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Victor Davis Hanson: A Country Unhinged
Private Papers ^ | November 15, 2012 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 11/16/2012 6:15:00 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

In the last week, it is almost as if the entire American moral landscape has been turned upside down in eerie fashion — in matters that vastly transcend fornication and adultery. The Petraeus-gate matter is the stuff of tabloids now; but soon the real issues relating to when and what Eric Holder knew, and by extension the president, and how exactly Benghazi (the crime of indifference to the besieged, the cover-up of the truth, the actual mission of our consulate and annex) fits into this labyrinth of deceit, both petty and fundamental, may overshadow the present sensationalism.

Nothing seems real anymore, not pre-election federal data on jobs or food stamps or the release of such “facts”; not foreign-policy information like an Iranian attack on a drone; not the supposedly competent federal relief in response to Hurricane Sandy. Even Saddam Hussein’s plebiscites could not achieve margins like the 19,605 to 0 we saw in 59 Philadelphia precincts. Does anyone care?

Susan Rice, who flat out deceived five times in a single day on national TV, is supposedly seriously being considered as Secretary of State when Ms. Clinton leaves — the latter now plans to be “busy” when hearings on Libya resume. (If a John Bolton cannot be confirmed as a UN ambassador, how could Rice avoid a filibuster?) How can anyone now read Broadwell’s book and assume the research and analysis are disinterested?(continued)

(Excerpt) Read more at victorhanson.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: benghazi; hillary; obama; susanrice; vdh
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To: SE Mom

I suggest getting in touch with your inner rebel.


81 posted on 11/17/2012 6:31:52 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: robowombat
Chill out and go back and read my post. Your post 43 was spot on. We are on the same side. "7thson" is out to lunch that was the purpose of my post.

Friendly fire ....

82 posted on 11/17/2012 6:36:56 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
One symptom of this entire tragedy (or is it dark comedy now?) is the shocking degree of casual sorta/kinda rules and protocols — strange (or rather predictable) in this era of vast bureaucratic rules. How exactly did national-security and military affairs come to resemble Keeping Up with the Kardashians?

Because rules are for the little people.

And the little people are easily quieted by free stuff.

83 posted on 11/17/2012 6:37:36 AM PST by hopespringseternal
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To: 7thson

Don’t give me that crap about Southern liberty when the south was keeping millions in slavery!

I guess it depends on whose liberty is in question.


84 posted on 11/17/2012 6:45:24 AM PST by csmusaret (I will give Obama credit for one thing- he is living proof that familiarity breeds contempt.)
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To: Drew68

I see the same reality but am actually pretty optimistic. It’s just been my life experience that for every door that is slammed close another one seems to open.

In the last week we’ve had how many people sign secession petitions in how many states? While I’m officially undecided on secession, it does fill me with hope as there are a seriously large number of folks thare righteously pissed off and looking to give something else a try. Even if it’s radically different than what we’re used to.


85 posted on 11/17/2012 7:10:26 AM PST by RKBA Democrat
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To: gonzo

Cryptic reference but funny. Thanks for the chuckle.


86 posted on 11/17/2012 7:28:21 AM PST by RKBA Democrat
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To: no-to-illegals

This post is incredibly cryptic. May we acolytes have a hint? Or are these things that need not be discussed in polite and genteel company?

I happen to like storytelling. Its often more reflective of reality than so called nonfiction. Amazing the amount of information that a carefully woven tale can impart, no?


87 posted on 11/17/2012 7:39:08 AM PST by RKBA Democrat
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To: RKBA Democrat
Amazing, yes, when God's Hand does the writing. Being no God, or helper of God, I fail. I do want to make it clear though, I loath satan.
88 posted on 11/17/2012 7:44:58 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: central_va
I suggest getting in touch with your inner rebel.

A fine suggestion- I will surely consider it as an alternative to the despair I'm in the grip of at present.

89 posted on 11/17/2012 7:45:26 AM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: yarddog
Our country has gone insane. There are parts which still work but for the most part the country is crazy.

The insane parts are primarily heavily populated urban areas.

I recall an experiment done with rats many years ago, and the effects of 'too many rats in the cage' seem to be similar in humans, too.

90 posted on 11/17/2012 7:51:14 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: central_va

Very sorry. It was a long Friday night. My humble apologies.


91 posted on 11/17/2012 7:55:41 AM PST by robowombat
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Nothing seems real anymore, not pre-election federal data on jobs or food stamps or the release of such “facts”; not foreign-policy information like an Iranian attack on a drone; not the supposedly competent federal relief in response to Hurricane Sandy. Even Saddam Hussein’s plebiscites could not achieve margins like the 19,605 to 0 we saw in 59 Philadelphia precincts. Does anyone care?

