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Victor Davis Hanson: A Country Unhinged
Private Papers ^ | November 15, 2012 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 11/16/2012 6:15:00 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

In the last week, it is almost as if the entire American moral landscape has been turned upside down in eerie fashion — in matters that vastly transcend fornication and adultery. The Petraeus-gate matter is the stuff of tabloids now; but soon the real issues relating to when and what Eric Holder knew, and by extension the president, and how exactly Benghazi (the crime of indifference to the besieged, the cover-up of the truth, the actual mission of our consulate and annex) fits into this labyrinth of deceit, both petty and fundamental, may overshadow the present sensationalism.

Nothing seems real anymore, not pre-election federal data on jobs or food stamps or the release of such “facts”; not foreign-policy information like an Iranian attack on a drone; not the supposedly competent federal relief in response to Hurricane Sandy. Even Saddam Hussein’s plebiscites could not achieve margins like the 19,605 to 0 we saw in 59 Philadelphia precincts. Does anyone care?

Susan Rice, who flat out deceived five times in a single day on national TV, is supposedly seriously being considered as Secretary of State when Ms. Clinton leaves — the latter now plans to be “busy” when hearings on Libya resume. (If a John Bolton cannot be confirmed as a UN ambassador, how could Rice avoid a filibuster?) How can anyone now read Broadwell’s book and assume the research and analysis are disinterested?(continued)

(Excerpt) Read more at victorhanson.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: benghazi; hillary; obama; susanrice; vdh
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1 posted on 11/16/2012 6:15:05 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Great article. Dead on.


2 posted on 11/16/2012 6:20:06 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Great article. Dead on.


3 posted on 11/16/2012 6:20:18 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

These days, I find optimism difficult to come by, but when I do have an optimistic moment, I think that all of this stuff must surely lead to a society that fully embraces limited government — right? I mean: it’s an utter clown circus. Why on earth would people vote to spend $4T a year on such lies, deceit, debauchery, and incompetence? We will, as a country, wise up and eventually just say “No more” — right?


4 posted on 11/16/2012 6:24:42 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Global Warming is a religion, and I don't want to be taxed to pay for a faith that is not mine.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Something to e-mail to every talking head, every Senator and every House rep.

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Three Facts

Fact One:

1) Only the POTUS can authorize a CBA (cross border authority) command for a rescue mission in a foreign nation.

Plus Fact Two:

2) No rescue mission was attempted.

Equals Fact Three:

3) 0bama turned his back on 41 State Dept. and CIA employees refusing to issue a CBA command and went to bed so he could go to Las Vegas the next day.

5 posted on 11/16/2012 6:25:16 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hanson is always good. Thanks.


6 posted on 11/16/2012 6:26:54 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

A keeper. Thanks!


7 posted on 11/16/2012 6:26:57 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (We need Comprehensive Election Reform, NOW!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

All the Western nations are dying, and have been for over 40 years. When your highest ideal is non-discrimination & equality it blots out all rational thought. These are amazing times. In many respects we are seeing the begining of the end of the Western world. A great darkness will soon cover the globe. In 100 years I suspect civilization as we know it will be long gone.


8 posted on 11/16/2012 6:32:21 PM PST by LongWayHome
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Bookmark.


9 posted on 11/16/2012 6:32:46 PM PST by SunTzuWu
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
And how did that lead to an FBI agent photographing himself bare-chested and apparently infatuated with a married mother of three?

Misreading of the evidence. He is spouting what the left is pushing. I expect better of him.

10 posted on 11/16/2012 6:33:04 PM PST by kanawa
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Our country has gone insane. There are parts which still work but for the most part the country is crazy.

The odd think is how countries last after they have gone insane. Rome in the time of Nero Claudious and Calligula and many more was totall 100% crazy.

What kept the government going was the civil service. Those lower paid guys who just went about their business keeping the empire going.

Eventually even the civil service will surrender and all hell breaks loose. That is where you don’t want to be either at that time of place.

We will be there soon. We alrady have a modern nero as president.


11 posted on 11/16/2012 6:34:05 PM PST by yarddog (One shot one miss.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Wow, This is what needs to be repeated every hour of every day, truly pathetic.


12 posted on 11/16/2012 6:35:13 PM PST by eyeamok
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To: ClearCase_guy

Have not read the article yet, but my thoughts are that we are experiencing exactly what the greatest generation experienced. The roaring 20’s crash, depression and the world war that is sure to follow. Before a world can go to war, utter despair must take hold. Unfortunately, we lack the character and moral fiber of the greatest generation. So the outcome is far from certain. Guess we can find solace in the fact that millions of people feel just like us. Imagine how the Israelis feel right now. The latest rockets attacks near Tel Aviv and Jerusalem put 3.5 million Israeli’s within range.


