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No Regrets, No Apologies
PJ Media ^ | November 7, 2012 | Sarah Hoyt

Posted on 11/07/2012 11:02:16 AM PST by EveningStar

Stop the circular firing squad. I’m here to tell you it is not only crazy, it is counterproductive.

No, Mitt was not the man we wanted. Yes, he was shoved on us by the establishment. But he was the best candidate we could have this year, and he campaigned well. He campaigned like he wanted it. Unlike McCain, he deserves our thanks, and a place as speaker at future conventions.

Why did we lose then?

Let’s start with the media...

And all of my libertarian friends who think the problem is that Romney didn’t say he was okay with contraception and abortion — since when was contraception and abortion part of the campaign? The Republicans campaigned on the economy. Contraception and abortion were the media’s theme, introduced in the Republican primary. It was never in doubt that it wouldn’t be outlawed — a president can’t do that.

And yet even our side thinks that’s what it was about, and tears into each other over it...

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TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: election2012

1 posted on 11/07/2012 11:02:21 AM PST by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar

I don’t think any of this can be laid at Romney feet. The most damaging blows were dealt by the likes of Akin, Muourdock, et Al. The GOP enabled the war on women meme. The Democrats just plowed the fertile field they were given.

When a candidate that is so vulnerable does this well the blame rests on us.


2 posted on 11/07/2012 11:09:35 AM PST by Melas (u)
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To: EveningStar
Pretty much the same conclusion that I came to; The Media.

We are fighting an opponent that is 24/7 lies, untruths and distortions.

We played honestly and fairly, but gullible people will always do gullible things.

3 posted on 11/07/2012 11:12:42 AM PST by BornToBeAmerican (Things aren't as good as they should be and its Obama's fault, the resident said)
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To: Melas
I agree with you. We lost to a man who is the worst President in my life time.

But, what the media makes, the media also destroys. In the second term, maybe they might just begin to ask the questions they should have asked 4 years ago.

4 posted on 11/07/2012 11:13:28 AM PST by Volunteer (Though I know that the hypnotized never lie, do ya? - The Who)
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To: EveningStar

Tried to post a vanity -— my second in 15 years -— and it didn’t go thrugh, did something wrong, so I’ll just state it here.

The Democrats could have run Donald Duck (cartoon character) or Charlie Chaplin (dead actor)and they would have won.

Television is so powerful, so unprecedented in human history, that it can make people think whatever it, or they, want the population to think.

Never before in human history have we had anything like television. People sit 40 hours a week, still and inactive, and stare at it. They will believe anything. That Bush caused Katrina, that Obama cares, and so on. Totally unprecedented.


5 posted on 11/07/2012 11:14:24 AM PST by squarebarb ( Fairy tales are basically true.)
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To: Melas; EveningStar

I agree with both of you. Romney campaigned as well as he could have. I don’t fault him.

The deck was stacked against him, the media were 100% partisan for 0bama, and most damning, 50 years of public indoctrination left us with a permanent majority of an ignorant and greedy electorate who will not vote against their Santa Claus.

I think Romney played the best strategy possible, knowing that everything he did was going to be twisted against him by the media. He had to go directly to the American people and get around the media filter, which he did admirably in the debates. And he damn near pulled it off.

We could have nominated Gingrich, Santorum, Reagan, George Washington or Jeffrey Dahmer. It didn’t matter. The outcome would have been the same.


6 posted on 11/07/2012 11:16:53 AM PST by henkster (If you let them do it to you, you got yourself to blame.)
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To: BornToBeAmerican; Mel A

Yeah, agree with both. The media has a sacrosanct position in American life under freedom of the press, but it is NOT the anti-government “check” that the Founders intended. I do not favor regulation or censorship, but I do favor loosening the libel and slander laws to include posting/broadcasting falsehoods masquerading as “news.” Let other citizens take these @$$holes down.


7 posted on 11/07/2012 11:17:48 AM PST by LS ('Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually.' Hendrix)
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To: EveningStar

The Unites States has become like the Republic of South Africa except the majority whites are ruled by the minority blacks. We are a third world country now. I expect a complete financial/government collapse by the end of next year. Be prepared my friends. The end of the USA is coming.


8 posted on 11/07/2012 11:18:12 AM PST by Flavious_Maximus
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To: Melas
When I started my campaign against Preibus in Febuary 2011, none of these people were candidates, but I could feel the whif of loser blowing from his numerous orifaces ~ and knew we would lose everything right when we had the Democrats where we wanted.

Well, it came to pass that Preibus engineered one of the Republican party's epic fails.

