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The voting group that no one is talking about......
November 3, 2012 | Ted Andrews

Posted on 11/03/2012 8:21:28 AM PDT by TMA62

Call it the Evangelical vote or Value vote. I heard Rush talk about it a few days ago and an Evangelical in Ohio on FNC this morning. The Evangelical vote stayed home in 2008 but was back in full force in the 2010 mid-terms which were blow out wins for the GOP. Nothing has changed in 2012 and the Evangelicals are going to be deciding factors in many races nationwide.

This is what Evangelicals have seen over the last few years.

1. Obama's assault on marriage, life and contraception 2. Obamacare (need I say more) 3. The attack on faith based institutions 4. The booing of God at the DNC Convention 5. The booing of Jerusalem as Israel's Capitol at the DNC Convention. 6. The attacks on Todd Akin and Richard Mourdock for their personal views on abortion. (Especially Mourdock's because they are attacking his religious faith)

I think Evangelicals have seen and heard these attacks and know what is at stake. I think that the polls do not show this since most pollsters are concerned about "weighting" their polls. Just as pollsters have been oversampling democrats in polls to levels that are not realistic for 2012, I bet they have under sampled Evangelicals in their polls to a level that is also not realistic. Rush as even said that nearly all pollsters are acting like 2010 never happened. The Evangelical vote is going to be more of a factor next week than they were in 2010. I think we are in store for an epic surprise on Tuesday night.


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KEYWORDS: 2012; christianvote; evangelical; evangelicals; romney2012; value; valuesvoters; vanity; vote

1 posted on 11/03/2012 8:21:35 AM PDT by TMA62
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To: TMA62
Personally, I think the Democrats, Obama and the media have gravely underestimated the most overlooked voting group of all -— real Americans that work and pay actual taxes.

These are the Americans that realize what Obama is: a Benito Mussolini wannabe narcissist who hates this country and all that it stands for. A prayer ruggin’ Muslim more comfortable when lying than actually telling the truth. A self-appointed demigod who surrounds himself with American hater fringe people who have escaped prosecution for their crimes. If they get four more years, we are undone completely

2 posted on 11/03/2012 8:27:54 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: TMA62
TMA...

A guest on Hugh Hewitt last night noted while their maybe long term Theological differences that may never be resolved, two groups that believe in Christ have more in common ( maybe theologically, but more so how they view the world politically), especially in this election cycle that would in essence be a 1 - 2 punch at the polls and they are Catholics and Evangelicals. This is not to take your thunder away, but to add to it, and in a sense was a Ronmey theme last night at his rallye to work w/ everyone one for America. I see these two groups doing just that on the 6th.

I have been saying since the spring, this will be a blowout in epic proportions that will have progressives and liberals stunned and dazed for weeks after the 6th...

3 posted on 11/03/2012 8:31:15 AM PDT by taildragger (( Fubarward Obama 2012, think about it :-) ))
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To: TMA62

[Rush as even said that nearly all pollsters are acting like 2010 never happened.]

Exactly, 2010 is the elephant in the room that scares the hell out pollsters, RINO’s and especially democrats.

We haven’t disappeared, we have just been patiently waiting for the chance to finish the job.


4 posted on 11/03/2012 8:31:47 AM PDT by RetSignman (REMEMBER THE 2010 MOVEMENT)
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To: TMA62

As a lifelong evangelical who views Mormonism as a cult, I could not wait to vote for the candidate with the magic underwear.


5 posted on 11/03/2012 8:32:39 AM PDT by polkajello (Romney: The Lesser of Two Weasels)
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To: taildragger

“I have been saying since the spring, this will be a blowout in epic proportions...”
Hope it is and not another ‘hanging chad’ type fiasco. Can’t wait to see Beckel and Williams face on Wednesday, should Romney win.


6 posted on 11/03/2012 8:36:06 AM PDT by duckman (I'm part of the group pulling the wagon!)
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To: TMA62

I agree with the basic premise.

Evangelicals in the old days tended to stay home on election day. Then around the time of Reagan they started to come out in favor of conservative Christian principles.

But the RINO establishment kept double-crossing them. Just for one example, they turned out big for Bush in 2004, but stayed home in 2006 because they felt that Bush had failed them in the beginning of his second term and neglected to do what he promised. Karl Rove was pulling all the wrong levers.

Frankly, Romney was a lousy choice for getting out the Evangelical vote. He was the left-most candidate except for Hussein’s Ambassador to China, and he was a Mormon. He had a pro-abort and pro-gay and socialist record.

But. They may turn out for him anyway, since he is the only choice left, and Obama is so obviously horrible. In fact, it’s not even all that implausible to suggest that if Obama is not the Antichrist, he is a pretty good substitute. He’s trying very hard to fill that position.

