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Top Five Reasons Republicans Should Take Us Over the Fiscal Cliff
BigGovernment.com ^ | 11/29/2012 | John Nolte

Posted on 11/30/2012 12:50:56 AM PST by GVnana

As the clock ticks and we watch the various players move their pieces into place, it's becoming increasingly obvious that Republicans are in a no-win situation. They’re ether going to have to cave and agree to a tax increase without meaningful spending cuts or take the blame for going over the fiscal cliff. Here are five reasons why going over the cliff is by far the best option.

1. It's a Trap!

Though House Speaker John Boehner foolishly helped to manufacture this trap by making tax increases the primary issue in the fiscal cliff negotiations, there's still time to extricate himself and his party.

Obama and the media could not care less about the economy or the deficit or the middle class. What they want is a rerun of 1992 in 2014.

There was all kinds of media praise and back-slapping from Democrats after George H. W. Bush agreed to break his "read my lips" tax pledge in exchange for spending cuts. The result of that broken promise, though, was that he looked weak, like a dupe, and faced a bruising primary challenge for reelection in '92. And during this campaign, the same media that had baited Bush into breaking his most memorable campaign promise, turned on him. We all know how that ended.

If House Republicans abandon the cornerstone of their party and agree to Obama's tax increases, they are almost certain to lose the support of much of their base. The fallout would likely be worse than 1992.

After all, if conservatives can't count on the GOP to hold the line on taxes, what good are they?

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 112th; 2012; cliff; debt; economy; fiscalcliff; spending
We only have our principles.
1 posted on 11/30/2012 12:51:01 AM PST by GVnana
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To: GVnana
The rats have a heck of a negotiating position - - they don't have to bring anything to the table.

Have you noticed how the attention of the Democrat "mainstream" news media is focused entirely on what the Republicans will "give up"; what the Republicans will relent on; what the Republicans will cave on? (Naturally, the Democrat "mainstream" newsrooms are pushing the GOP to commit party suicide by agreeing to otherwise thoroughly meaningless, drop-in-the-bucket tax hikes.) So... what, exactly, are the rats bringing to the table? An agreement to "slow the rate of spending growth"? Wow, big whup.

NOT... ONE... WORD... from the Democrat "mainstream" newsrooms about what Ubama and the rats are offering to give up to get a deal done. No matter WHAT the Republicans do, the newsrooms will make sure they get full blame for both spending "cuts" AND tax hikes. The rats have nothing at stake! What's to "negotiate"? Talk about a lose/lose situation for the GOP.... Whew.

Absolutely the best thing that can happen is to go over the "fiscal cliff". The Republicans at this point should be strategizing how to make sure Ubanga and the rats catch as much of the blame as possible. The PR game starts YESTERDAY for the Republicans, and they are already playing catch-up - - the rats have been working on it all along. And now is the time for Republicans to go nuclear - - I mean, Ubanga is taking off for vacation in Hawaii while the nation is on the brink of economic calamity? That's some "leadership" there...

By the way, an added bonus for refusing to cave to the rats and strike a deal is that the GOP House will then get the chance to wrap the upcoming debt ceiling debate around Ubanga's neck.

2 posted on 11/30/2012 1:12:07 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: GVnana

This is what Newt was referring to- for the republicans to stop negotiating with the democrats. Newt said tonight that both sides had been talking deals in secret meetings. He told house republicans to stop that now. May explain why the current Speaker and McConnell are trying to look aggressive now since Rush and Newt hammered them on these actions. From Newt’s interview, it’s one huge cluster mess up there. Those people up there have got our government so messed up it will take someone strong as steel to fix it. Those people up there, won’t be able to. They all should be thrown out today to the curb. Newt said investigations should already be happening to look into the Treasury’s corruption. It would take someone very intelligent to get reforms up there. Newt says this artificial cliff was caused by the repubs and dems who are there now. They did it, they are to blame. He said it was no hurry to agree on the democrats huge spending/increase govt bill. He said they could extend and break up the huge bill into one step at a time. He said the media frenzy, we should ignore because they don’t get it/covering for Obama to hurt the repubs.


