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Online sales tax to be added to defense authorization bill [Goodbye Internet Sales]
The Daily Caller ^ | 12-06-2012 | Betsi Fores

Posted on 12/06/2012 11:10:02 AM PST by Red Badger

This may be the last Christmas of online shopping without paying sales tax.

A proposed online sales tax has been offered as an amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act, much to the ire of opponents.

The Computer and Communications Industry Association, a group that opposes this move, says that an online sales tax will burden small businesses, “some of the most promising candidates for future economic growth.”

“This proposal, and other online sales tax collection proposals like it, would allow states to penalize the innovative e-commerce business model by targeting small online businesses as convenient sources (and collectors) of revenue,” said CCIA President and CEO Ed Black.

The Marketplace Fairness Act, and its House counterpart the Marketplace Equity Act, seek to clarify, and arguably overturn, a 1992 Supreme Court ruling that requires retailers to have a physical presence in a state in order to collect sales tax on goods.

“Severing the relationship between taxation and physical presence would be a fundamental transformation in how we consider taxes,” Black continued. “Such a significant step deserves more extensive consideration than attachment to the unrelated Defense Authorization bill.”

Still, a recent poll indicates that the majority of Americans support the idea, describing an online sales tax as “common sense”. They also feel that a tax for online purchases would encourage people to buy local and keep tax dollars in their community.

“Local retailers invest in their communities and play a significant role in the overall quality of life in the places we call home,” said Betsy Laird, senior vice president of global public policy for the International Council of Shopping Centers.

Collecting the tax across state lines however poses as a challenge for small businesses that sell their goods in multiple states.

“It is not the job of small businesses to collect taxes to provide tax revenue relief for state and local governments outside their jurisdiction,” Black said, suggesting that an online tax would protect existing businesses at the expense of consumers and growth.

Some Republicans are on board, with Wyoming Sen. Mike Enzi as “the most overlooked tax loophole.”

“We are optimistic that once the Marketplace Fairness Act is brought for a vote, it will have enough support to pass,” said Illinois Democratic Sen. Richard Durbin’s spokeswoman, Christina Mulka.

Both Sens. Durbin and Enzi have offered the bill as an amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act.

“Sen. Durbin is focused on working with his colleagues to try to get a vote on the bill before the end of this year, whether as a stand-alone bill or part of a larger piece of legislation,” Mulka said. “They are keeping all options on the table at this point.”

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/12/04/online-sales-tax-to-be-added-to-defense-authorization-bill/#ixzz2EIfvANTs


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KEYWORDS: cybermonday; internet; salestax; tax
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1 posted on 12/06/2012 11:10:11 AM PST by Red Badger
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To: Red Badger
Doesn't matter to me.

Next year I am going so Galt the NSA will think I must have died.

2 posted on 12/06/2012 11:12:25 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the state." - Cornelius Tacitus, Roman Senator)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Doesn't matter to me.

Matters to me.
Still good bulk ammo sales available on line...

3 posted on 12/06/2012 11:15:16 AM PST by grobdriver
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To: Red Badger
Still, a recent poll indicates that the majority of Americans support the idea, describing an online sales tax as “common sense”. They also feel that a tax for online purchases would encourage people to buy local and keep tax dollars in their community.

Americans sure have gone far to the side of government-induced behavior modification and away from personal freedom. I truly do not recognize this country anymore.

4 posted on 12/06/2012 11:18:58 AM PST by ScottinVA (I've never been more disgusted with American voters.)
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To: Red Badger
More "fairness" at work. Fine. I stop shopping via the internet. It will reduce my exposure to phishing. Frankly, I've been phished pretty hard this last week. Besides, who will have money to spend after the tax increases?
5 posted on 12/06/2012 11:21:27 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: Red Badger

There are states where the sales tax rate changes town to town, county to county and borough to borough. How the heck are online retailers supposed to keep up with THAT?

Or the gazillion exceptions and exemptions in the PA sales tax code?


6 posted on 12/06/2012 11:27:28 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Red Badger
“We are optimistic that once the Marketplace Fairness Act is brought for a vote, it will have enough support to pass,” said Illinois Democratic Sen. Richard Durbin’s spokeswoman, Christina Mulka.

If it has enough support to pass, let it stand on its own merit and don't piggyback it off a defense bill.

7 posted on 12/06/2012 11:27:28 AM PST by Hoffer Rand (There ARE two Americas: "God's children" and the tax payers)
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To: Red Badger

Our inillustrious Congress....