But, God help us if Romney goes back to his old ways. Bush lost that vote after he betrayed them, and Romney will lose them even faster unless he manages to get some real principles.

Meantime, yes, Romney probably will get a good Evangelical vote. Let’s hope he appreciates it.


7 posted on 11/03/2012 8:38:12 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: TMA62

I am looking for the bitter clingers to get off their butts and vote. WV has gone red, so Pennsylvanians ought to do the same.


8 posted on 11/03/2012 8:38:47 AM PDT by palmer (Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
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To: duckman; vette6387; mazda77; Doogle; IrishMike

Right now on Yahoo News, there’s a headline “Obama ahead in early voting in swing states.” What the Hades is that?? The opposite is being said. The MSM lying headlines make me ill.


9 posted on 11/03/2012 8:39:39 AM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: TMA62
Daniel Henninger wrote a fine piece about the role of Evangelicals in yesterday's Wall Street Journal:

Romney's Secret Voting Bloc

I was especially pleased to see Ralph Reed was working in Ohio, as he had a lot to do with Bush's victory here in 2004. Here are a couple of paragraphs from the story:

Ralph Reed, the president of the Faith and Freedom Coalition, has been spending a lot of time in states such as Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin in the belief that evangelical support for Mr. Romney could be decisive. He notes that when George W. Bush won Ohio in 2004, the Kerry camp thought their dominance of Democratic Cuyahoga County around Cleveland had the state locked up. But Mr. Bush's solid support in evangelical-dominated counties from Cincinnati to the West Virginia border carried Ohio by two percentage points.

Mr. Reed notes that in several opinion polls—NBC, Pew and ABC—the percentage of evangelicals claiming to support Mr. Romney has been in the mid-70s. "We estimate that in 2008 there were 350,000 evangelicals who didn't vote in Ohio," Mr. Reed says. "Obama carried the state by 260,000." If that support of 70% or more holds for Mr. Romney in Ohio, and if the share of the evangelical vote increases by a point or two, then the challenger could carry the Buckeye State.

10 posted on 11/03/2012 8:41:02 AM PDT by TonyInOhio (O-H-I-O, Barry - misspell our name and we kick you out!)
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To: RetSignman

I can’t tell you how many rats I’ve heard announce ‘the TEA party is DEAD!’ like we were all whisked away to Siberia or something. I just laugh and laugh internally when I hear this.


11 posted on 11/03/2012 8:41:23 AM PDT by txhurl
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To: polkajello
That's hilarious...and I'm right there with you.

2010 was a warm up punch, IMO. Time for a devastating Right hook and the knockout.

12 posted on 11/03/2012 8:42:47 AM PDT by FightforFreedomCA (I WILL be voting on November 6th to evict the current pResident.)
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To: RetSignman
we have just been patiently waiting for the chance to finish the job.

I completely agree with that statement.

13 posted on 11/03/2012 8:46:40 AM PDT by A message
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To: TMA62

It saddens me that Christian preachers are, for the most part, afraid to say anything on Sunday mornings for fear of losing their tax exempt status. I’ve never understood why a church should me making a profit to begin with. At the end of their fiscal year, if there’s any money in the account, give it away.

But I think another problem they have is all the years of standing in the pulpit and condemning Mormonism. I’m especially offended at Johnny Hunt who stands in the pulpit and says even though he doesn’t agree with “President obama”, he prays for him. I stopped listening after that so I don’t know if he ever prays for the Mormon like he prays for the Muslim.


14 posted on 11/03/2012 8:48:56 AM PDT by Terry Mross (To former friends and relatives. Don't ever contact me if you still support obama.)
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To: polkajello

When it comes down to a president who has shown over and over again that he has malice in his heart for America or a person whose love for America shines out of his eyes when he speaks about the country ... easy vote.


15 posted on 11/03/2012 8:51:27 AM PDT by MissMagnolia (Being powerful is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren't. (M.Thatcher))
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To: TMA62

The base did come out and vote in 2008. McCain didn’t do his part. McCain didn’t deliver the independent voter.

In 2010 the independent voters threw the dems out.

You people are dreaming if you think evangelicals are going to vote for Romney.


16 posted on 11/03/2012 8:53:11 AM PDT by Truth101A
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To: TMA62

The base did come out and vote in 2008. McCain didn’t do his part. McCain didn’t deliver the independent voter.

In 2010 the independent voters threw the dems out.

You people are dreaming if you think evangelicals are going to vote for Romney.


17 posted on 11/03/2012 8:53:11 AM PDT by Truth101A
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To: TMA62
Add this to the mix:

http://www.nwherald.com/2012/11/02/ill-bishops-election-message-criticizes-obama/acpu7u0/

18 posted on 11/03/2012 8:56:00 AM PDT by Hero
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To: Truth101A

Truth101A, please look at post 10. There was a significant drop in the Evangelical vote in Ohio alone between 2004 and 2008. Both the Evangelical/Value vote and independents are in the Romney camp now.