3 posted on 11/30/2012 1:16:26 AM PST by Christie at the beach (I like Newt. Our nation's foundation is under attack.)
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To: Christie at the beach
Newt talked like the urgency being made by the media, was just completely overboard (my word)..that the bills could be put on hold by breaking them up..i think this has been a scam to scare people Imo to get another aok blank check to increase taxes for spending and punishing the producers of the country. Those people up there are crooks. I knew our government was a mess though after hearing Newt, i just don't know, who can turn this around. They are the ones who are breaking the country (NOT US!) They are wanting to save their butts, too. Both sides are doing these things with out of control spending. The current Speaker has let us down, now we all look to him, to stop Obama.
4 posted on 11/30/2012 1:27:28 AM PST by Christie at the beach (I like Newt. Our nation's foundation is under attack.)
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To: Christie at the beach

one reason
they are completely incapable of negotiating a deal that helps.
They should be saying every day
what is your plan mr. president??
what is your plan?
Then laugh


5 posted on 11/30/2012 2:08:22 AM PST by genghis
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To: Christie at the beach

Foxes in the hen house..


6 posted on 11/30/2012 2:09:48 AM PST by jazzlite (esat)
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To: Christie at the beach

Foxes in the hen house..


7 posted on 11/30/2012 2:10:01 AM PST by jazzlite (esat)
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To: GVnana

Let the massive spending cuts and tax hikes hit. Tired of this charade.


8 posted on 11/30/2012 3:01:15 AM PST by gotribe
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To: GVnana
From that article, "Congressman: Obama's Tax Increases Fund Government for Eight Days"
9 posted on 11/30/2012 3:24:32 AM PST by TwelveOfTwenty (Ho, ho, hey, hey, I'm BUYcotting Chick-Fil-A)
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To: Christie at the beach

Mitt Romney said Obama was a good man. I am pretty Obama is negotiating in good faith, or Romney would not have been so firm on how good a person Obama is. A good man would not go on vacation for three weeks while the country faced dire economic calamity.

Newt is a bad person. He is nutty. He used to challenge the Democrats and go after them when they did bad stuff. And he was mean. He made Jim Wright, Speaker, leave the House. If he were in charge he would be in attack mode all the time, charging the Democrats with not caring about the economy, the middle class, or anything but their power. That’s no way to negotiate in good faith. That’s why he lost the primary when Romney ran all the ads in Ohio saying how unethical and crazy Newt was.

Romney would be able to work bi-partisan with the Democrats. That’s what he did in Massachussets. He would definitely get a deal with Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi. Newt should stop whining and suggest the Republicans being in Mitt to help broker a deal fast, on the Fiscal Cliff, like he did when he got RomneyCare. Mitt is a businessman. Not a nut. He could get this deal done fast.


11 posted on 11/30/2012 3:44:19 AM PST by Kentfromohio
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To: GVnana

It’s time for Americans to take THEIR election “revenge”. This is the ‘RATS’ mess. Force them to OWN it! They GOOBERS need to wish Barry and his ‘RATS a Merry Christmas and hit the links or get a “pickup” basketball game going. It’s Miller Time! Screw the cliff!


12 posted on 11/30/2012 4:46:09 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Don't tax me bro! Tax that guy over there!)
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To: GVnana
Here is where the GOP leaders screwed up. It is only a fiscal cliff in the GOP's opinion. In the Democrats opinion, the are going to realize their Holy Trinity: Tax Increases, Cuts in all Spending but entitlements and ObamaCare.

The reality is that unless we reform the tax code in a way that takes out cronyism, engage in entitlement reform, and repeal Obamacare, nothing positive will come out negotiation with the RATS for the country. At the same time, any deal will compromise conservative values and destroy the party.

Sometimes in negotiation you got to be willing to walk away to let the thing blow up and then pick up the pieces. However, the GOP needs to market the situation in that the Rats and the President don't really want to negotiation because everything that is coming is by their design. This is not some sort of unfortunate cosmic alignment. Time to take responsibility for your Utopian policies.

13 posted on 11/30/2012 4:59:34 AM PST by 11th Commandment (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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To: GVnana

Yup. That’s about right. They have the guns, the will to use them, and all we have are rocks to throw, and words to say.

