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"We're Better Than That" - Nice Guys Don't Finish Nice.
11/8/12 | dagogo redux

Posted on 11/08/2012 3:41:13 PM PST by dagogo redux

It has been brought up by me and many others, both recently and over time, that American conservatives may simply be too meek and nice to prevail against a determined, vicious, devious and underhanded enemy like the Marxist Left.

I don't know that a dedicated thread to discuss this has yet been opened since the election, so I thought I would do so.

I've never been large or overly strong, nor inherently unfriendly, but I grew up as a scrappy little kid, and people still occasionally say that I merely need to walk into a room for people to know not to mess with me. They are right to know that. And yet, I don't think the Left thinks that about our side in general. They sense are weak and timid, and they are closing in for the kill.

It is my impression that our side in the current conflict for our country's future is far too heavily populated by people who either won't or can't fight a sociopathic enemy with the sorts of tactics and attitudes sufficiently dirty and forceful to win. And because of this, we are ripe to be conquered.

We allow ourselves to be victims. We are easily cowed and overly worried about the Left's efforts to paint us as mean-spirited or as hypocrites for fighting for our values, our country, and our survival.

We question ourselves. We back off. We apologize. We forgive. We stick our heads in the sand in the face of an evil that demands decisive action.

If we do win a small tactical victory, we avoid the coup de grace at all costs. We avoid the symbolic jugular, the trachea, the groin, the eyes. Our own eyes are clouded by an unshakable belief in the ultimate goodness of our opponent, who must only be defended against for the moment, but never put down permanently in total defeat.

We naively believe in the essential goodness of our Marxist enemies, ignoring history, ignoring that they are our enemies, that their hearts are eternally filled with hatred and an evil intent to destroy us by any means necessary. We want desparately to believe that deep down they are good and decent people just like us, and our moral compass is accordingly set on self-righteous, pacifistic, wishful-thinking. It should instead be set on fundamental survival instincts.

They will bury us - they have said so. They know our weaknesses, and they are exploiting them. And we are letting them, because "we are better than that." I'm not better than that. I'm not afraid to "stoop to their level," to become "just like them" to win. It's not a gentleman's game to discuss later at the club house over cocktails. It's a fight for survival, for the survival of ourselves and our loved ones and our country and all that we hold dear. I hope enough of us understand that.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: loosers; othercheekers; softies; vanity

1 posted on 11/08/2012 3:41:19 PM PST by dagogo redux
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To: dagogo redux

Republicans should not be vicious but clever .
As say the gospel , “be candid like the dove and clever like a snake )


2 posted on 11/08/2012 3:48:31 PM PST by Ulysse
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To: dagogo redux
You describe me actually (not really proud though).

You are a shrink, so you can dig deeper!

At my age, I am tired of this, and from my Biblical learning, I know why this is happening and where it is going.

So, not much (some, yes) we personally can do really!

3 posted on 11/08/2012 3:49:22 PM PST by elpinta (Jer. 10:23 - It really holds true!)
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To: dagogo redux

So what do you have in mind?

There isn’t going to be very much left of the old Republic in four years. You see any legal way to stop them? I’m all ears.


4 posted on 11/08/2012 3:49:41 PM PST by absalom01 (You should do your duty in all things. You cannot do more, and you should never wish to do less.)
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To: absalom01

Legal ways to stop this election include challenges to the election results by judges at the state level and a challenge of the eligibility of a nominee when the electoral college votes are read in Congress in January 2013.

Nothing is final. Know your history, as it may be 1876 all over again.


5 posted on 11/08/2012 3:52:40 PM PST by research99
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To: dagogo redux

ive been saying this for years....very well put dagogo..i quoted you on facebook...first time EVER...


6 posted on 11/08/2012 3:54:19 PM PST by bagster
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To: dagogo redux

Want to know more about Obama and his Marxist left? Read “The Manchurian President” by Aaron Klein. It will amaze and scare you at the same time. BTW it will also prove to the many skeptics that “O” is no dummy. He knows where he is going and how he wants to get there. He also has the forces to get him there. Quidado!


7 posted on 11/08/2012 4:00:46 PM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: dagogo redux

We are facing godless commie bastards who will give us no quarter as soon as they see an opportunity to finish us off. We need streetfighters, not CEO’s, to fight this enemy. As Breitbart said:

“You’re going to call us racists? You’re going to call us potential Timothy McVeighs? F**k you. War.”


8 posted on 11/08/2012 4:10:30 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: research99

Good luck with all that.