8 posted on 12/06/2012 11:30:09 AM PST by onedoug
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To: Red Badger

Notice that Mike Enzi is all for it. Go figure. He has no clue as to what this would do to small businesses. I’ve spent my business career since 1996 helping large corporations navigate multi-state sales and use tax issues (and other excise taxes). Asking a small seller to keep up with the tax laws of thousands of jurisdictions is ridiculous. All it will do is kill small business and create a new bureaucracy.


9 posted on 12/06/2012 11:31:51 AM PST by cizinec ("Brother, your best friend ain't your Momma, it's the Field Artillery.")
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To: Red Badger
Since the bill is about "fairness", I presume that no tax will be collected from residents of states like mine that have no sales tax.

Right?

10 posted on 12/06/2012 11:32:15 AM PST by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved or not at all.)
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To: Red Badger

It’s just another Golden egg laying Goose the Government wants to kill in their never-ending effort to tax every stinking dime out of Americans .


11 posted on 12/06/2012 11:36:01 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Red Badger

Shop from NH


12 posted on 12/06/2012 11:36:11 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: Red Badger

Taxes, taxes, taxes. :)

You voted for them America - now fork it over.

Pay your fair share. The liberals running the government won’t, so you’ll have to pick up the slack. LOL!


13 posted on 12/06/2012 11:38:55 AM PST by Tzimisce (What do you do when every every branch of the government is corrupt and aligned against you?)
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To: Red Badger
If you are a Republican joining hands with Dick Durbin, then you know you've jumped the shark. But then, it looks like the whole party and half the country has done that, if we are to be a party governed by polls rather than pols.
14 posted on 12/06/2012 11:39:06 AM PST by Major Matt Mason ("Journalism is dead. All news is suspect." - Noamie)
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To: Red Badger; ScottinVA
Still, a recent poll indicates that the majority of Americans support the idea, describing an online sales tax as “common sense”.

And exactly what freaking poll would that be!

15 posted on 12/06/2012 11:42:19 AM PST by Focault's Pendulum
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To: ScottinVA

That’s how you know America is dead. The people seek to tax themselves. The SHEEP have come home to roost. Thanks, teachers. /s


16 posted on 12/06/2012 11:43:57 AM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

The International Council of Shopping Centers??????

oh well anyway. Here de Vat, here come de Vat everybody ready cuz here. one de VAT!


17 posted on 12/06/2012 11:47:03 AM PST by Gasshog
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To: Red Badger
said Betsy Laird, senior vice president of global public policy for the International Council of Shopping Centers.

WTF?

18 posted on 12/06/2012 11:53:36 AM PST by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: Focault's Pendulum

America is not a majoritarian country. We’re founded as a republic in which majority opinoin doesn’t count. It’s the entire idea of individual rights.


19 posted on 12/06/2012 11:54:10 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Red Badger
Some Republicans are on board, with Wyoming Sen. Mike Enzi as “the most overlooked tax loophole.”

Sounds like a Scott Brown clone.

20 posted on 12/06/2012 11:54:10 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Political correctness does not legislate tolerance; it only organizes hatred.)
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To: 1010RD
We’re founded as a republic in which majority opinoin doesn’t count.

No one in DC is aware of that.

21 posted on 12/06/2012 11:57:49 AM PST by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
How the heck are online retailers supposed to keep up with THAT?

Once everybody is "chipped" the calculations will be automatic.

22 posted on 12/06/2012 11:59:05 AM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
"How the heck are online retailers supposed to keep up with THAT?"

Screw the Kulaks, the Big Multinational Corporations will make out just fine.

However, if it does happen, I guarantee that there will be companies that 'will do all the tax calculations (and collections) for you' for a fee.

23 posted on 12/06/2012 12:03:39 PM PST by I am Richard Brandon
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To: ScottinVA

“They also feel that a tax for online purchases would encourage people to buy local and keep tax dollars in their community”

Who did they consult, the Chamber of Commerce in Bumwad, Nowhere? Get your own money, you greedy so and sos.


24 posted on 12/06/2012 12:06:42 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Well for the rest of us that will go on living in the real world this is a huge tax that must never see the light of day.


25 posted on 12/06/2012 12:08:17 PM PST by plain talk
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To: Focault's Pendulum
And exactly what freaking poll would that be!

This one?

26 posted on 12/06/2012 12:11:11 PM PST by Database
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To: Red Badger
Which state / city tax is collected if I live in Virginia, conduct the online purchase from my Washington DC office, from a company based in Maryland, and have it delivered to my brother in California?

Will any states the package moves through also want part of the action? A shipping / transit tax?

What if I buy from England? Tariffs?

Could they just say a online purchase tax is collect by the vendor using the vendor's local rate where the vendor's HQ is located? Of course, this would cause vendors to move to states with no sales tax.