19 posted on 11/03/2012 8:58:24 AM PDT by TMA62 (Al Sharpton - The North Korea of race relations)
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To: Terry Mross
It saddens me that Christian preachers are, for the most part, afraid to say anything on Sunday mornings for fear of losing their tax exempt status. I’ve never understood why a church should me making a profit to begin with. At the end of their fiscal year, if there’s any money in the account, give it away.

That doesn't make sense. It is the NON-profit status that churches are concerned about. They do not want to pay taxes on property. Some churches have a lot of property that municipalities are drooling over tax-wise. Churches don't make income that they keep for long. (Well they aren't supposed to keep the income) Also, pastors get some breaks tax wise, they are considered to be self-employed.

About Mormonism: We used to call it a cult, too, but Mormonism has reformed somewhat.

20 posted on 11/03/2012 9:20:09 AM PDT by madison10 (I love it when My plan comes together ~~God)
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To: TMA62

PUMAS! By the millions that will turn out for.. Wait nevermind that was 2008’s “secret weapon”


21 posted on 11/03/2012 9:21:17 AM PDT by JoshuaLawrenceChamberlain
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To: Terry Mross

We’ve been attending the same church for about 20 years, and this is the first time I have ever heard the pastor speak on voting, and making sure you’re voting with the party that believes in Biblical principles...which he then went on to enumerate: pro life, pro same sex marriage, and pro Israel. Our pastor then went on to explain why he’ll have no problem voting for a President who is a Mormon. He said he’s not voting for a pastor, he’s voting for a President.

Then on the radio I heard John MacArthur say the same thing and Billy Graham ads have been in the last couple of weeks.

I’ve read articles from black Evangelicals who are saying exactly the same thing to their congregations.


22 posted on 11/03/2012 9:40:28 AM PDT by memyselfandi59
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To: RetSignman

Exactly! Don’t forget Chik Fil A, either!


23 posted on 11/03/2012 9:46:19 AM PDT by glock rocks (14 million US deer tags this fall... the world's largest standing army of scoped-rifle marksmen. Hmm)
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To: JoshuaLawrenceChamberlain

No secret weapon Joshua. The religious right has a track record in coming out in drives on elections. 2012 will be no exception. The PUMAS were a one time thing and did not show up. (Typical democrats)


24 posted on 11/03/2012 9:49:05 AM PDT by TMA62 (Al Sharpton - The North Korea of race relations)
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To: TMA62

I work for a high-profile Christian publisher that is suing the Obama administration and HHS. Four years ago I’d bet 30 percent of our company, which is very conservative voted for Obama. I’d be shocked if Obama exceeded five percent this year and our turnout will be 80+ percent.


25 posted on 11/03/2012 9:52:40 AM PDT by cdga5for4
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To: polkajello
I am in total agreement. As an evangelical Christian I was not going to vote for Romney because he is a member and leader of a cult. But that all changed. The straw that broke the camels back was when Emperor Obamessiah circumvented the Congress and the will of the American people by giving amnesty and U.S. benefits to millions of ILLEGAL ALIENS through an "Executive Order". That was the final insult. Obama is ruling by fiat; he is a Marxist, Socialist, Anti-American, black-racist dictator and I and my entire family have had it and are voting for Romney and Ryan.

While Romney is a member of a cult, he is not a communist, he does not hate America and he does have the country's best interest at heart and knows first-hand what it takes to create and sustain a successful business or enterprise. Obama is none of these things and is doing everything within his power to destroy America from within.

26 posted on 11/03/2012 10:48:30 AM PDT by Jmouse007 (Lord deliver us from evil, in Jesus name, amen.)
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To: Jmouse007

“While Romney is a member of a cult, he is not a communist, he does not hate America and he does have the country’s best interest at heart and knows first-hand what it takes to create and sustain a successful business or enterprise. Obama is none of these things and is doing everything within his power to destroy America from within.”


As an evangelical Christian I couldn’t agree more and tell fellow EVers the same thing when they ask me about the cult thing.

BTW, Øbama has issued 923 EOs only FDR has issued more.


27 posted on 11/03/2012 11:12:39 AM PDT by bjorn14 (Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. Isaiah 5:20)
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To: Jmouse007
A secular test that I just though of when reading this thread is

"Which is worse? A person who ENTERS the White House rich, or a person who will LEAVE the White House rich?"

Or in another sense, "Who can be bought?"

28 posted on 11/03/2012 11:23:54 AM PDT by Gorzaloon (The Google thing is in the yard again. Sniffed the laundry, now it's looking in the septic tank.)
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