9 posted on 11/08/2012 4:10:43 PM PST by absalom01 (You should do your duty in all things. You cannot do more, and you should never wish to do less.)
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To: elpinta

I agree with you. God Himself has laid out His Own hand in the affairs of man in Sacred Scripture, and we have in place exactly whom this once Christian nation deserves to govern us, and again it shall rain on the good and the evil alike.

We must pick up our work with the good Father of us all and pray for enough peace to worship Him as we must and even contemplate martyrdom.

We actually do know how this ends if we are ready, prepared and devoted.
I am inclined to accept God’s will in this painful national tragedy, and to recognize His clear message and prepare to leave the political manipulations of the media and Washington shell games, and put that energy and labor where it belonged all along, in trusting our dear Lord, placing no more hope in a man, a candidate, a poseur invested in secular advancement, power and money.

May God be with us, and deliver us from evil.


10 posted on 11/08/2012 4:13:55 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: dagogo redux

It’s like HW Bush during the first gulf war. Could’ve wiped out Saddam but they backed off. Shiites were killed, held resentment against the US and the 2nd time was much harder.


11 posted on 11/08/2012 4:15:51 PM PST by ari-freedom (Election Day should be after Thanksgiving, not right after Halloween)
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To: absalom01

“There isn’t going to be very much left of the old Republic in four years. You see any legal way to stop them? I’m all ears.”

I don’t even see non-legal ways of stopping them. Give me a break on the civil war machos. A few scattered shotguns isn’t an army.


12 posted on 11/08/2012 4:19:18 PM PST by ari-freedom (Election Day should be after Thanksgiving, not right after Halloween)
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To: dagogo redux

shrinks are evil. If you are one, you should get a real job


13 posted on 11/08/2012 4:22:24 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: RitaOK

Yes, spread the Word, John 17:3 for one.

We will be OK if we stick to what is Truth!


14 posted on 11/08/2012 4:23:29 PM PST by elpinta (Jer. 10:23 - It really holds true!)
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To: dagogo redux

Stooping to their level is not necessary. But what is necessary is to stop caring what they think.

Enough of worrying what the treasonous press says about us. Let’s learn to make our case to our friends, acquaintances, and co-workers.

Enough of showing respect and deference to those who’re ignorant, stupid, and flat wrong. Let’s show some disrespect for the cowards and renegades, and respect for the courageous among us, and thereby draw a line of distinction for those who’re young and watching us.

Enough of coddling the cowardly males who find it easier to be effeminate than masculine. I’m speaking here particularly to women, who seem more prone to embrace faggotry and in so doing spit in the face of men.

And enough, men, of tolerating and thereby encouraging adolescent behavior among one another. As Thucydides said, “Self-control is the chief element in self-respect.” We’re the heads of our households; the buck stops with us. We must do what we think has to be done, even if it means we take flak from our families.

In short, we must begin to lead, starting right where we are. Some will join with us, and we’ll be glad to have them. Others will reject us and receive our scorn and contempt.


15 posted on 11/08/2012 4:48:29 PM PST by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: dagogo redux

“We avoid the symbolic jugular, the trachea, the groin, the eyes.”

We need to tell them we’re going to eat their brains, mean it, and then DO it.

(Been reading some hard-core military sci-fi)


16 posted on 11/08/2012 4:50:17 PM PST by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: yldstrk

Your opinion’s not worth 5 cents. Pound sand.


17 posted on 11/08/2012 5:19:32 PM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: absalom01

“So what do you have in mind?”

If you’re asking for specifics, it would be unwise to give any out even if I had them.

But mostly what I’m talking about is a certain constant attitude, such that when a situation presents itself the proper response will come to mind naturally.

This is the attitude that is so sorely lacking in our Republican leadership now. Think Boehner, McConnell, Graham, Romney.

It’s the attitude I found so admirably displayed by that guy (help me out, someone, with the link or the quote, please) who, when a liberal reporter got frustrated that he wouldn’t bother laying out his argument for the Second Amendment, and challenged him to sum it up in one sentence, dismissively, matter-of-factly told the reporter: “If you try to take our guns, we will kill you.”

It’s about the attitude. The street thug, instinctively, will only victimize someone who doesn’t have that attitude. I’m not talking about a flashy or puffed up sort of martial arts bravura. The thug’s not interested in (or particularly afraid of) fighting or martial arts - only in taking his victim out, and doing it with the least danger to himself. Someone that he senses would do it to him without hesitation is what he wants to avoid. He will generally back off and seek an easier target. The Marxist thugs see most of us as easy targets, and we are, and they’re not backing off.


18 posted on 11/08/2012 5:48:48 PM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: LearsFool

Well-said, and thank you.