27 posted on 12/06/2012 12:12:37 PM PST by Lichgod (Means testing is wrong.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
How the heck are online retailers supposed to keep up with THAT?

Simple. A new tax on top of all the others!

28 posted on 12/06/2012 12:13:56 PM PST by Semper911 (When you want to rob Peter to pay Paul, you'll always have the support of Paul.)
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To: Red Badger

The GOP should vote it down


29 posted on 12/06/2012 12:14:34 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: plain talk

Have used Amazon UK from time to time and over here are exempt from the VAT. Shipping isn’t that much either and we actually saved on some purchases. May be doing this more often in future it seems


30 posted on 12/06/2012 12:19:20 PM PST by Gasshog
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To: Red Badger

Hey Stupid Libs! The honeymoon is over, Sugar Daddy has gone to play golf and left you behind to wash dishes. Enjoy!


31 posted on 12/06/2012 12:21:35 PM PST by Gasshog
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To: Red Badger

I work for an online retailer. In our state, sales tax differs from county to county. That’s a matter of programming in the zip and collecting the right amount of tax...but in the end, it’s all sent to the state we’re in.

Once this sales tax is collected from every different state and each state has their own tax rate or if they’re like our state, several different sales tax rates (which is a programming nightmare)...where is the money going to be sent, who is going to distribute it back to the states, who keeps track of what money was collected for what state. Are they expecting the small online business person to do this?


32 posted on 12/06/2012 12:23:41 PM PST by memyselfandi59
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To: Gasshog

Enforcement of the tax is government control of the internet. The IRS will control commerce, healthcare choices, internet and all communication technologies that could be used for any activity related to commerce. But you can trust the IRS, they exist for your own benefit. (And to punish any one who does not venerate our leader. All together now! Hail Obama, Hail Obama we who are about to be taxed to poverty salute you!)


33 posted on 12/06/2012 12:29:51 PM PST by DaveyB (Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. -John Adams)
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To: Red Badger
This may be the last Christmas of online shopping without paying sales tax.

There is no such thing. This may be the last Christmas where it is easy to cheat on your sales taxes by purchasing things online, but every state with a sales tax already requires people to pay sales tax on items purchased on the internet.

But without a national law allowing collection of sales data or the tax, it is easier than normal for people to cheat on the tax.

Imagine if you didn't have withholding of your income tax, and your employer was not required to tell the government that you were employed. In other words, imagine that the only way the government knew how much you made was if you TOLD them.

In that environment, a lot of people would cheat on their income taxes, even more than apparently a lot of people cheat now.

It's like rioters and looters. We think crime is something done by an uncivil minority. Then as soon as a circumstance exists where people think they can get away with it, we see rich people in fancy cars driving up and looting stores. We see masses of people vandalizing things. We see that our nature is NOT one of civility and lawfulness anymore.

It amazes me how many people who call themselves conservatives are proud of cheating on their taxes, when it comes to the sales tax.

I always tell them, if they are that proud, they should go all the way. Most every state allows exemptions to the sales tax. For example, all you need to do is forge a religious exemption letter, and present it when you purchase things, and the store will subtract the sales tax.

So, why doesn't everybody do this? I used to think because people aren't cheaters. Now I think it's just because they didn't know they could get away with it.

BTW, I pay my sales tax every year on my Amazon purchases. I think taxes are too high, but I don't think that gives me the right to pay less of them than the guy living next door who buys his stuff at the local shop, or the guy across the street who buys his stuff online from Barnes and Noble and Target instead of Amazon.

In other words, it just isn't in my nature to make my purchasing decisions based on how easy it will be to break the law. I sign my tax form, and on that form it says that my signature indicates that I have reported all the information I understand to be applicable, and that includes a line on the form for my "use tax".

I can't imagine signing a fraudulent return. But too many people can.

34 posted on 12/06/2012 12:34:47 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: GeronL
The GOP should vote it down

They've got Republican Governors and State Reps lobbying for it.


35 posted on 12/06/2012 12:40:51 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Red Badger
Still, a recent poll indicates that the majority of Americans support the idea, describing an online sales tax as “common sense”.

I don't know who conducted that poll or what the demographics were of their sample but I suspect it was a very carefully selected group.

No-one, and I mean absolutely not one single person I have asked about online sales tax is for it. Seems strange to me that my unofficial polling could be so strongly aligned to just the opposite.

Government is already too big, too bloated. I am 100% against anything that gives them more money, more power.

36 posted on 12/06/2012 12:47:18 PM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: Red Badger

I need to move my business offshore...and tell the US to stick it!!