I guess VDH has seen The Matrix (or read the book on Neo's shelf).

92 posted on 11/17/2012 7:58:57 AM PST by x
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To: robowombat

History is always written by the winner.


93 posted on 11/17/2012 8:03:13 AM PST by RKBA Democrat
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To: SE Mom
There is nothing solid anywhere- there is no constant, no reliable place to say, well at least THAT is still there.

For thousands of years ,landowners owned everything beneath their property to the center of the earth and everything above their property to the heavens. Then, in the twentieth century, those rights were just taken away in a case called United States v. Causby. So now, people can fly planes over your land, through what always been your airspace without ever asking for or paying for your permission.

The collectivists won that battle without firing a shot. Things have just gotten progressively (pun intended) worse since then.

94 posted on 11/17/2012 8:05:50 AM PST by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: Smokeyblue
We grew up in a country where a white majority had standards, rules, laws, accountability, logic and most importantly rationality.

...and, for the most part, only voted once.

95 posted on 11/17/2012 8:17:54 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: livius

Our political system is efficient in the sense that it selects leadership that is reflective of the underlying morals and philosophy of the electorate that chose them. While it is by no means unanimous...keep in mind that a large portion of the electorate still chooses sanity, its obvious that the sane and engaged are currently outnumbered.


96 posted on 11/17/2012 8:19:58 AM PST by RKBA Democrat
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To: central_va

I’m so stealing that.


97 posted on 11/17/2012 8:23:08 AM PST by RKBA Democrat (Getting in touch with the inner rebel)
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To: Ann Archy
Can you imagine RATIONING today???? OMG!!

They won't call it that. They'll just make sure the stores are nearly empty and only the people who have time to stand in line will get just one (whatever).

Folks who work won't have that kind of time...

98 posted on 11/17/2012 8:28:20 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: ohioman
Interesting. The war in Missouri is a frightening object lesson in how thin the veneer of civilization is. There have been few books written on this part of the war in comparison to the sea of volumes on the ‘high end’ campaigns east or west. If you have not read it I strongly recommend ‘Inside War: The Guerrilla Conflict in Missouri During the American Civil War’ by Michael Fellman. Published in 1990 there are plenty of paperback copies around and it is available on line as a Google Book. This is a sociological study of the dynamics of the internal war within the borders of Mo. Fascinating and disturbing and Prof Fellman is a pretty fair writer. Jay Monaghan’s ‘Civil War on the Western Border’ is now nearly 50 years old and is episodic but does cover the conflict from its real origins in the Kansas guerrilla war that raged for several years before 1861. For a worm’s eye view of the union side there is Starr's ‘Jennison’s Jayhawkers’ which is a good very detailed modern history of the 7th Kansas, which the dust jacket pulls no punches stating ‘No other unit in the Union Army had so evil a reputation or had done so much to deserve it as the Seventh Kansas Volunteer Cavalry.’ Every town in much of the state must have had families that would never speak a word to certain other families even though that might live on the same street for decades.

Kentucky presents an even bigger void in narratives. Aside from Merton Coulter’s book on Kentucky in the war and reconstruction, I do not know of any extended book length general treatment of the conflict in that state. Coulter’s book is now more than seventy years old and the subject seems ripe for a new treatment. There are a number of books on expat Confederate military units. One of the best is William Davis ‘The Orphan Brigade’ published in 1980. The war seems to have left deeper scars in Kentucky than Missouri. A number of prominent unionists found it expedient to leave the state after the war. The odious General Burbage among the first. The bitterness of the post war divide is clearly illustrated by the incredible events surrounding the assassination of Gov. Goebel and the near state civil war that followed. This is another chapter in US history that cries out for a good non-specialist book length treatment.

Being from the South does give one a somewhat different perspective on history and makes current events disturbing as it evokes some old memories of how bad events can go.

The internal war in Missouri seems to have been so traumatic that after it was over aside from permanently alienated groups such as the James-Yonger Gang, people simply drew a curtain of oblivion over the events of 61-65 for day to day purposes. While politics were intense in the state there doesn't appear to have been the kind of protracted political violence that continued in Louisiana , for example

99 posted on 11/17/2012 8:35:10 AM PST by robowombat
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To: gonzo
That is so a racist post. LOL!

I know you also hate black people. LOL!

Check your stores, logistics, and commo, the status of the nation doesn't look good.

BLOAT.

5.56mm

100 posted on 11/17/2012 10:47:20 AM PST by M Kehoe
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