We fired his predecessor for winning ~ what do we do to losers?

9 posted on 11/07/2012 11:19:07 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: LS

The media has most definitely NOT acted as an anti-goevernment check. It has become an arm of big government, and the de facto propaganda arm of the party of big government.

There will be a government bailout of the media during the next four years. Nobody outside this forum will see inherent Constitutional conflict of interest. No one will care, because the Constitution is a dead letter.


10 posted on 11/07/2012 11:22:58 AM PST by henkster (If you let them do it to you, you got yourself to blame.)
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To: EveningStar

We need to understand why the Republican turn out was apparently less this year than in 2008. A comment in the original article attributes it to the dying off of the Greatest Generation.


11 posted on 11/07/2012 11:23:14 AM PST by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: EveningStar
I did not read the entire article but from the short 1st paragraph I can only say one thing. BULL SHIT!!!!

Your right that he was not the true conservative candidate that most of us here at FR wanted but he was a lot better than McCain and Obama. With the ‘super’ conservatives staying away from the election and giving us this idiot I can only say one thing. GO F*CK YOURSELF CAUSE YOU SURE DID THAT TO THE REST OF US!!!!

Believe it or not their are other people in the Republican party that have different views on things. I know that I am right (and correct) but other may feel differently about issue than I do. I am sure not going to aid and abet this kind of travesty because I did not get my way. The reason that the Dems keep winning is just because of this reason. They know that their various groups do not agree with each other on issues but the only way that they get representation at all is too stick together 1st as a voting block. At the same time our dumb ass ‘real’ conservatives stay home and give it to the opposition because they cannot get purity in a candidate.

Yes we are fighting the media and yes we do not have any grass roots initiative nor any kind of organization nor any kind of educational initiative or anything else other than honesty and common sense. Unfortunately these do not sell well with the sound bite mentality of the US electorate.

So to all you ‘real’ conservatives that want to show the establishment Republicans how important your vote I truly hope that you are happy with your selection. Yes! I do blame you for your asinine mentality and logic.

12 posted on 11/07/2012 11:23:40 AM PST by dirtymac
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To: EveningStar

[ Why did we lose then? ]

1) Well running the inventor of ROMNEY-CARE against the inventor of OBAMA_CARE just might be the problem..

2) Republican doing nothing about voter fraud FOR 30 YEARS may be a problem..

3) Allowing academia to brain wash several generations of republican children into socialists may be another vector of error..

4) there are other problems as well.. but just being a republican seems to be the major one..

** the republican party seems to one of the commies useful idiots.. selling themselves vibrators to masturbate themselves with.. MYTH Romney?.. LoL.. really..


13 posted on 11/07/2012 11:23:54 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: EveningStar

Why did we lose then?

1) Christians who did not vote.
2) Christians who voted against their faith.

God’s command in 2 Chronicles 7:14 holds both a promise and a consequence. If America fails it will be because of Christians.

2 CHRONICLES 7:14
If My people who are called by My name will humble themselves and pray and seek My face and change their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive them and heal their land.


14 posted on 11/07/2012 11:24:10 AM PST by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord!)
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To: EveningStar; All

The last two to blame are Romney and Ryan. They ran as best a campaign as possible.

First...Reince Priebus needs to turn in his resignation, this morning. As head of the RNC, he managed to not only lose the Presidential election AND lose -1 senate seats when the Dems had 22 running for re-election...he got punked by the Brillo-Head Debbie Wasserman-Schulz. That is not leadership...that is weakness

Second...its time to stop giving the Tea Party a pass. They brought us Mourdock and sandbagged Akin (remember they were upset when their insider Sarah Steelman finished third in the primary). Oh, and Sarah Palin trying to run a Third Party candidate to sandbag Akin...all over a comment he repeatedly apologized for.

I am sorry...it is time for the Real Conservatives and Social Conservatives to re-assume the Conservative leadership of the GOP....you cannot build a base based on the rantings of a moderate business wonk on a liberal NBC-owned business channel....nor build a conservative base that cowers to the Liberal Media every time a GOP candidate offends someone

And, the absolute stupidity of trying to push Marco Rubio as some Conservative wunderkind....why do you think CNN and MSNBC keep pushing him to run for higher office?

Its time to stop pushing Liberal-Lite as an alternative to the DNC. Only a Real, Social Conservative that energizes the base can beat a DNC liberal


15 posted on 11/07/2012 11:25:28 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (Political maturity is realizing that the "R" next to someone's name does not mean "conservative")
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To: muawiyah

When I started my campaign against Preibus in Febuary 2011, none of these people were candidates, but I could feel the whif of loser blowing from his numerous orifaces ~ and knew we would lose everything right when we had the Democrats where we wanted.