Use every obstruction we have at hand. Force them into frustration. Break their demeanor, and cause them to expose themselves, who they really are.

Push THEM over the cliff. Make them scream their obscenities loud and clear on the way down.


14 posted on 11/30/2012 5:19:28 AM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: GVnana

All the things in the Fiscal Cliff are things that are going to happen anyway. Tax increases, defense cuts, sequestration... They are all inevitable, because we can’t keep spending more than we take in indefinitely.

I say we face this now, in this small way, rather than facing a bigger problem later. Sure, we are still screwed, but we will be slightly less screwed in a few years if this roadblock is placed in the way of the Leviathan.

The Republicans should continue to negotiate, and then when the deadline nears, they should lay out for the American people the positions offered by both sides. So far, the Republicans have been willing to deal, but the Democrats are demanding the Moon and stars and offering nothing in return. The Republicans should lay all that on the table, point out that the Democrats are not negotiating in good faith, and walk away.

Since the Middle Class is to be the beneficiaries of all of the new Obama largesse, it is only fair that they should get their share of the tax increases.


15 posted on 11/30/2012 5:27:12 AM PST by Haiku Guy (If you have a right / To the service I provide / I must be your slave)
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To: GVnana

ONLY spending cuts can make a difference!

The tax hike Obama says he wants would run the gov’t for less than 8 days.

Note: NONE of it would be used to pay off debt, it would be spent 3 times.

If Obama CONFISCATED THE ENTIRE WEALTH of that 1%, it would run the gov’t for less than 4 months, and you can only do that ONCE!


16 posted on 11/30/2012 5:35:09 AM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: Lancey Howard
The rats have a heck of a negotiating position - - they don't have to bring anything to the table.

Unless the Repubs insist. Obama signed the bill that defined the cliff and it is his law that will cause the fall. If the Dims don't put something substantial on the table, the Repubs can merely say that in the spirit of bipartisanship, they will not nay-say what the Won has decreed.

17 posted on 11/30/2012 5:36:03 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: GVnana

ping for later


18 posted on 11/30/2012 5:37:58 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: GVnana

Call the POS’s bluff and let it all fall down. Give the thug what he wants.


19 posted on 11/30/2012 5:39:04 AM PST by jersey117
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To: GVnana; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; Impy; stephenjohnbanker; NFHale; ...
3. Going Over the Cliff Gives Republicans Time to Fix Their Messaging
The biggest negotiating disadvantage Republicans are at right now is that they're getting murdered on the messaging front. Both the media and Obama are running circles around a Party that seems thoroughly incapable of making the case for spending cuts and against raising taxes — a position that was once so easy to articulate it actually won us a few elections.
What the GOP needs more than a lousy deal is time to regroup, get their message down, and come up with a post-holiday plan for a media offensive that will get a message across that penetrates.

Exactly!
I keep repeating this over and over again for two years and certainly the election should be a wakeup call. All those R House surrenders to O should too.

I will repeat my suggestions here that address this problem specifically:

1) Pass the partial extension of the tax cuts through the House to disarm Obama and Dems of that club, then get on TV and make sure voters know you are not for raising taxes on the middle class.
Then you can walk away from Obama’s/Geitners list of outragous demands.

2) And create a video commercial of all the Dems who have been lining up calling to go over the cliff to use as a club to beat Dems with next January when the heat really goes up.

Then go over the cliff and make Dems and O own it, unlike the other standoffs. Try to win this time,.

20 posted on 11/30/2012 5:42:31 AM PST by sickoflibs (Has Bohner caved to Obama again yet?)
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To: Lancey Howard

No Democrat wants to take responsibility for their own actions.

As then Spkr. Rep. Nancy Pelosi once said: “We have to pass Obama’care’ to see what is in it.”

And now Benghazi-Coward Obama’s Democrats are saying: ‘We have to go over Obama’s Fiscal Cliff to see how far we fall financially.’


21 posted on 11/30/2012 6:00:54 AM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: gotribe
Let the massive spending cuts and tax hikes hit. Tired of this charade.

