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Madison never meant Second Amendment to allow guns of Sandy Hook shooting
Christian Science Monitor ^ | December 17, 2012 | Aaron Burger

Posted on 12/17/2012 10:58:16 AM PST by ConservativeStatement

Following the tragic shooting at the Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn. by Adam Lanza , many Americans are wondering what exactly our Founding Fathers intended when they set the Second Amendment to paper more than 200 years ago. Surely not the killing of 20 young children and six women.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: banglist; constitution; foundingfathers; guncontrol; gunfreezone; guns; jamesmadison; madison; mediabias; mediabiass; newtown; sandyhook; secondamendment
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Another step in the intended destruction of the Constitution.
1 posted on 12/17/2012 10:58:23 AM PST by ConservativeStatement
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To: ConservativeStatement
Madison never meant Second Amendment to allow guns of Sandy Hook shooting...

No, I believe the second amendment was to PREVENT such events.

2 posted on 12/17/2012 11:02:18 AM PST by The Bard (http://www.myfbc.com)
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To: ConservativeStatement

oh goody more stupid people telling me what Madison meant when they neother respect him or value anything he ever did.....bleeech


3 posted on 12/17/2012 11:04:28 AM PST by Nifster
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To: The Bard

And First Amendment was never intended to permit the press/media to become unpaid propaganda arms of the democRAT party, providing billions of dollars worth of free advertising on their behalf.


4 posted on 12/17/2012 11:05:17 AM PST by Salvey
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To: ConservativeStatement

5 posted on 12/17/2012 11:05:17 AM PST by Perseverando (Gun control? It's really not about gun control is it? It's really about PEOPLE CONTROL!)
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To: ConservativeStatement

Madison also never expected millions of Americans to kill their babies in their wombs either.


6 posted on 12/17/2012 11:05:28 AM PST by RexBeach (Mr. Obama Loves To Spend My $$$$$$$$$$$$)
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To: ConservativeStatement
Barbara Streisand.

"What, Sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty.... Whenever Governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins." (Rep. Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts, spoken during floor debate over the Second Amendment [ I Annals of Congress at 750 {August 17, 1789}])

7 posted on 12/17/2012 11:05:40 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the state." - Cornelius Tacitus, Roman Senator)
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To: ConservativeStatement

Forget the Bushmaster (alleged assault) weapon. He could have killed just as many with the two handguns he brought that day. So are the media-commies wanting to ban handguns?


8 posted on 12/17/2012 11:06:05 AM PST by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything)
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To: ConservativeStatement

Actually I am wondering why the mother allowed her crazy son access to her guns.

All the wondering starts and stops right there.


9 posted on 12/17/2012 11:06:31 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: ConservativeStatement

The founders meant military arms.

That would include select fire assault rifles as well as full auto carbines.

If one of the teachers was thus armed and trained, as they are in Israel, the carnage may have been completely prevented.


10 posted on 12/17/2012 11:07:44 AM PST by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: ConservativeStatement

THE SECOND AMENDMENT EXISTS FOR ONE REASON AND ONE REASON ONLY... AS A LAST LINE OF CIVILIAN DEFENSE AGAINST A TYRANNICAL GOVERNMENT RULED BY DESPOTS. LEAVE OUR RIGHTS ALONE OR BLOOD WILL FLOW IN THE STREETS.

LLS


11 posted on 12/17/2012 11:07:53 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (A child is born in Bethlehem KING of KINGS)
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To: ConservativeStatement

We don’t have a Constitution any more. We have replaced it with Presidential Executive Orders empowered by a gutless Congress and approved by the radical liberal US federal court system. America as founded is dead. We few out here that give a rat’s rear end are now behind enemy lines. We are on our own. We are why FEMA is building their interment camps. There are some on a military base not far from where I live. Nice little place. Gulag style wooden barrack buildings, plenty of barbed wire, and of course the customary guard towers. Makes you wonder just why we need those here in our country. Use on non-compliance rebels? That’d be us by the way. Christians, conservatives, republicans, patriots, gun owners, anti-communists. Yup, that’s us. Enemies in our own country according to the homosexuals and liberals.
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12 posted on 12/17/2012 11:09:26 AM PST by RetiredArmy (1 Cor 15: 50-54 & 1 Thess 4: 13-17. That about covers it.)
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To: ConservativeStatement

OK, let’s start disarming all the drug gangs.

