posted on 01/08/2013 7:31:04 PM PST by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: savagesusie
Bought the book—”An Underground History of American Education” 10 years ago.....Gatto is the reason I studied curricula and John Dewey and the Prussian system= Great Thinker and good man-—although I think Gatto at the time of his book, that I read, didn’t think Dewey was intentionally trying to destroy the school system.

I think it was intentional because Dewey was a Fabian Socialist. Also, I just read “John Dewey and the Decline of American Education; How the Patron Saint of Schools has corrupted Teaching and Learning” by Henry T Edmondson III. It is well sourced, also. BK Eakman and Charlotte Iserbyt make a strong case for “intentional” also.


Thanks for your response.

I agree that the destruction was intentional, part of the treachery of Fabian Socialism and its heir Cultural Marxism.

I have read Iserbyt, but Eakman and Edmonson are new to me. Thanks for the references.
33 posted on 01/09/2013 6:53:27 AM PST by khelus
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To: khelus

Yes. I firmly believe it was intentional-—as they used Hegelian Dialectics to “progress” to the legal system and “educational” systems we have now——to actually destroy the minds of children and remove all Rationality from Rule of Law. There is no “Right Reason” concept from Natural Law-—in our Legal system. We have irrational, faulty logic which says Vice is Virtue now.

We have-——totally flipped “Good and Evil” and replaced Christian Ethics with Satanic/occult/unjustice (Vice) in the majority of the new generation-—exactly in the methods Lenin (who was Pavlov’s student and friend at one point) used-—total control of public schools and putting mother’s into the work force to be taxed and controlled and away from young children so they can be brainwashed into what “normal” is. MSM (Glee type programs promoting Evil as Good) teach morality to the children—the Marxist ideal—”feel good, do it because it IS good”-—which will collapse Western Civilization which was based on Christian Ethics. Freedom can not exist without Public Virtue which is the only reason to have schools—to promote Virtue (Western Civilization since Socrates-—until John Dewey and John Austin’s ideas kicked out Natural Law Theory-—basis of US Legal System.

What really gets me-—are these ignorant school teachers who allow the sexualization of Kindergarten children. (Jerry Brown promotes sodomy in Kindergarden and “heroes” such as Harvey Milk who was an actual pederast and advocated Man/Boy sex).

Every human being should know the importance of innocence in young children— so children can form normally and not be perverted.

All Sex ED was designed by Cultural Marxists and put in the public schools in 1970 to destroy Virtue (necessary for Freedom).

Lukacs-—the mind of a Marxist, who is exactly like our President and Jerry Brown:

http://smashabanana.blogspot.com/2011/06/gyorgy-lukacs-we-will-ruin-mankind-one.html


34 posted on 01/09/2013 12:19:09 PM PST by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: verga

You can send yu kids any where you want to send them, but, other than schools, you can go with them and be armed.

As for me and mine, where they/we are there are guns.


35 posted on 01/09/2013 2:32:13 PM PST by Matthew10 (I learned war by reading 1 Samuel chapter 15.)
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To: Twinkie

So, even the UN knows that taking guns from people does not reduce crime, yet they continue to push for gun control, registration and grabbing in the US, ever wonder why?

Did you listen to Rush today talking about pedophiles? Could that be one of the reasons they want us without guns?

Slapping a dirty old man or dirty old woman with a purse simply does not have the deterrent effect as a 12 gauge with double ought buck.


36 posted on 01/09/2013 2:32:27 PM PST by Matthew10 (I learned war by reading 1 Samuel chapter 15.)
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To: Matthew10

I keep looking back at my grandfather and great-grandfather. My great-grandfather worked as a light keeper (refueling, maintenance) along the shores of the Tennessee River. He carried (openly) a Smith & Wesson pistol. He lived in Realville, where all sorts of rough sorts cruised up and down the river and robbed, beat and killed any they could catch unaware who were visiting from Fantasyland. - He never had to shoot anybody to my knowledge.