37 posted on 12/06/2012 12:56:23 PM PST by ExCTCitizen (More Republicans stayed home then the margin of victory of O's Win...)
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To: Hoffer Rand
“We are optimistic that once the Marketplace Fairness Act is brought for a vote, it will have enough support to pass,” said Illinois Democratic Sen. Richard Durbin’s spokeswoman, Christina Mulka. If it has enough support to pass, let it stand on its own merit and don't piggyback it off a defense bill.

I agree, but it should not piggyback on any bill. What's next: the "Equalization of Opportunity Act" and the "Anti Dog-Eat-Dog Act"?

38 posted on 12/06/2012 1:01:30 PM PST by folkquest (I plan on being cranky for the next 4 years. Hope to crack a political smile at the midterms!)
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To: Red Badger

With a tax comes control.


39 posted on 12/06/2012 1:02:49 PM PST by I want the USA back (0bama is the new Christ. We're doomed!)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
We see that our nature is NOT one of civility and lawfulness anymore.

Genesis 6:

5 The Lord saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time. 6 The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled. 7 So the Lord said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them.” 8 But Noah found favor in the eyes of the Lord.

40 posted on 12/06/2012 1:04:25 PM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: Red Badger

A computer program will handle the taxing. Tax it to the billing address of the person buying.

Right or wrong, this will happen.


41 posted on 12/06/2012 1:07:59 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum

Sounds like a business opportunity for some aspiring programmers:

New! Quick Sales Tax! All the states and U.S. Territories! Updated automatically!..................


42 posted on 12/06/2012 1:16:32 PM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Let me see if I’ve got this straight, you are of the opinion that because people don’t pay their “use” taxes to their states, small businesses who have a small internet presence should be required to calculate and remit sales taxes to thousands of different jurisdictions?

What about someone like my SIL who’s shop in Delaware does some online sales........Delaware has no sales tax, so they are not set up to deal with collecting/remitting sales tax - but it’s OK with you they would have to incur a huge expense to do this or just shut don their online presence?

You see this as a good thing?


43 posted on 12/06/2012 1:18:10 PM PST by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: folkquest

I hear you. Hence my comment about letting it stand on its own merit. If they truly thought they had the votes, they wouldn’t be attaching it, they’d let it ride solo. They know they don’t, so they’re piggybacking it. It’s an outrage. Next they’ll be introducing 10-289.


44 posted on 12/06/2012 1:34:20 PM PST by Hoffer Rand (There ARE two Americas: "God's children" and the tax payers)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

I was thinking of that too, being in a PA county tht chrges more than the state norm of 6%.


45 posted on 12/06/2012 1:38:07 PM PST by PghBaldy (Pete Hoekstra RE: Petraeus scandal - "There's more here than meets the eye.")
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To: ScottinVA

I’m with you on that!


46 posted on 12/06/2012 1:52:08 PM PST by Rich21IE
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To: Red Badger

If the damn government CAN extract our money from something, THEY WILL.....

Once they supposedly give the UN “control” over the internet, I wonder if they’ll want a piece of the action too. It would almost be fun to have a bunch of those ‘blue helmet guys show up at the house’ to collect for non-payment, so the family(and neighbors) could have some live target practice!


47 posted on 12/06/2012 2:02:25 PM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Sadly, they will probably do this badly.

First, they will exempt businesses with less than “X” dollars of sales. That will take care of a lot of the business.

If they were smart, they would then put into the law a requirement that states have to sign up to be part of this new program, and that in order to sign up, the state has to provide an online resource that will provide current tax rates by zip code.

Or the law can require that the state set a single rate for this type of collection, and the money is remitted to the state, who can then figure out how to send parts of it to jurisdictions within the state.

It’s not like we live in the horse-and-buggy days. If you are doing internet sales, you have a computer and internet access, so it should be trivial for a state to set up a web-based server that will provide tax rates by zip code.


48 posted on 12/06/2012 2:05:26 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Hoffer Rand

Same thing for the Real ID Act which has been a mess. Sensenbrenner wanted it and no one else did and he mentioned it will be attached as a rider that must pass. Bills should be single topic in Congress like in most state legislatures.

If it has enough support to pass, let it stand on its own merit and don’t piggyback it off a defense bill.


49 posted on 12/06/2012 2:11:56 PM PST by CORedneck
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To: memyselfandi59
Are they expecting the small online business person to do this?

Of course they are. Because small business people exist, like all the rest of us, to serve the state. Right, Comrade ?!

50 posted on 12/06/2012 2:15:46 PM PST by Red Boots
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