Well, it came to pass that Preibus engineered one of the Republican party’s epic fails.

We fired his predecessor for winning ~ what do we do to losers?


Set him on fire?

You deserve a lot of credit for figuring out Renice Denice before a lot of us did. An absolute disaster considering his counter part at the DNC was Brillo-Head


16 posted on 11/07/2012 11:28:43 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (Political maturity is realizing that the "R" next to someone's name does not mean "conservative")
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To: BornToBeAmerican
Pretty much the same conclusion that I came to; The Media.

When the next "the MSM is dying" post shows up, you can safely ignore it, because now everyone has seen that the MSM may be withering in the narrowest "dead tree" and sense, but they have simply placed their propaganda assets elsewhere on the battlefield. Obama had - and has -essentially been given a permanent protective no-fly zone courtesy the media.

Alternative media? Great... but that is mostly preaching to the choir which will not be seen by the takers. Go to your typical ISP or e-mail home page and you still get all the oppo agitprop you can handle (and then some), and the ads for the left permeate many otherwise conservative sites.

Mr. niteowl77

17 posted on 11/07/2012 11:30:35 AM PST by niteowl77 (Getting stuck with other peoples' just desserts good and hard for over 50 years.)
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To: EveningStar

Even though Mitt Romney wasn’t my first choice, in fact he was my last, I don’t blame him for this loss. In fact I came to like him as the nominee of the Republican party.

I’m not sure where the blame lies, but I don’t blame Mitt at all.


18 posted on 11/07/2012 11:32:12 AM PST by Randy Larsen (Aim small, Miss small.)
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To: Randy Larsen

I blame the shallow and short-sighted people who voted for Big Bird, abortion, and free stuff over their liberty and self-determination. Just like we blame the criminal for the crime, we have to realize that the nation was mugged last night.


19 posted on 11/07/2012 11:35:29 AM PST by SlowBoat407 (Anyone can fib. It takes an intellectual to tell a really big lie.)
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To: EveningStar

I have a short memory. Who was “the man WE wanted” exactly? And if WE wanted him, why didn’t WE get him exactly? When the primaries started, I only wanted Rick Perry. When he dropped out, I only wanted Mitt Romney.
I got the man I wanted. I’m proud of him. Who did you guys want?

We could have run Barack Obama and we would have lost.


20 posted on 11/07/2012 11:36:44 AM PST by FryingPan101 (2016 looms)
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To: EveningStar
He campaigned like he wanted it. Unlike McCain, he deserves our thanks,...

I agree! In my mind, if Christie hadn't kissed Bowbama's arse so hard after Sandy...uh, never mind!

Thanks, Mitt!

21 posted on 11/07/2012 11:36:53 AM PST by Bushbacker1 (I miss President Bush! 2012 - The End Of An Error! (Oathkeeper))
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To: Volunteer
Maybe when the brain dead lemmings who believe the Media's worst about Conservatives are IN FACT actually challenged by REAL fascists (like ‘O’s’ Sharia friends) they will recall to themselves what Conservatives in this country have been about all along.
22 posted on 11/07/2012 11:38:57 AM PST by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: EveningStar
And the socons can stop whining, too, that if we’d only had a true conservative … I will tell you right now, I’d have voted for Santorum only because I’d have voted for Satan himself against Obama. I can’t imagine a worse combination than someone who wants to regulate both my private life and my economic life. And I’m a conservative and I am, for the record, pro-life (I am an abortion survivor and wouldn’t be here if it hadn’t been botched. You want to fight over it, libertarians, go right ahead. I’m fairly sure I’m a person even if mom would have preferred I weren’t alive — and had actual good reasons for it having to do with her health.) and very iffy on contraception due to my distrust of all unneeded chemical tampering with the body.

A “true conservative” candidate would not have a snowball’s chance in hell. Reagan, even, wasn’t that. No. I was alive then. Go look it up. He was conservative where it counted, which was fixing our economy and defeating the USSR. That’s it.

I disagree with this.
23 posted on 11/07/2012 11:43:03 AM PST by Bratch
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To: EveningStar

I agree with the PJ’s. Mitt worked really hard. And the media was all against him. They are in full cover up mode for Benghazi and they refuse to report what the folks who were hit by Sandy are STILL dealing with.