See how that goes, then we’ll talk.


13 posted on 12/17/2012 11:10:34 AM PST by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: ConservativeStatement
Madison never meant Second Amendment to allow guns of Sandy Hook shooting...

He meant for the adults present to be equally or superiorly armed so that they could have stopped the little puke dead in his tracks.

14 posted on 12/17/2012 11:12:19 AM PST by VRWCmember
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To: ConservativeStatement

Aaron Burger channeling James Madison! Cool! I’ll bet Aaron has been abducted by UFOs too. Cue up the theme from Twilight Zone.


15 posted on 12/17/2012 11:12:19 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (It's not about the guns. It's about the control.)
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To: ConservativeStatement

Congress has no power to disarm the militia. Their swords and every terrible implement of the soldier are the birthright of Americans. The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments but where, I trust in God, it will always remain, in the hands of the people. — Tench Coxe, The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.


16 posted on 12/17/2012 11:14:40 AM PST by loboinok (Gun control is hitting what you aim at!)
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To: ConservativeStatement

CSM is very liberal, dont let name fool you.

If you read the article it makes the case that the reasons why the founders wanted us to be allowed to own guns are all gone now, they dont exist anymore. It is not an argument why the 2nd amendment never protected those rights.

“it is safe to say that this justification’s time has passed.”

But how about the 1st amendment and the CSM?? Is that time passed also?


17 posted on 12/17/2012 11:15:16 AM PST by sickoflibs (Dems know how to win. Rs know how to whine.)
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To: ConservativeStatement

Madison never envisioned God kicked out of schools either.


18 posted on 12/17/2012 11:16:59 AM PST by Tolkien (Grace is the Essence of the Gospel; Gratitude is the Essence of Ethics.)
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To: RexBeach
Madison also never expected millions of Americans to kill their babies in their wombs either.

Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.---John Adams,

19 posted on 12/17/2012 11:17:51 AM PST by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything)
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To: Tolkien
EXACTLY !! Image and video hosting by TinyPic
20 posted on 12/17/2012 11:18:21 AM PST by MtnMan101
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To: The Bard
"we must concede that the conditions allowing for an armed revolution of the people have long since vanished."

He's absolutely right. No one would even think about seceding from the Union today either.

21 posted on 12/17/2012 11:19:22 AM PST by tbpiper
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To: ConservativeStatement

The second amendment was written so as to allow an armed population the ability to overthrow a government gone rogue..

with that in mind, any and every weapon our military possesses, we as citizens have not only the right, but the duty to possess...

this includes so called assault rifles, machine guns, grenades, mortar and cannon, tanks, armored personnel carriers, aircraft and even warships ( provided you can afford it )..

keep in mind that during the time of the revolution, our fledgling government LEASED warships and cannon from PRIVATE owners..

So, we had far greater freedoms under the king than we do now...

think about it....


22 posted on 12/17/2012 11:20:33 AM PST by joe fonebone (The clueless... they walk among us, and they vote...)
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To: ConservativeStatement

Seriously what is with the christian science monitor does did some leftist buy it out to turn it into a propaganda machine?

The author should be reminded that God does not help people who refused to help themselves.

You can no more disarm the world than you can change the nature of the human race. You either are prepared to deal with that world as is(as the teachers of this school were not) or you and those depended upon you(such as the children) will fall victim to what ever calamity your unprepared for.

That is the hard truth, and those who wish to ignore that true do so at great peril, not always there own as in the case of theses children.


23 posted on 12/17/2012 11:34:30 AM PST by Monorprise
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To: ConservativeStatement

What right does the author have to post this article on the internet?


24 posted on 12/17/2012 11:36:53 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: dennisw
So are the media-commies wanting to ban handguns?

