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Petraeus Affair: Military Can Prosecute Adulterers
Yahoo! NEWS - ABC OTUS News ^ | Nov 12, 2012 | MARTHA RADDATZ

Posted on 11/12/2012 10:34:28 AM PST by the_Watchman

Retired Gen. David Petraeus, who resigned as CIA director last week after admitting an extramarital relationship, could possibly face military prosecution for adultery if officials turn up any evidence to counter his apparent claims that the affair began after he left the military...

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: adultery; benghazi; cia; notbreakingnews; petraeus; petraus; ucmj; usmilitary
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A shot across the bow! Perhaps Petraus won't be forthcoming to Congress with a threat of prosecution over his head.
1 posted on 11/12/2012 10:34:31 AM PST by the_Watchman
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To: the_Watchman
Yeah, I'll believe it when I see it.

Until then, Petraeus is Obama's b!tch.

2 posted on 11/12/2012 10:41:44 AM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: the_Watchman

Oh no, he wouldn’t do thaaaaaaat. /s


3 posted on 11/12/2012 10:51:05 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper (Unbelievable / Believable!)
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To: the_Watchman

So they’ll prosecute Petreaus for adultery and don’t do jack vs “workplace violence’ with the Ft hood murderer? Don’t be bamboozled, what is thios headline covering up besides time consuming and tangents on the real issue,” Benghazi stand down, lies”...it was the video”. And on and ion.


4 posted on 11/12/2012 10:58:31 AM PST by Karliner ( Jeremiah 29:11, Romans 8:28, Romans 8:38"...this is the end of the beginning."WC)
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To: the_Watchman

Petraeus fails to appear then Congress subpena’s him.


5 posted on 11/12/2012 10:58:46 AM PST by Red Steel
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To: the_Watchman
I would recommend a commission be organized, let's call it the Phallus group. It would include Newt Gingrich,Barney Frank,Eliot Spitzer, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Gary Hart, John Edwards with Bill Clinton as chairman
6 posted on 11/12/2012 10:59:55 AM PST by Cyman
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To: the_Watchman

Are they saying you can prosecute a retired military person under the UCMJ?


7 posted on 11/12/2012 11:08:12 AM PST by EEGator
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To: the_Watchman

So we would prosecute a general but the President of the United States not only gets a pass on it but is hailed as a rock star? I want off this effing ride.


8 posted on 11/12/2012 11:10:53 AM PST by ShadowDancer ("Don't expect to build up the weak by pulling down the strong.")
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To: the_Watchman

They missed CIC Clinton?


9 posted on 11/12/2012 11:14:07 AM PST by Leep (Are you smarter than a 7th grade math student and or Barack 0bama?)
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To: EEGator

Good point. He is no longer in the military. How can he be held to military law? I’m assuming they aren’t going after him for Crimes Against Humanity.


10 posted on 11/12/2012 11:14:39 AM PST by ShadowDancer ("Don't expect to build up the weak by pulling down the strong.")
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To: ShadowDancer

I thought one had to be active for the UCMJ to apply...I’m confused.


11 posted on 11/12/2012 11:21:14 AM PST by EEGator
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To: EEGator

That was my assumption also.


12 posted on 11/12/2012 11:31:02 AM PST by ShadowDancer ("Don't expect to build up the weak by pulling down the strong.")
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To: the_Watchman

It could be a game of chicken between Petraeus and Soetoro, each one has something on the other (Benghazi vs. UCMJ) neither wants pursued.


13 posted on 11/12/2012 11:32:23 AM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: the_Watchman

How about prosecuting the sodomites that have a free pass in our military....


14 posted on 11/12/2012 11:33:48 AM PST by TaraP (On Christ the Solid rock I stand, all other ground is sinking sand.)
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To: the_Watchman

15 posted on 11/12/2012 11:36:02 AM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: ShadowDancer; EEGator

They bring him back to active duty and court martial. I don’t see it happening but it can happen.


16 posted on 11/12/2012 11:36:34 AM PST by Red Steel
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To: TaraP

I forget the Article number, but sodomy is a crime according to the UCMJ.


17 posted on 11/12/2012 11:37:15 AM PST by EEGator
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To: Red Steel

How can you bring a retired person back to active duty? Has this been done before?


18 posted on 11/12/2012 11:38:40 AM PST by EEGator
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To: EEGator

Look up flag officer Seldon Hooper.


19 posted on 11/12/2012 11:42:22 AM PST by Red Steel
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To: the_Watchman
could possibly face military prosecution for adultery

And I have a bridge to sell anyone who thinks this is even a remote possibility.

20 posted on 11/12/2012 11:42:52 AM PST by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: EEGator

Defense bill repeals military law on sodomy...