37 posted on 01/10/2013 10:17:48 AM PST by Twinkie (The earth is the Lord's, and the fullness thereof; the world and they that dwell therein. Ps. 24:1)
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To: Twinkie

I’ll bet he knew how to use his hands real well? An unafraid man who steps right in often blows away the safety zone a miscreant thinks a weapon gives them...


38 posted on 01/10/2013 10:24:42 AM PST by fattigermaster
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To: Twinkie

Funny you mention grandfathers, I have my grandfathers old H&R.


39 posted on 01/11/2013 6:09:29 AM PST by Matthew10 (You can't use what you don't know)
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To: Dick Bachert
“... And because you are educating children outside the public school system, in the world we’re designing for the future, THEY WON’T FIT IN!”” ( from the article)
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Dick,

I am very concerned. Our nation's socialist-entitlement, single-payer, and compulsory schools are becoming more prison-like every year. Since the latest shooting it will only get worse. Children are now being **arrested**, handcuffed, and taken to the police station for behavior that was once seen as a learning opportunity and handled quietly within the school.

If the government treats children like prisoners, the risk is that we will raise up a population of citizens who are **comfortable** being prisoners of the government.

What will be the consequences for the future of freedom in our nation?

Why aren't conservatives so BLIND to the danger of government schooling. It must be shut down.

40 posted on 01/19/2013 5:28:26 AM PST by wintertime
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To: Matthew10

Our homeschool was NOT a gun free zone. :-)


41 posted on 01/19/2013 5:31:04 AM PST by wintertime
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To: Behind the Blue Wall
Breaking up the left’s monopoly of the education system from Kindergarten through graduate and professional schools should be the number one long-term priority of the conservative movement.
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Indeed, it must be! I am on the Internet almost daily urging conservatives to WAKE UP!

Government schools are one of our most serious threats to freedom. We must SHUT THEM DOWN!

( Yeah! I am shouting, jumping up and down, and having a fit. Why are conservatives asleep to the danger?)

42 posted on 01/19/2013 6:09:20 AM PST by wintertime
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To: savagesusie

Yes. I firmly believe it was intentional-—as they used Hegelian Dialectics to “progress” to the legal system and “educational” systems we have now——to actually destroy the minds of children and remove all Rationality from Rule of Law. There is no “Right Reason” concept from Natural Law-—in our Legal system. We have irrational, faulty logic which says Vice is Virtue now.
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Any subject whose title is followed by the word “Education” should raise red flags to any conservative.

And.....We now have a nation sooooo befuddled that they put Obama into office. Yuri Besmenov called it “demoralization”.


43 posted on 01/19/2013 6:12:27 AM PST by wintertime
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To: American in Israel
It really is child abuse.
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It is child abuse. Our parents, grand parents, and great grandparents wouldn't have had any trouble calling it what it is .

Unfortunately, Yuri Besmenov was right. We are now demoralized nation. Our citizens can no longer tell up from down or good from evil. The government schools have been nearly 100% successful in their mission.

44 posted on 01/19/2013 6:15:48 AM PST by wintertime
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To: Da Coyote
Yes, I know there are many great teachers out there (”teachers”...not “educators”).
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They are not great.

Great teachers would never work for an institution that uses the threat of police action to **force** children into godless and socialist-model K-12 schools.

Great teachers would NEVER force children to think and reason godlessly, as children must just to cooperate in the godless school.

Great teachers would NEVER force children into a socialist-model, single-payer school where the children risk learning to be comfortable with socialism. Gee! If the socialist-model school can give them tuition-free schooling, why not use government force to get **lots** of free stuff.

Great teachers would NEVER support a system that uses the threat of police action to force taxpayers to pay for the godless and socialist indoctrination of children.

Personally, I have never met a “great” government teacher. I have met only evil, stupid, or Useful Idiot teachers. And...I have made a personal decision. I will not have one for a friend. ( I don't have abortion workers for friends either.)

45 posted on 01/19/2013 6:23:52 AM PST by wintertime
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