Yes.

25 posted on 12/17/2012 11:41:37 AM PST by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: ConservativeStatement
I guess protecting your family from Indians & criminals didn't occur to the author.

Whada maroon!

It's a shame that the Bill of Rights did not contain an explicit right to self defense. I'm guessing the founders could not imagine otherwise; believing it to be obvious.

26 posted on 12/17/2012 11:41:42 AM PST by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: ConservativeStatement

1. the CSM is not “christian”
2. the media mob continues their NYC rant.
3. they assume the rest of the world is just like the usa.


27 posted on 12/17/2012 11:46:39 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: ConservativeStatement

Another display of leftists pretending to know what the Founders “really meant”.


28 posted on 12/17/2012 11:48:24 AM PST by ozzymandus
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To: dennisw

“Forget the Bushmaster (alleged assault) weapon. He could have killed just as many with the two handguns he brought that day. So are the media-commies wanting to ban handguns?”

I believe the Bushmaster was left in the car and that all the damage was done with the pistols.


29 posted on 12/17/2012 11:52:43 AM PST by Da Coyote
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To: Berlin_Freeper

I agree with you. If I had a crazy kid, as in this kind of crazy, the last thing on Earth I’d be doing is teaching him (or her) how to use a firearm.

I had a somewhat crazy friend crash on my couch for a few days several years ago, and I made damned sure I hid all the guns and locked them up. No easy feat....she showed up on my doorstep one evening! I told her she stank, and needed a shower, so when she was in the shower, I used that opportunity.


30 posted on 12/17/2012 11:55:09 AM PST by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: Tolkien

madison never envision gen free designated kill zones


31 posted on 12/17/2012 11:56:25 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: ConservativeStatement
Regrettably or not, we must concede that the conditions allowing for an armed revolution of the people have long since vanished.

Who's this "we" he keeps talking about?

32 posted on 12/17/2012 11:58:16 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: joe fonebone

Good luck buying a nuke. That’s gonna set you back a bit.

As long as the government has nukes, and would be willing to use them, no one stands a prayer.

Would the government use nukes? Yes. They would.


33 posted on 12/17/2012 11:58:30 AM PST by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: Salvey
"And First Amendment was never intended to permit the press/media to become unpaid propaganda arms of the democRAT party, providing billions of dollars worth of free advertising on their behalf"

And the 4th was never meant only to protect politicians from unreasonable search and siezure. Why do I mention this ?

Because the 1st, 2nd and 4th amendments are THE ONLY amendments to use the phrase "THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE".

MOLON LABE !

34 posted on 12/17/2012 12:02:10 PM PST by SENTINEL (I lie, I cheat, I steal, I communize, I sacrifice unborn babies, I'm Harry Reid and I'm a mormon)
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To: ConservativeStatement
Aaron Burger is a sophomore at Columbia University where he is studying electrical engineering and urban politics.

A snot-nosed kid at Columbia studying urban politics doesn't even register on my ignore meter.

35 posted on 12/17/2012 12:02:17 PM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: The Bard

Of course, in Madison’s time the family unit was still cohesive and functional enough that family members would not have allowed access to their guns to a member of that family who was struggling psychologically or emotionally.


36 posted on 12/17/2012 12:04:25 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: The Bard
Madison never meant Second Amendment to allow guns of Sandy Hook shooting... No, I believe the second amendment was to PREVENT such events.

Excellent comment!

BTTT!!

37 posted on 12/17/2012 12:05:30 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: facedown
Aaron Burger is a sophomore at Columbia University where he is studying electrical engineering and urban politics.

So he can figure out who all the Conservatives are living in urban areas and use emerging Smart Grid technology to shut off their power.


38 posted on 12/17/2012 12:05:58 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: ConservativeStatement

About muskets, the author wrote: “When people did die from these weapons, it was often because of lead poisoning...”

I couldn’t get through the rest of the article after that.

Nobody else saw that?


39 posted on 12/17/2012 12:10:51 PM PST by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: P.O.E.