Defense needs to tighten its belt, too. Bring on the cliff!

22 posted on 11/30/2012 6:12:46 AM PST by Night Hides Not (The Tea Party was the earthquake, and Chick Fil A the tsunami...100's of aftershocks to come.)
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To: GVnana
What they want is a rerun of 1992 in 2014

I agree. They will also successfully blame the GOP if we go over the "cliff". The media, as much as we hate it, works.

The only way to preserve principal and allow Obama to own the havoc about to come is to agree to abstain.

Tell your constituents that sadly the best remaining way to defeat socialism and a complicit media is to allow the country to see it full-force. Ask them to unite and help each other through the tough times that are yet to come.

In my opinion, we went over the cliff already when more people voted themselves money and perks than those that did not.
23 posted on 11/30/2012 6:38:19 AM PST by mmichaels1970
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To: GVnana
5. A Tax-Hike Without Meaningful Spending Cuts Is Meaningless
Every year we rack up over a trillion dollars in unsustainable debt, and it's just a fact that even if Obama got everything he wanted with respect to this income tax increase, it adds up to a drop in the bucket -- it's purely symbolic.

This is a point that needs to be pounded into the sheeple - TAX INCREASES WILL NOT FIX THE PROBLEM. Spending will have to be cut, significantly and NOW.

Someone needs to ask Obama why he's stumping for a solution (tax increases) that everyone knows won't work. Could it be he really doesn't want to fix anything, he just wants an excuse to raise taxes?

None of what I've said is new, or secret. Most every conservative knows this already. Obama and the Dems know too. So why is no one saying it?

24 posted on 11/30/2012 6:50:07 AM PST by ZOOKER ( Exploring the fine line between cynicism and outright depression)
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To: Kentfromohio
Newt should stop whining and suggest the Republicans being in Mitt to help broker

I'm not sure if you are a Troll, or just very subtle in your sarcasm. I went to look at your other posts and see: This account has been banned or suspended. so I know what conclusion the mods came to.

It you aren't a Troll, and get unbanned, try adding /s to such comments.

25 posted on 11/30/2012 7:07:45 AM PST by Pilsner
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To: GVnana

The title of this article is part of the problem with GOP messaging. Only Barack Obama is going to take us over the cliff. And if it happens they should call him out on it, and not hestitate to go to the microphones and call him foolish and cruelly anti-jobs and maybe go ahead and call him a jackass. Say it. The Dems demonize us all day long with never an apology, it’s long past time to push back. Aggressively.


26 posted on 11/30/2012 7:22:33 AM PST by cookcounty ("For the first time in my adult life I am not proud of my country.")
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To: Pilsner

“..not sure if you are a Troll...”

I thought that post was perfect sarcasm until I saw no sarcasm tag... could that post have been meant for real?? We are living inside the Alice in Wonderland rabbit hole.
I am not giving up hope because I am Christian, however am coming close.

Republicans MUST sit back, abstain and let the RATS go over the cliff. There is no other way. Will they do it? Where is our leadership? This is why I wanted Newt to get the nomination...

Anyway, good catch.


27 posted on 11/30/2012 8:25:19 AM PST by stonehouse01 (Equal rights for unborn women)
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To: Christie at the beach
Those people up there have got our government so messed up it will take someone strong as steel to fix it. Those people up there, won’t be able to. They all should be thrown out today to the curb.

That can't be repeated often enough. I'm ready to fire the whole government, lock, stock and barrel, from Obama down to the mailman. This is the most incompetent, criminal collection of misfits and traitors, who've ever held office.

28 posted on 11/30/2012 8:43:20 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Kentfromohio
Romney would be able to work bi-partisan with the Democrats. That’s what he did in Massachussets. He would definitely get a deal with Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi. Newt should stop whining and suggest the Republicans being in Mitt to help broker a deal fast, on the Fiscal Cliff, like he did when he got RomneyCare. Mitt is a businessman. Not a nut. He could get this deal done fast.

RINO much? That screed couldn't have been better written by any run-of-the-mill liberal Democrat.

Romney isn't a principled conservative. Any deal he'd broker with the Democrats would favor enlarging government and federal spending, and would do little to address the root causes of our fiscal dilemma.