WASHINGTON (AP) – Recently passed Senate legislation would make sodomy and sex with animals legal under military law, ending long-standing prohibitions and triggering cries of perversion from conservative groups.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/washington/story/2011-12-08/us-defense-bill-sodomy/51753518/1


21 posted on 11/12/2012 11:43:03 AM PST by TaraP (On Christ the Solid rock I stand, all other ground is sinking sand.)
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To: Izzy Dunne; the_Watchman

The photos displayed seems to portrait some cosiness when he was in uniform. The subject is a sticking point not only for a military prosecution but also for perjury???


22 posted on 11/12/2012 11:47:56 AM PST by danamco (-)
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To: TaraP

Thanks for the link.

Sex with animals?!?


23 posted on 11/12/2012 11:53:58 AM PST by EEGator
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To: EEGator
Certainly gives new meaning to "foxholes"
24 posted on 11/12/2012 11:57:23 AM PST by CounterCounterCulture
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To: EEGator

Yes they can prosecute former military- retired or other separation designations if it is determined that the violations occurred while still on active duty. The military can and has yanked people back in to face prosecution. It is not common and I seriously doubt it would happen here but it is absolutely possible.


25 posted on 11/12/2012 11:57:33 AM PST by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: the_Watchman

If the crime occurred while he was on active duty, he could be subject to recall and UCMJ prosecution. To prove adultery, you need a very high burden of proof (something on par with a notarized sex tape with three witnesses for adultery), and a willing prosecutor. Once that burden is met however, the charges get piled on (conduct unbecoming of a commissioned officer, failure to obey an order not to get it on while deployed, poor command climate, etc...)

By this point, Patraeus has certainly gotten the council of legal experts, and having his depth and breadth of experience in the legally careful world of the general officer corps, he’s not going to do anything accidentally to make the case against him any stronger.


26 posted on 11/12/2012 11:59:01 AM PST by jz638
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To: Cyman

Oh jeese, you missed the dumbest guy on Earth, The Governor from South Carolina Mark Sanford and of course Senator Larry Craig....we could go on forever naming names.


27 posted on 11/12/2012 12:00:36 PM PST by napscoordinator (GOP Candidate 2020 - "Bloomberg 2020 - We vote for whatever crap the GOP puts in front of us.")
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To: CounterCounterCulture

Haha, very good!


28 posted on 11/12/2012 12:01:18 PM PST by EEGator
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To: Izzy Dunne

No offense, but I think you’re wrong.

I believe that the specificity of Petraeus’ resignation statement last week was a declaration of independence from the blackmail the O thugs were using to keep him in line.

He could have easily resigned “for personal reasons” or “to spend more time with his family” or some other generic reason. Why admit to adultery, thus exposing his wife and children to ridicule, unless he’s specifically removing the blackmail ammo they were using to keep him quiet?


29 posted on 11/12/2012 12:01:52 PM PST by Jedidah
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To: EEGator

http://www.stripes.com/news/panel-urges-ending-ucmj-s-sodomy-ban-1.95937

Well it USED to be Article 125. They did away with it. I can’t imagine how many times it was used anyway. Basically having sodomy with your wife could land you in jail...


30 posted on 11/12/2012 12:03:18 PM PST by napscoordinator (GOP Candidate 2020 - "Bloomberg 2020 - We vote for whatever crap the GOP puts in front of us.")
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To: Tammy8

I assume it would usually be for serious violations, like theft or security issues.


31 posted on 11/12/2012 12:04:14 PM PST by EEGator
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To: EEGator

Never trust an officer who stays on active duty to work for a liberal president. NEVER. Patriotism has nothing to do with it. It’s an ego trip. Any one with a sense of decency will be no part of a presidential administration that is hostile to the military and wants to cut the force. Never forget the worthless Robert Gates, who was Bush’s second Sec of Defense.
Flags should have went up with this character when he decided to stay on as Obama’s Sec of Defense. He showed his true liberal colors when he was the main driving force in allowing sodomites in the US military. He advocated for lifting DADT. Bush was a RINO, who appointed as many liberals as he did conservatives. The absolute worst being the worthless John Roberts, with a close second Robert Gates.


32 posted on 11/12/2012 12:04:52 PM PST by NKP_Vet
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To: Jedidah

Why admit to adultery, thus exposing his wife and children to ridicule,

Ridicule? I think they are looked upon with pity. I bet the wife stays with him.


33 posted on 11/12/2012 12:04:54 PM PST by napscoordinator (GOP Candidate 2020 - "Bloomberg 2020 - We vote for whatever crap the GOP puts in front of us.")
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To: napscoordinator

True, no oral...that’s some BS!


34 posted on 11/12/2012 12:09:44 PM PST by EEGator
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To: NKP_Vet

I was only an E-4, but I’m so glad I got out. Homos, Muslim sensitivity training, and assorted other BS. It seems all Generals are highly political nowadays.


35 posted on 11/12/2012 12:14:12 PM PST by EEGator
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To: the_Watchman
So basically the Chicago mafia(obama/hillary administration)had the goods on Petraus and gave him an offer he couldn't refuse(or he would lose his pension/benefits)by "offering him" instead an honorable discharge(securing pension/benefits) AND the CIA position....