I always ask leftists if they are going to volunteer to go in and disarm the south side of Chicago.


40 posted on 12/17/2012 12:11:59 PM PST by MarkeyD (Obama is a victim of Affirmative Action)
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To: KrisKrinkle

IIRC, there was a mention on Yahoo where I originally saw the story.


41 posted on 12/17/2012 12:12:29 PM PST by ConservativeStatement (Having an abortion is "progressive"?)
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To: ConservativeStatement
Surely not the killing of 20 young children and six women.

Is that a straw man argument or a red herring? Or both? I can't always keep the two types of false logic tactics separate. In any case it's the logic of a child who can't debate on an adult level.

42 posted on 12/17/2012 12:14:47 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: ConservativeStatement

Madison meant Second Amendment to allow guns at least normal on the battlefield: today, that’s full auto M16s.


43 posted on 12/17/2012 12:17:57 PM PST by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: KrisKrinkle

I didn’t get that far.


44 posted on 12/17/2012 12:19:00 PM PST by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: LibLieSlayer

I sent this to the NRA earlier today:

Good morning ladies and gentlemen, I am one of your ILA volunteers here in Pennsylvania. I am also retired from the marketing communications field and I do stay current on a variety of issues both national and international.

Aside from the latest tragedy in Connecticut and the predictable meme we will hear from the gun-grabbers and media, one of the subtle messages that the left has successfully implanted in the narrative is that guns are used primarily for hunting and target practice. The latest carrier of this message is Senator Joe Manchin of West Virginia.

The elephant in the room that no one, including the NRA, has had the courage to publically vocalize is that the Second Amendment isn’t about deer hunting. It’s about a free people having the tools that it needs not only for individual self-defense in the home or elsewhere, but to protect itself against a tyrannical government.

I submit that what you will see, and are seeing now, is a concerted global effort to disarm the American people. Our enemies, including China and Iran, are already calling on the liberal Marxists in our government to effect a national disarmament.

As a local spokesperson for the NRA, I would like to see the NRA get in front of this issue and provide people in the field like myself with an intelligent, coherent message that we can take to our Congressional representatives, and let them know that we will not stand by peacefully and let the federal government destroy our 2nd Amendment rights.

Approval of Congress and politicians in general is at an all-time low. We have a struggling economy with a lot of people out of work. Our nation as a whole is virtually spiritually bankrupt, as evidenced by the leaders we have chosen.

If the NRA is going to be relevant in the days to come, I suggest you begin to get a coherent plan together to change the dangerous discourse that is flooding the media and beginning to turn public opinion against gun owners.


45 posted on 12/17/2012 12:21:41 PM PST by patriotsblood
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To: ConservativeStatement

The Constitution was not written on a word processer or a computer!
I’ll give up guns when “Journalists” do their reporting with quill pens!
God forbid letting Bob Costas rant his lament at half time.


46 posted on 12/17/2012 12:22:03 PM PST by GOYAKLA (Waiting for the Golden Screw to be removed from Obama's navel!)
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To: ConservativeStatement

The First Amendment was never intended to allow 24-hour corp/gov infotainaganda to be beamed directly into people’s pockets, either.


47 posted on 12/17/2012 12:22:30 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass (So?)
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To: LibLieSlayer

The blood has been flowing for quite some time. I am pro-gun but they should not available over the Internet or without background checks. I had to go through far more nonsense to rent an apt then to buy a gun.


48 posted on 12/17/2012 12:24:21 PM PST by sakic
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To: Durus

“I didn’t get that far.”

Have you tried Pepto Bismal? My stomach must be stronger than yours.


49 posted on 12/17/2012 12:26:25 PM PST by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: ConservativeStatement

The people at Christian Science Monitor must be stupid.

Most of us already know why the Founders insisted on the 2nd. Amendment.

To insure we were citizens, not slaves of the Government.
To protect ourselves and our families.
To join with our military in any incursion of this country.


50 posted on 12/17/2012 12:27:39 PM PST by Venturer
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