When he had a chance to prove his mettle in Massachusetts, he caved in to the Democrats. Every stinking time.

The man is a gutless politician, just like the rest of the vultures on Capitol Hill. You bet he'd get a 'deal' done with them, but it wouldn't move us a single inch back from the fiscal cliff.

29 posted on 11/30/2012 8:54:03 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: sickoflibs

” 1) Pass the partial extension of the tax cuts through the House to disarm Obama and Dems of that club, then get on TV and make sure voters know you are not for raising taxes on the middle class.
Then you can walk away from Obama’s/Geitners list of outragous demands.

2) And create a video commercial of all the Dems who have been lining up calling to go over the cliff to use as a club to beat Dems with next January when the heat really goes up.

Then go over the cliff and make Dems and O own it, unlike the other standoffs”

This would work.


30 posted on 11/30/2012 8:57:35 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker
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To: GVnana

Any way you slice it we’re dead.

Let’s die on principle.


31 posted on 11/30/2012 8:59:01 AM PST by Tzimisce (What do you do when every every branch of the government is corrupt and aligned against you?)
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To: stephenjohnbanker; GOPsterinMA; Gilbo_3; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; DoughtyOne; Impy; NFHale; ...
RE :”This would work.”

Thanks, I am long since tired of Rs screwing up these fights.
If I was a Dem now it would be laughs and parties every day for me, they never had things so good.

If this R party was in charge of D-day then they would of broadcasted their specific beach landing positions to the troops uncoded on AM radio, in England, so the Krauts could listen and plan the slaughter. Commander Klink and Sgt Schultz would be in charge of the landing too.

Calling them cowards wouldnt help much when the Germans rolled in the tanks and bombs and killed them before they even reached shore because of sheer stupidity.

How's this analogy GOPsterinMA ?? :)

32 posted on 11/30/2012 9:12:04 AM PST by sickoflibs (Has Bohner caved to Obama again yet?)
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To: sickoflibs; All

I, ...I, ...I See Stars, floating in the sky.


33 posted on 11/30/2012 9:18:43 AM PST by GOPsterinMA (The autopsy will show that this nation committed suicide.)
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To: Christie at the beach

the 1996 battle killed Gingrich


34 posted on 11/30/2012 11:50:09 AM PST by Homer1
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To: Homer1

I think what hurt Newt, the most was the leftist media going after him for exposing Jim Wright. Remember the charges of that dang history lesson course and his book. It went on and on. I think he just was pressured by his fellow colleagues to leave since they would be punished at the polls. They were cowardly, not to defend him and began this new cross over to work with these leftists dems. It has hurt us ever since. Now, we see them not only as leftists, but many up there on that side, are radicals. Imo.


35 posted on 11/30/2012 12:18:59 PM PST by Christie at the beach (I like Newt. Our nation's foundation is under attack.)
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To: Lancey Howard
GOP really is the Stupid Party. They have a great precedent in 1994: Gingrich pledged to cut taxes and balance the budget. The media whores literally guffawed and ridiculed him on the air for months. Then the GOP took Congress and it all happened, just like Gingrich said it would.

Boehner should quit the circle-jerking, pass a budget that deals with the debt and spending issues. let the 'rats do what they will. If it goes down, then so be it. I bet if they were ever challenged by someone who meant it, they'd have to compromise, for once.

I know. I'm dreaming. But it wouldn't be hard if we had men in Washington.

36 posted on 11/30/2012 4:21:13 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard
I know. I'm dreaming. But it wouldn't be hard if we had men in Washington.

But we don't. At least we don't have enough. What we have is mostly a pack of pandering cowards. (Look at Saxby Chambliss as a prime example.) If the Republicans cave to the rats I look forward to primarying their asses out of there. And I am long done voting for "the lesser of two evils. Look where that got us.

37 posted on 11/30/2012 5:42:19 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Kentfromohio

Kent, You voted for Obama and need to quit FR right now!

You have no clue what the F*** you’re talking about!


38 posted on 11/30/2012 5:47:17 PM PST by Randy Larsen (Aim small, Miss small.)
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