...but only in exchange for his silence/cooperation on...what?

(whats that? sure smells like blackmail to me)

36 posted on 11/12/2012 12:18:06 PM PST by RckyRaCoCo (I prefer liberty with danger to peace with slavery, IXNAY THE TSA!)
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To: Red Steel
I don’t see it happening but it can happen.

The "affair" didn't happen until after he was retired.

37 posted on 11/12/2012 12:22:22 PM PST by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: napscoordinator

I probably should have said “embarrassment.”

The point remains. By admitting adultery, he removed the leverage others may have been holding over him.

Unless, of course, there’s more we don’t yet know.


38 posted on 11/12/2012 12:30:48 PM PST by Jedidah
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Perhaps Petraus won't be forthcoming to Congress with a threat of prosecution over his head.

I seriously doubt that. He may have been an adulterer but he has served his country with honor and will likely continue to comply with every request made of him by the U.S. and Congress.......

As for Martha's statement: "possibly face military prosecution for adultery "

More mud slinging against the proverbial wall in order perpetuate and continue the controversy....

39 posted on 11/12/2012 12:33:00 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon.....)
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To: the_Watchman

The chances of the military charging Petraeus with adultery after he has left service are worse than slim to none. Even in the case of adultery while still in service, it is extremely difficult to prove absent pictures or personal confession.

IIRC, Petraeus has put no timeline on his alleged adultery. Additionally, it is also impossible, if he recanted his confession, to prove beyond his own word. He didn’t confess under oath, and he could always say there were politically expedient, personal, psychological, etc., reasons that he said what he said and then recant his confession.

The military is not going to charge him. He did this purely to help Obama with the Benghazi case.

For the FBI to say they found out about “adultery” would require them to prove penetration. I’m betting they can’t do that, and that the military wouldn’t pursue such a thing without rock solid proof.


40 posted on 11/12/2012 12:38:45 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Jedidah

Good point.


41 posted on 11/12/2012 12:55:11 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: the_Watchman

Why would Obama put Petraeus in charge of the CIA? I haven’t looked it up, but I don’t believe Petraeus was a Military Intelligence Officer. Why put him in charge of the CIA? Panetta was a political appointment. Why does Obama put people he can control in charge of the CIA? That’s the government agency tasked to look at what’s going on overseas. Look at the blog chicagopaytoplay.com. There’s a three part story there on The Chicago Connection. Look at Aaron Klein’s reporting at WND. Look up the phrase RESPONSIBILITY TO PROTECT. Look up the International Crisis Group(ICG). Look at who is on the ICG Board.....George Soros. The dirty little secret Obama is really trying to cover up is that him and his buddies are starting wars in the Middle East to make money off them.


42 posted on 11/12/2012 1:04:52 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: EEGator

It’s different for commissioned officers. Unless he resigned his commission and turned in his flag he’s still inactive reserve at the least. Once an officer-—always an officer and the UCMJ applies in limited ways. In this case the chick is still a reserve officer also-—double jeopardy so to speak. But they are talking about things that may have happened while he was still active——and there is no statute of limitations. If he broke a rule under UCMJ but it wasn’t discovered while he was active he doesn’t get a free pass by retiring. The boy seems to be in trouble especially since he’s got a big-mouthed ex girl friend.-——————————————SEMPER FI


43 posted on 11/12/2012 1:18:26 PM PST by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: EEGator

Back to active duty? Happens all the time. My Dad got nailed for Korea along with a whole lot of other guys who thot they were done———————And BTW, Gen Davy can easily lose one of his stars in retirement if any of this girly stuff is accurate.


44 posted on 11/12/2012 1:23:15 PM PST by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: cherokee1

Patraeus was diagnosed with Prostate Cancer in 2009. He must be rid of the cancer!


45 posted on 11/12/2012 1:24:00 PM PST by FreedBird
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To: cherokee1

Thank you for the explanation.


46 posted on 11/12/2012 1:26:22 PM PST by EEGator
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To: the_Watchman

According to several sites - today - the FBI found that there was NOTHING illegal that happened and nobody knows why the story even was reported. It was over and it happened while he was at CIA not before...according to these same sites - New Yorker for one.


47 posted on 11/12/2012 1:37:01 PM PST by q_an_a (the more laws the less justice)
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To: Red Steel

Get out~they can do that?


48 posted on 11/12/2012 1:43:20 PM PST by ShadowDancer ("Don't expect to build up the weak by pulling down the strong.")
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To: q_an_a

I still think the broad was all part of a Dem set up to make sure Petraeus toed the line.


49 posted on 11/12/2012 1:52:49 PM PST by Segovia
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To: ShadowDancer
With Obama doing his 'revenge' thang...possibly. See U.S. V. Hooper
50 posted on 11/12/2012 1:59:55 PM PST by Red Steel
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