13 posted on 11/16/2012 6:37:44 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Don't know why, but I think that if Israel suffered a Nuclear attack the Pretender In Chief would just let it happen.

Our enemies must look upon the apparent Apathy that has taken hold of our Nation as a sign of weakness. They will run roughshod over us knowing that we will do nothing in protest.

Four Americans Murdered due to Obama’s incompetence and whose names the average Citizen doesn't recognize, while we have Peyton Place at the Pentagon being reported on TMZ.

We are done as a Republic, no doubt about it. As soon as I realized the Kenyan won Reelection, I knew the Nation was too far gone and any hope for redemption had passed.

14 posted on 11/16/2012 6:39:59 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (Win or lose, Impeach Obama Ben Ghazi...)
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To: ClearCase_guy

they didn’t vote to spend $4 trillion/yr ... that’s soooo last year

they voted to insure 0bamacare gets implemented... which will be unfounded by AT LEAST $2 trillion

which, in short means... they voted for $6 trillion in spending (where we only bring in $2 trillion)

and yes, I’m very optimistic for the future... in that I’m certain what will happen. the results tho... won’t be pleasant


15 posted on 11/16/2012 6:46:00 PM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: ClearCase_guy
We will, as a country, wise up and eventually just say “No more” — right?

The election has left me very sad, in part because I believe the answer to your question is now "no."

16 posted on 11/16/2012 6:46:57 PM PST by HusbandMan
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Another problem that can’t be solved short of a civil war is that liberals & leftists hate conservatives more than life itself. Their hate is psychotic & they would side with Islam, China, anyone & everything before they would reach out to us.....their fellow countrymen. such is the place we find ourselves at.


17 posted on 11/16/2012 6:47:30 PM PST by LongWayHome
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I have been spending several hours each evening, trying to retrace my steps and find my way back through whatever mirror I walked through to get here. All we need now is Mr. Mxyzptlk to make an appearance, and this Mos-Eisley-Cantina clusterfluster will be complete.
18 posted on 11/16/2012 6:49:59 PM PST by PlateOfShrimp
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Nothing seems real anymore..."

Dead on.

19 posted on 11/16/2012 6:52:07 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: blueunicorn6

He sounds a bit discouraged.


20 posted on 11/16/2012 6:53:27 PM PST by Chuckster (The longer I live the less I care about what you think.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Now you know what Southerners felt like in 1850’s watching Yankees slowly take power and destroy liberty.


21 posted on 11/16/2012 6:55:39 PM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

We’re in something of a bubble. No need to fear. Cheaters and diabolical forces will get what is coming.


22 posted on 11/16/2012 6:57:25 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew (double trouble, here we come)
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To: Kickass Conservative

“Don’t know why, but I think that if Israel suffered a Nuclear attack the Pretender In Chief would just let it happen.”

I think you feel that way because he gives you reason to do so.


23 posted on 11/16/2012 6:58:55 PM PST by Pelham (America, 1775-2012)
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To: LongWayHome
In many respects we are seeing the begining of the end of the Western world. A great darkness will soon cover the globe. In 100 years I suspect civilization as we know it will be long gone.

A friend calls it "The Endarkenment".

24 posted on 11/16/2012 7:02:17 PM PST by SCalGal (Friends don't let friends donate to H$U$, A$PCA, or PETA.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
“We will, as a country, wise up and eventually just say “No more” — right?”

No. Some people will do just that, just not a majority.

We are now an a-morilistic society ... it didn't happen over night, but this last election confirmed it.
Now you will see explicit examples of the decline of American values and the rise of true debauchery of the American people in the months and years ahead.

Just like colonel whats-his-face said to John Rambo ... “It's over Johnny” ... and it ain't coming back.

25 posted on 11/16/2012 7:03:00 PM PST by CapnJack
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To: TigersEye
"3) 0bama turned his back on 41 State Dept. and CIA employees"

This is another fact which should be loudly broadcast. It is truly a tragedy that four brave souls lost their lives, but if not for their bravery we might have had 41 dead or kidnapped Americans.

26 posted on 11/16/2012 7:03:32 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“honorary consul general”

Mark Steyn:
“Mrs. Kelley is not a “consul general.” She is to accredited diplomats as our old chum Dr. Michael Mann is to Nobel laureates. She was apparently given a certificate by CentCom as an “honorary ambassador” — the sort of baloney the U.S. government does far too much of. Hence, the present absurdity:

On the one hand, a real ambassador at a real consulate under siege calls Washington for help and gets crickets chirping.”

`Honorary consul general’ sounds better than “courtesan”. This is corruption, decadence and shamelessness on stilts.


