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Can House Stop U.N. Arms Trade Treaty Gun Grab?
IBD EDITORIALS ^ | November 23, 2012

Posted on 11/23/2012 4:14:54 PM PST by raptor22

Second Amendment: A House resolution, as futile as it may be, represents growing opposition to another administration bow to the U.N. encroachment on U.S. sovereignty at the expense of its laws and even our Constitution.

Treaties are ratified by a two-thirds majority of the Senate, and the final version of the U.N.'s Arms Trade Treaty (ATT) may likely be signed by this president and ratified by this Senate, especially if presented as a "sensible restriction" on international arms trafficking with no impact on our Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms.

But some House members are not going to let it happen without a justified protest.

Before the House left for the Thanksgiving break, Rep. Mike Kelly, R-Pa., unveiled a resolution to make the treaty not binding and let no federal funds implement it unless the Senate consents and Congress passes implementing legislation.

The resolution is co-sponsored by 76 other House members, including some Democrats.

"There is considerable cause for alarm regarding the U.N.'s renewed efforts to forge an Arms Trade Treaty that could trample the constitutional rights of Americans and seriously compromise our national security and the security of our allies, whom we will be less able to arm and less quick to defend due to the restrictions placed on us by the ATT," Kelly said.

One of their key objections is with the requirement in the July draft of the treaty — which will be the starting point for final negotiations — for each member state to keep records on "end users," or gun purchasers, for a minimum of 10 years.

Hence, Americans who purchase an imported firearm may have to be registered in the country of origin. Ammunition could also be tracked and logged the same way.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.investors.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government
KEYWORDS: 2a; 2ndamendment; armstradetreaty; banglist; govtabuse; guncontrol; gungrab; guns; ibd; ibdguns; keepandbeararms; rkba; rtkba; secondamendment; tyranny
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1 posted on 11/23/2012 4:15:01 PM PST by raptor22
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To: raptor22

Please.

A treaty cannot override the Constitution.

Any politician who tries to should be charged with treason


2 posted on 11/23/2012 4:18:27 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: raptor22

I am not sure that even a GOP super-majority in the House would prevent them from capitulating on most issues.


3 posted on 11/23/2012 4:21:11 PM PST by CatOwner
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To: GeronL

How many times has Obama and the Dems overridden the responsibilities of their respective offices? How many times have any of them been charged with treason?

There’s your answer.


4 posted on 11/23/2012 4:26:44 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Jonty30

Yep.

Just look how much power the Congress has handed over to the Executive Branch. A budget hasn’t been passed in 3 years and yet, the government is still open and running trillion and a half dollar deficits.


5 posted on 11/23/2012 4:32:08 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: raptor22

treaties cannot rewrite the constitution.

if so it’d be easier to do that than have the states amend it.

anything in a treaty that opposes something in the constitution, is null and void.


6 posted on 11/23/2012 4:35:17 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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7 posted on 11/23/2012 4:41:35 PM PST by raptor22 (Join me on Twitter @gerfingerpoken)
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8 posted on 11/23/2012 4:42:19 PM PST by raptor22 (Join me on Twitter @gerfingerpoken)
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Treaties are ratified by a two-thirds majority of the Senate,

Gad, even IBD has it wrong. Treaties are ratified by a two-thirds of Senators PRESENT, IOW as few as 34 with a minimum quorum. Treaties have been ratified with no record of a quorum at all.

9 posted on 11/23/2012 4:44:37 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing indenture since 1787.)
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To: GeronL
A treaty cannot override the Constitution.

They already have, and have stood as such for over 70 years.

Better take a harder look at that comma in the supremacy clause.

10 posted on 11/23/2012 4:46:11 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing indenture since 1787.)
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To: Carry_Okie

lolz

the comma!

Who added that comma and when?

Maybe a bug died there.


11 posted on 11/23/2012 4:48:43 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Secret Agent Man
treaties cannot rewrite the constitution.

They already have and have stood as such for over 70 years.

if so it’d be easier to do that than have the states amend it.

Yes, that was exactly Hamilton's intent, for which Henry took him to task in the Virginia Ratifying Convention, and for naught. You can read about that here.

anything in a treaty that opposes something in the constitution, is null and void.

We all wish. It just doesn't work that way. Take a harder look at that nasty comma in the supremacy clause.

12 posted on 11/23/2012 4:50:16 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing indenture since 1787.)
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To: GeronL
Who added that comma and when?

It was always there. It restructures the construction of the entire clause from what one would otherwise rationally think. It sure as hell has been enforced that way.

13 posted on 11/23/2012 4:52:02 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing indenture since 1787.)
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To: Carry_Okie

These people really are getting tiresome.


14 posted on 11/23/2012 5:01:36 PM PST by IGOTMINE (1911s FOREVER!)
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To: Carry_Okie

The statement was correct as written. “Present” is assumed.


15 posted on 11/23/2012 5:13:45 PM PST by raptor22 (Join me on Twitter @gerfingerpoken)
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To: Carry_Okie

any law repugnant to the constitution is null and void.

i’d like to se them pass it. they’d have no idea what kind of hell they’d unleash.


16 posted on 11/23/2012 5:17:22 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: raptor22

If the repubs in the senate stand united this will die because it will not be ratified. If they don’t ell what else is new.....maybe some gun toting lefty will help out


17 posted on 11/23/2012 5:24:22 PM PST by Nifster
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To: Secret Agent Man

yeah see how that flies with Roberts in the supreme court....Mr I wanna be liked will find a way to turn it into something it isn’t


18 posted on 11/23/2012 5:25:37 PM PST by Nifster
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To: raptor22
Can House Stop U.N. Arms Trade Treaty Gun Grab?

That's Not the Question Folks. The real issue lies in a much more valuable sentence.

Will the US House of Representatives Stop U.N. Arms Trade Treaty Gun Grab? You see, we have allowed the Hard Left to manipulate us by utilizing a technique called permeation. This maneuver requires a Southern GOP politician of some note to co-sponsor this new legislation.

I expect he will emerge shortly. Don't hold your breath folks, the Dixiecrat turn coat will come forth soon. Mark my words.

Paging Lindsay Graham, pick up the white curtesy phone please.

19 posted on 11/23/2012 5:28:07 PM PST by STD (“Cogito, ergo armatum sum)
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To: raptor22

The House has nothing to do with treaties.


20 posted on 11/23/2012 5:29:01 PM PST by RIghtwardHo
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