19 posted on 11/08/2012 5:50:56 PM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: dagogo redux

I tend to agree with you emotionally, but remember, we are not like them. We are fundamentally different from them. We believe in self reliance and freedom. They believe in welfare and enslavement. They can behave like criminals because they believe that the ends, the enslavement of the people, is justified by any means necessary. Bribery, lies, dirty tricks, even force. They do this because once people are enslaved, those are the very skills necessary for keeping them enslaved.

We can’t act like them because you can’t force, or bribe people to be free. You can only convince them that it is a superior way of life.

PS People expect Democrats to lie and cheat because they are at heart criminals who want to enslave others. They don’t expect it from the champions of freedom. If we act like Democrats how can we claim to be any better than them.


20 posted on 11/08/2012 5:51:07 PM PST by monday
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To: dagogo redux

I tend to agree with you emotionally, but remember, we are not like them. We are fundamentally different from them. We believe in self reliance and freedom. They believe in welfare and enslavement. They can behave like criminals because they believe that the ends, the enslavement of the people, is justified by any means necessary. Bribery, lies, dirty tricks, even force. They do this because once people are enslaved, those are the very skills necessary for keeping them enslaved.

We can’t act like them because you can’t force, or bribe people to be free. You can only convince them that it is a superior way of life.

PS People expect Democrats to lie and cheat because they are at heart criminals who want to enslave others. They don’t expect it from the champions of freedom. If we act like Democrats how can we claim to be any better than them.


21 posted on 11/08/2012 5:52:49 PM PST by monday
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To: dagogo redux

Yes....we need to be more like Jesus. Like Jesus when he got mad and threw the money changers out of the temple! Jesus wasn’t some happy Buddha sitting around smiling at all our crazy antics. Would happy Buddha threaten to put a millstone around someone’s neck and throw them into the lake for messing up kids? Jesus knew how to get mad. “Christian” means “Little Christ”. It’s OK for Christians to get mad over a good cause.


22 posted on 11/08/2012 6:38:03 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: dagogo redux

My Dad told me, “When I was young, I fought like a Boy Scout and I got beat up constantly. One day, I decided to quit fighting like a Boy Scout and get the first lick in. I started to win my fights and the bullies left me alone.”


23 posted on 11/08/2012 6:40:54 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: dagogo redux

“Oh, those wacky Democrats. It’s just government and doesn’t affect me much.”

Tell that to the people who died on 9/11. Our enemies want to kill big bunches of us. The Obama administration was perfectly fine with letting 30 plus Americans die in Benghazi to protect their re-election. Just how many Americans would they let die to protect their political hides? 500? 10 million? How many would a nuclear weapon kill in LA? When you see that bright flash, it will be too late to vote Republican.


24 posted on 11/08/2012 6:47:09 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: dagogo redux

The GOP needs to be cunning like a wolf and as loving as a dove, instead, they are as loving as a dove and as cunning as a cow!


25 posted on 11/08/2012 6:48:45 PM PST by IslamE (epiphany)
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To: dagogo redux

After reading this post and the replies, I recalled an epiphany from earlier in the day.

Something occurred to me about which I am getting more and more frustrated: Nobody is quantifying the enemy here. They demonize the labels, they point to ‘government’, but everyone forgets who the enemy are: Your neighbor, your ‘friends’, your co-workers, your relatives, perhaps even the spouse.

I chewed the heck out of the wife the other night for suggesting Romney should NEVER be elected while dismissing what another 4 years of this crap means to us and the country.

The opposition has organized; it’s called ‘community organizing’. They’ve hijacked non-profits to promote their views to mass audiences, particularly those easily affected by propaganda and enlisted those to perform the same. THAT will take either an economic calamity or a generation to change. The repetetive propaganda has even influenced libertarians I know to vote for a$$hats for the first time.

What can change in less than 4 years is each of us taking charge of ‘our own house’. Don’t be meek: Take it to the max EVERY TIME someone states that ‘we just have to get along’ crap or, worse, rubs the election results in your face. We will never overcome the ‘me-me-me’ crowd; we CAN influence those that vote around us.

Worst case, we might have to rewrite the book on ‘influencing’ those around us; that may include a long, long list of dirty tricks.

After all, while it hasn’t come to bu-—ts (yet), it really is the only approach no one is talking about and the only step preceding raw violence, isn’t it??

I put it to the wife this way: You lie in the bed you make; let’s lay it on them. I DID let the wife have it; I WILL let the libertarian that voted for our resident 14-termer have it. Go to a dinner party and make a scene; pick a fight. Confront your neighbor.

Lacking any effective leadership on the matter, it’s up to each of us.


26 posted on 11/08/2012 8:18:38 PM PST by logi_cal869
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