27 posted on 11/16/2012 7:04:21 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: LongWayHome
I honestly don't believe the radical left are my countrymen. They inhabit the same physical area but they are not my countrymen.
They are the enemy. Nothing more but nothing less.
As an historian I like to point out why there was some harmony in America after the revolution. Note some, not total harmony. Era of Good Feeling. After we beat the British we made most of the Tories leave. We didn't sit around and embrace and sing Kumbaya or something. We shipped out thousands and stole their stuff.The ones that stayed “became” adjusted to the idea of being patriotic. Nice. Needs to happen again if a liberal has anything worth keeping after they are dead or forced to leave the U.S.
28 posted on 11/16/2012 7:12:04 PM PST by prof.h.mandingo (Buck v. Bell (1927) An idea whose time has come (for extreme liberalism))
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To: LongWayHome

You are absolutely correct.


29 posted on 11/16/2012 7:17:32 PM PST by henkster ("The people who count the votes decide everything." -Joseph Stalin)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

For a filibuster to stop Susan Rice most of the Republicans would have to stand firm...hard to imagine them doing that in the face of the inevitable accusations of racism.


30 posted on 11/16/2012 7:18:59 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Holder and Obama: Implausible deniability.


31 posted on 11/16/2012 7:21:58 PM PST by AZLiberty (No tag today.)
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To: TigersEye

The POTUS is sure quick to order cross border kills (drones) but not cross border saves.


32 posted on 11/16/2012 7:26:43 PM PST by hulagirl (Mother Theresa was right)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We are fast approaching the point where we run out of stuff to give the parasites. And, the parasites are fast approaching the point where they outnumber us - the hosts. As in Biology 101, when the parasites outnumber the hosts, they will begin to eat the hosts. When the hosts are gone, the parasites will begin to eat each other. One consolation - we will be the first to go. This is not an attempt at levity.


33 posted on 11/16/2012 7:35:13 PM PST by jivin gene (Breakin' up is hard to do)
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To: central_va

You are so full of it. Don’t give me that crap about Southern liberty when the south was keeping millions in slavery!


34 posted on 11/16/2012 7:41:26 PM PST by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: jivin gene; 2ndDivisionVet
And, the parasites are fast approaching the point where they outnumber us - the hosts.

It's not even a question of numbers. Personal experience has shown me that if a person has a certain skin color, they are perceived by people of another skin color as being a "have" (regardless of their own personal circumstances) and are therefore seen as "owing" the second group (who designate themselves "the have nots") something.

35 posted on 11/16/2012 7:42:23 PM PST by thecodont
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To: annieokie; penelopesire; maggief; Protect the Bill of Rights; thouworm; SE Mom; Nachum; onyx; ...
Nothing seems real. I can vouch for that. Feel the same way myself.

Anyone wanting on or off this ping list, please advise.


Benghazi Index

36 posted on 11/16/2012 7:45:19 PM PST by MestaMachine (TREASON!!!!)
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To: thecodont
I ofttimes wonder how things would be different had President Lincoln lived through his second term.
37 posted on 11/16/2012 8:02:39 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Three questions for Benghazi-Coward Obama:

1.) Are you HIDING INFORMATION from the US Congress about the Benghazi Massacre?

2.) Have you been LYING to the US Congress, The Media, or the American Public about the Benghazi Massacre?

3.) Were you, as Commander in Chief, GROSSLY NEGLIGENT about your responsibilities to protect and assist those four Americans who subsequently were murdered in the Benghazi Massacre?

BTW, the large cap words were the same as the 3 charges handed down yesterday to BP for punishment of their Gulf of Mexico underwater blowout, a while back.

Since the US Government is going to hold a company accountable for their poor decisions, then it should hold its CIC accountable his poor decisions, AND use the same legal charges.


38 posted on 11/16/2012 8:07:04 PM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: hulagirl

Yes, he is. Drone strikes by the dozen in Pakistan without their permission. Drone strikes in Yemen. A major assault on the ground in a residential neighborhood to get bin Laden.


39 posted on 11/16/2012 8:19:35 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: HusbandMan
The election has left me very sad, in part because I believe the answer to your question is now "no."

I feel the same way. I look at every post I've made here since the election and I see they've almost all been cynical, dripping with sarcasm and contempt. Truth is, I just can't process how we lost this one. It isn't like '96 when we fielded a lousy candidate against Clinton enjoying a gangbuster economy. In this case, we fielded a decent, competent man against one of the worst economies ever and still had our asses handed to us.

I just feel that demographics have finally turned against us. Run a moderate and we lose the base. Run a conservative and we lose the middle. Either way, we lose. We've lost every demographic short of white males over 30 and married white females. This just can't cut it anymore. Nobody seems to be buying what we're selling and we'll never be able to compete against Santa Claus.

I find solace in the fact that I'm employed, have a great wife and beautiful kids. I think that from here on out, I'm just going to stand on the sidelines and watch it all crumble, making sure I look after me and mine.

40 posted on 11/16/2012 8:56:58 PM PST by Drew68
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Excellent.