We are now dealing with a Democrat state run media. Not even Fox is centrist. They are more Dem than Republican. But the rest are so wacko liberal that Fox looks centrist.

When you have an idiot who is the face of a network (Chris Matthews/MSNBC) say he is glad that Sandy hit last week for political reasons, than you know that network a liberal hate machine.

Everytime I see an article with bad news in the future, I’m posting “It IS Obama’s Fault” under it.

In 2004, places like Free Republic saved the election from false media. It is time to step up and do it again.


24 posted on 11/07/2012 11:43:57 AM PST by ArmyBratproud
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To: Volunteer

>> We lost to a man who is the worst President in my life time.

Not only in your life time, but in anyone’s lifetime.


25 posted on 11/07/2012 11:44:31 AM PST by generally (Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: FryingPan101

I wanted Sarah Palin, then Herman Cain, Then Newt Gingrich, Then Rick Santorum, Then Mitt Romney.

Now I want to get rid of the GOPe, even though it may mean joining a third party made of CONSERVATIVES if one developes.


26 posted on 11/07/2012 11:45:24 AM PST by Randy Larsen (Aim small, Miss small.)
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To: Randy Larsen
Even though Mitt Romney wasn’t my first choice, in fact he was my last, I don’t blame him for this loss. In fact I came to like him as the nominee of the Republican party.

I’m not sure where the blame lies, but I don’t blame Mitt at all.

I had a fit about the GOP nominating the man, but once he was chosen, I backed him because I could not face my maker knowing that I did not do what I could to oppose Barack Obama. Mitt Romney then exceeded my expectations-- he would have been a huge improvement over Obama in most respects, and at least a small improvement in whatever was left over.

Mr. niteowl77

27 posted on 11/07/2012 11:46:19 AM PST by niteowl77 (Getting stuck with other peoples' just desserts good and hard for over 50 years.)
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To: dirtymac

Thanks for saying this.


28 posted on 11/07/2012 11:48:26 AM PST by GreatMan
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To: squarebarb

TV has been around for over 50 years now, and viewership hours are trending DOWN thanks to the internet. So there’s nothing “unprecedented” about it. In the meantime Romney didn’t inspire a lot of the conservative base, and thus couldn’t beat a guy that got 10 million votes less than last time. The way to win an election is first get your base out, and second woo the mushy middle. He didn’t do the former (2 million less votes than McCain) and subsequently any advantage he gained in the later was too little too late.


29 posted on 11/07/2012 11:48:34 AM PST by discostu (Not a part of anyone's well oiled machine.)
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To: EveningStar
So, why did Mitt lose? How? The media.

That is it. Start to finish. And unless we find away to remedy that situation we may be a one-party country from now on.

30 posted on 11/07/2012 11:51:38 AM PST by newheart (The greatest trick the left ever pulled was convincing the world it was not a religion.)
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To: SeminoleCounty

The first one to blame is ALWAYS the candidate. His SOLE job is to earn votes, when he doesn’t he failed. There might be extenuating circumstances, but the job is the job, and the situation isn’t that much different than Bush faced and he won. It was a winnable election, there was no LBJ dragging Kennedy’s corpse around, Romney faced an unpopular president with an unpopular agenda that lost 10 million votes in 4 years, Romney lost. That’s on him. You might argue what he screwed up, but he definitely screwed up.


31 posted on 11/07/2012 11:54:32 AM PST by discostu (Not a part of anyone's well oiled machine.)
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To: Randy Larsen

I think it would be a good idea for social and religious-based conservatives to form their own party. We would have a better idea of what works. Sarah would be an exceptional leader. The Republican Party was never a party involved in many social issues and that’s fine with me. I’ll stay. Fiscal conservatism fits on my plate. I hope it happens.


32 posted on 11/07/2012 11:55:50 AM PST by FryingPan101 (2016 looms)
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To: EveningStar

After years of trying to stand up to my principles and ethics in both business and personal life I have decided to embrace the 47% that truly run the country. I am in my late fifties and have to accept the fact that I need to prepare for my later years and must make my needs paramount.

No more swimming against the fetid, offal filled tide. Time to game the system.


33 posted on 11/07/2012 11:58:07 AM PST by Cyman
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To: EveningStar
Why did we lose then?

Because failure has not only become acceptable, it is now rewarded! .

34 posted on 11/07/2012 12:07:42 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (USA!)
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To: EveningStar

One thing about it. Obama owns it and nolonger has anyone to blame


35 posted on 11/07/2012 12:08:04 PM PST by tiki
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To: BornToBeAmerican

We have too many people who have come to believe that life is “unfair” to them, that they are entitled to a greater share of the nation’s wealth, and it is the job of Government to make sure that they get it.


