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Online sales tax to be added to defense authorization bill [Goodbye Internet Sales]
The Daily Caller ^ | 12-06-2012 | Betsi Fores

Posted on 12/06/2012 11:10:02 AM PST by Red Badger

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To: Buckeye McFrog

“...and borough to borough.”

I made this point on a thread a few days ago. In my suburban town it is even worse - my half pays a Rapid Transit Tax as it has lots of bus stops and a large central bus “station” type area. The other half (more rural) had only a few bus stops, and doesn’t pay the tax. (Same zip code).

81 posted on 12/06/2012 11:47:15 PM PST by 21twelve (So I [God] gave them over to their stubborn hearts to follow their own devices. Psalm 81:12)
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To: GeronL

“The GOP should vote it down.”

What!!?? You want the GOP to deprive our brave men and women protecting our nation from having the necessary equipment to do their jobs properly and safely!!?? /s

82 posted on 12/06/2012 11:50:50 PM PST by 21twelve (So I [God] gave them over to their stubborn hearts to follow their own devices. Psalm 81:12)
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To: Red Badger

Honestly, it would.

The internet tax loophole was going to be closed one of these days.

83 posted on 12/07/2012 4:00:37 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Gertie; CharlesWayneCT

The real pain will be in those places with a local option sales tax (cities and such). I live in a small town in Iowa, and the larger town near by wants us to start collecting sales tax on things sold in our town, and send it to them. Because so many people are buying gas here.

A state flat sales tax would be better.

84 posted on 12/07/2012 4:06:40 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Let each state enforce its own sales and use laws within its own borders. We don’t need another layer or government. Sales tax is a state and local issue. That states refuse to enforce the law against their own citizens tells you all you need to know.

Milton Friedman’s biggest regret was automatic witholding. The state doesn’t need more revenue, but less state. Keep in mind the major sponsor of this bill is Dick Durbin.

Think - where will this lead? Our goal is federalism and state’s rights. This is just nationalization of tax policy and will lead to Internet control by the IRS, shut downs of internet businesses, audits, and eventually a VAT on everything at the national level on top of a state sales tax.

85 posted on 12/07/2012 4:28:05 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: ThunderSleeps

You mean an organization that thrives off of local retailers might create a poll to manipulate the public?


We’d better be calling our Reps and Senators now. Boehner’s already itching to raise taxes.

86 posted on 12/07/2012 4:30:38 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: redgolum

It’s just the ‘first step’ towards the Mark of the Beast........

87 posted on 12/07/2012 6:19:42 AM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: ExTxMarine

Just a few points.

I don’t think it is unreasonable for a state to allow out-of-state stores to keep a percentage of collection as the cost of doing business. But that would be written into the federal law. If the state didn’t like it, the state should be able to NOT PARTICIPATE in the federal law. The state can continue to try to collect use tax directly.

I happen to think states would pay, because it would be like hiring a collection agency, they’d at least get some money where now they get no money.

I don’t think if this type of law as “forcing” a store in one state to abide by the laws of another state — although this actually happens now, as a store in one state that wants to sell certain products into another state have to abide by the laws of that state for sales. But I don’t think that is what we are talking about here.

There would be a federal law, not state law. The federal law would proscribe what any store in any state was required to do when shipping a product across state lines. I have no doubt the feds can write this law badly. But if they wrote the law correctly, there would be a single location where any store could get the correct sales tax info, much like federal instant background check for gun sales.

Each state which wants to participate would have to set up online methods for supporting the tax, which would feed through the single service. So when processing an online sale, the store would take the shipping address, send it through this service, and would get back the tax rate and state collection address, which should include electronic means of collection.

As to the more general question of whether they should be subject to laws, if the didn’t want to be subject to the sales tax of texas, why couldnt’ they simply refuse to ship items to texas? They still have the control — just like they could choose not to set up a shop in a state, they could refuse to ship to a state.

Or, they can choose to ship to the state, and collect the tax due in the state.

There is an alternative, which lessens the burden on the stores, but which I imagine people wouldn’t like as much.

Instead of requiring companies to collect sales tax, require them to provide the purchase information to the state government where the product was shipped to. This would be like the tax forms companies currently have to submit.

Then, it would fall on the state to decide what to do with the information. The state could use it to cross-check their residents tax submittals, to make sure they are properly reporting their purchases, as required by state law.

But that is a horrible intrusion into your privacy, having your state know of each purchase (btw, there was some federal law that required all purchases of something over $600 to be reported, I don’t remember if it was Obamacare or something else). I guess you could just have the value reported, but then how would the state know if the item was taxable or not?

Anyway, I am not an advocate for the bill. But I have no problem with the idea of the bill should it pass, and I can and do argue that it is a good thing.

I do agree with the various problems that people point out. It isn’t often that you can find a way to get government involved where there aren’t significant downsides.

In the end, it could be that sales tax is just not a good way to collect money for government. However, from a conservative perspective, it’s one of the few taxes that is not skewed toward rich people (in principle — in fact, state governments often find ways to minimize tax on things poor people by more of, and vice versa).

It is hard for the state to raise sales taxes, because EVERY VOTER feels the pain.

88 posted on 12/07/2012 8:52:07 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: cizinec
Asking a small seller to keep up with the tax laws of thousands of jurisdictions is ridiculous. All it will do is kill small business and create a new bureaucracy.

Yes it will create a crisis and they love those, the only way to solve it will be for all the companies to pay one flat rate to the federal government who will then redistribute some of it back to the states.

Game, set. match.

89 posted on 12/08/2012 8:52:44 AM PST by usurper (Liberals GET OFF MY LAWN)
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To: Focault's Pendulum

About the Survey

This survey was conducted on behalf of ICSC by Opinion Research Corporation (ORC) using a computer assisted telephone interviewing (CATI) system randomly selected from a national probability sample of 1,005 adults comprising 500 men and 505 women 18 years of age and older, living in private households in the continental United States. Interviewing for this survey was completed during the period October 25-28, 2012.

SOURCE International Council of Shopping Centers

PR Newswire (

Howmany were in a mall stealing while pretending to be shopping during normal working hours.

90 posted on 12/08/2012 10:47:58 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Tagline space for rent to pay for some of my extra taxes the next 4 years!)
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To: DaveyB

Can’t possibly be true, Obozo said campaigning for his first term that our taxes wouldn’t go up one dime..of course he didn’t say anything about a bunch of dimes. I loathe him and all democrats and RINO’s too.

I look forward though, to those I know that voted for their hero, to the howls when the taxes come hailing down on all the fools who believed all the bull from Obama. They deserve whatever comes their way, unfortunately we all will be collateral damage too.

91 posted on 12/08/2012 8:38:53 PM PST by tina07 (In loving memory of my father,WWII Vet. CBI 10/16/42-12/17/45, d. 11/1/85)
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