41 posted on 11/16/2012 9:02:58 PM PST by Gator113 (I would have voted for NEWT, now it's Romney & Ryan.~Just livin' life, my way~)
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To: LongWayHome
Radical liberals or what ever you want to call them have some sort of psychological/emotional problem processing reality. In Israel obviously children of European descended Jews are taught how specifically to insult and demean IDF members manning checkpoints into paliwog land. Young tween girls taunt, curse, slap and sometimes spit on these soldiers while their adult handlers can be seen carefully videotaping the encounters hoping some soldier will eventually backhand one of these foolish children so the snippet can be uploaded as ‘proof’ of IDF brutality. One of the leftist adults when confronted about this behavior screamed ‘Its my right. I hate fu-king Israel. It should be destroyed. I hate fu-king Zionist Jews.’ That is the leftist mindset in action. Many of us first saw it here in the 60’s and it has grown and morphed into an international secular humanist death cult.
42 posted on 11/16/2012 9:59:14 PM PST by robowombat
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To: central_va
More like watching the remarkable public relations triumph the abolitionist minority pulled off over John Brown's incarceration and execution. Hundreds of churches tolling their bells, hysterically emotional ‘memorial services in a half dozen states, the carefully staged ‘martyr's funeral’ of Brown and a number of those killed at Harper’s Ferry. Sermon's published in thousands of copies comparing America's first terrorist to Christ and his band of heavily armed terrorists to the Apostles. In the first place this was blasphemous to a deeply religiously conservative folk such as Southerners were and secondly it meant that many of their fellow Americans were hailing a man who wished to incite a slave revolt of the bloodiest sort as the reincarnation of Christ. I believe that was the moment when a majority of white Southerners regardless of whether they were slave holders or not decided there was no place for them in a country that many of their countrymen wanted them and their wives and children slaughtered in the most brutal manner. Watching Obama’s people I begin to have some of the same feelings my ancestors did long ago.
43 posted on 11/16/2012 10:09:33 PM PST by robowombat
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To: 7thson
So, the institution of slavery was present in the thirteen colonies at the time of the Revolution and the states where slavery existed entered the federal union as such. Slavery was a legal and recognised institution and the economy of the South rested upon it. Hypocrites such as yourself who had no vested interest in the condition of the slave states could afford to dine out on their virtue. It costs t nothing and produced a warm glow of sanctimony not unlike what modern leftists feel as they contemplate what wonderfully virtuous folks they are.
44 posted on 11/16/2012 10:15:09 PM PST by robowombat
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>> Nothing seems real anymore

Corruption and being violated has a way of giving that impression.

Look, folks, we’re dealing with the “perfect storm” of deceit, misinformation, omissions, and greed. First, we modify the way information is disseminated to the citizens.


45 posted on 11/16/2012 10:16:16 PM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: robowombat

This is all very depressing....but facts are facts. We can’t ignore what we are seeing.


46 posted on 11/16/2012 10:20:50 PM PST by LongWayHome
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To: HusbandMan

I agree with you.The election has made me pretty much indifferent to politics The America that I knew as a kid some forty-five years ago has vanished and in it’s place is something I just don’t understand. Obama has seen to it to create a dependent class that will scream and holler if their ‘’free stuff’ is not forth coming.


47 posted on 11/16/2012 10:38:11 PM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: jmacusa

This election has made me *totally* indifferent to the suffering of Obama supporters.


48 posted on 11/16/2012 10:40:33 PM PST by Windcatcher (Obama is a COMMUNIST and the MSM is his armband-wearing propaganda machine.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What has changed is the demographics.

If only the white vote is taken into account it was 60-39 for Romney. A landslide. The America we all remember.

We grew up in a country where a white majority had standards, rules, laws, accountability, logic and most importantly rationality. The majority of whites - 60% still understand and respect the constitution.

While whites are still the majority but minorities grew just enough to join with the kooky white minority which has always existed to tip the scales in favor of the left.

The politicians are acting like they don’t have to answer to the majority of whites - 60% that are in an absolute rage about the criminal dysfunction. In fact, politicians of both stripes are scrambling to grant citizenship to illegals in an attempt to marginalize white voters who want all of these criminals held accountable.

51% (total Obama vote) - 39% (white) = 12% (all minorities)

That tiny differential of new minority voters is causing massive destruction. The tipping point where a tiny group pushed us over the edge since there are a large number of white people that are just too plain lazy or too apathetic to vote in the first place.


49 posted on 11/16/2012 10:43:56 PM PST by Smokeyblue
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To: Windcatcher
I hear you. I have two brothers and a sister who voted for Obama so for me it's personal. The Lefts and Libs are going to find out all they done is re-elected a new captain for the Titanic and we're all going to down with the ship.
50 posted on 11/16/2012 10:47:38 PM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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