36 posted on 11/07/2012 12:12:07 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: tiki
One thing about it. Obama owns it and nolonger has anyone to blame

I wouldn't be so sure about that. If the media could allow him to get away with blaming Bush after four years and taking a mulligan, who's to say they could not let him get away with it after 8? Or 12? Or 24?


37 posted on 11/07/2012 12:15:57 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: EveningStar

Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan do deserve our thanks.

Screw McCain. Screw Todd Akin.


38 posted on 11/07/2012 12:20:56 PM PST by Jeff Winston
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To: EveningStar

Ten million fewer people showed up to vote for Obama this time than in ‘08 - he actually got fewer votes than McCain did that year - Romney lost because fewer Republicans showed up to vote this year - because while ‘rats want to win and will vote for almost anyone to do so, ‘pubs are just too delicate to engage in such nasty stuff and there is always a contingent which simply won’t accommodate to gain the greater good of election victory - so here we are and by the time Obama and his crew get done subverting our freedoms and the voting process, we very likely will never again have another chance.....


39 posted on 11/07/2012 12:31:50 PM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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To: dirtymac

True That...Ditto’s...Well Said!

I too lay this at the feet of conservatives, when it comes right down to it, we did this to ourselves, no one is good enough, we seen this all through the primaries, which ever candidate appeared to be gaining ground, they were ridiculed and reduced for any and every reason, till all that was left was Romney, and he was opposed by so many conservatives until very end of the election process, when a few said, maybe I’ll give Romney, a little tiny acknowledgement, their timing was worthless...SHAME.

My observations from Sarah Palin’s selection to last night’s election, is that conservative no nothing about how to unite, we oppose each other as much and sometimes more than we do our democrap opponents.

This must change very quickly, as conservatives we are entirely too divided, divided we fall.


40 posted on 11/07/2012 12:52:35 PM PST by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: EveningStar

“Unlike McCain, he deserves our thanks, and a place as speaker at future conventions.”

I don’t think so. It appears he got fewer votes than Mr. McCain, even while there were 10 million additional votes not going for the Kenyan of which he could have picked up a few.


41 posted on 11/07/2012 12:57:41 PM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: henkster

You must have the same crystal ball as I do.

I am certain what you described will happen.

There will be reasoning and loud calls to “save the core foundation of our country, the vanguards of the 1st ammendment!”

Gag me.


42 posted on 11/07/2012 1:21:30 PM PST by Individual Rights in NJ (Want to join my new country in Greenland? Like the Danes will stop us; pft!)
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To: Melas; EveningStar
I want to believe that the meida was the problem, but Obambi got 10 MILLION few votes and Mitt did not do as well as McLame...geez. What happened to the TEA Party volunteers and the army? The people that turned out for Scott Walker stayed home, the folks that liked Kasich LOVED the pres - go figure AND one report said "40% of Cubans voted for Obama" - huh? The theories will be all over the map for weeks.

Mitt ran the race as a CEO, with no understanding of mycomments/ message above. He never had an elevator speech (30 sec to 1 minute) on any issue that was important to "working class" - the majority of voters. (his message never said, "I helped create companies like Staples they built 90,000 jobs. Domino's has even more workers.)

Mitt and anyone who ever entered politics KNEW that Bill Clinton destroyed Dole IN THE SUMMER, but they let the Bain stories run without push back.

Mitt was the best we could put up because the young guns would have gotten killed and the old guys - newt or Rick had no record anyone who is not a partisan would like. /rant off

43 posted on 11/07/2012 1:46:59 PM PST by q_an_a (the more laws the less justice)
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To: EveningStar

I’ve been saying we need to stop feeding the beast and boycott companies who advertise on the networks. But that won’t help. I doubt very seriously that msnbc gets enough viewers to demand top ad rates but they’re still on. So maybe they can demand top ad rates and get them.

So even if a huge boycott was to take effect, I doubt it would be effective. The corporations would keep paying them. That means we’re screwed.


44 posted on 11/07/2012 2:28:53 PM PST by Terry Mross (Once again I wasted my vote. But I have learned my lesson.)
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To: dirtymac

Yes. I noticed that many “real” conservatives urged Todd Akin to remain in the MO race and claimed if we (and the GOP) didn’t support him it would be our fault that he didn’t win.

Yet, many were too “perfectly” conservative to support Romney even though he was the only viable GOP candidate.


45 posted on 11/07/2012 3:07:50 PM PST by chronicles
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