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AP Exclusive: Memos Show US Hushed up Soviet Crime
Associated Press ^ | September 10, 2012 | RANDY HERSCHAFT and VANESSA GERA

Posted on 09/10/2012 10:25:03 AM PDT by dfwgator

The American POWs sent secret coded messages to Washington with news of a Soviet atrocity: In 1943 they saw rows of corpses in an advanced state of decay in the Katyn forest, on the western edge of Russia, proof that the killers could not have been the Nazis who had only recently occupied the area.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: coldwar; fdr; katyn; katynforest; massacre; poland; soviet; wwii
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To: x
C'mon. If FDR were actually and literally a Communist our history would have been very different from what it was and we'd be a very different country than we are now.

Presidents have limited ability to change things without the cooperation of the Congress, the Supremes, state and local governments, and popular opinion.

You think a future conservative president could issue an executive order and abolish the EPA, HHS, Dept Ed, etc, etc all by himself?

FDR pushed us as hard as anyone could in the direction of socialism. If he hadn't died, he might have pushed us even further.

121 posted on 09/10/2012 4:06:27 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Charlie Daniels - Payback Time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWwTJj_nosI)
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To: KantianBurke; PapaBear3625; dsc

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My Lai: Calley Apologizes for My Lai (August 21, 2009)

# 23, # 58:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2321763/posts


122 posted on 09/10/2012 4:15:47 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: PapaBear3625
the American public might decide that maybe we should support the Germans AGAINST the Russians.

Which wouldn't have been very good for the jews, who already decided which side they were on.

123 posted on 09/10/2012 4:32:41 PM PDT by rabidralph (http://www.patriotcalendars.com/)
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To: dfwgator
Please note that the Russians admitted to having committed the Katyn massacre before the U.S. admitted to having known about it!

Why, we ask. Ask yourself. In my mind, to maintain over the past decades the myth of Adolf the Monster and Joe as a harmless good Uncle of FDR. To maintain the myth that Nazism remains a threat to American Republic and not Marxism. To maintain the myth, expressed somewhere above, that nothing better or different could have been done for Eastern Europe by America in the aftermath of WWII.

120 million murdered by the Communists in the meantime. (OK, please do argue that it was "only" 70 million!)

To this fracking day mention neo-Nazis and you'll get an emotional response of fear and loathing, as if a few clowns who like to dress in shiny uniforms were a dangerous army. Mentioned neo-Communists and you'll het a "huh?", if only because I had to invent the term, which easily applies to your current beloved President. The Nazi Party ceased existing in may of 1945, get it? Its ideology, whatever it was, ceased existing at the same time. Marxism thrives as an ideology driving totalitarian states, and as a secular religion and theology at almost every American university. (Sorry for impersonating Captain Obvious.)

(I read last week that the ultra dangerous cult of Moonies at the height of their powers in the US had... 7,000 members! The lovely parish of People's Temple in San Francisco, beloved by all local Democrat politicians, had at least that many members and sympathizers. D'uh!)

How we as a society and as individuals see this history is the effect of persistent propaganda by the Western governments, assisted in the effort by the media and the educators, all of those institutions infiltrated by what was once known as "fellow travelers". It is false history, folks.

So with regards to the release of these memoes, I believe it was done because the Polish government requested it, and enough time had passed for the authors and the readers to croak and go to wherever such people go after death.

124 posted on 09/10/2012 4:53:22 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: PapaBear3625
Presidents have limited ability to change things without the cooperation of the Congress, the Supremes, state and local governments, and popular opinion.

A true Marxist-Leninist would have contempt for such thinking.

Lenin, Mao, Castro -- they didn't let rules and procedures, constitutions and laws stand in their way. They seized power first and formed a new system around themselves and their ideology.

That's what Roosevelt would have done if he was really and truly a Communist. It's not like it would have been as hard for him in the Great Depression as it would have been for other presidents at other times.

Of course, Allende was an exception, but sort of the exception that proves the rule. For a real Marxist-Leninist there's success or total failure for themselves. Somebody who settles for the middle ground of incremental change probably isn't a communist.

125 posted on 09/10/2012 5:05:11 PM PDT by x
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To: exit82
One thing I remember from a college course I took on World War Two was that, during the Yalta Conference, Stalin proposed to Churchill and Roosevelt that he be allowed to take one million Germans and execute them. Roosevelt reputedly chuckled at this and suggested that they reduce the number to "only one hundred thousand", at which time Churchill shoved away from the table and stormed out of the room.

When Churchill finally returned, Roosevelt tried to placate him by stating that they were only joking. Stalin then stated that Roosevelt might have been joking, but he wasn't.

Considering the facts about Stalin that I know from my research on his atrocities against his own people (my father's family is from the Volga River Valley near Saratov), I wouldn't put this past him.

126 posted on 09/10/2012 5:30:49 PM PDT by Stonewall Jackson ("I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy.")
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To: Stonewall Jackson

How many German civilians died when they were resettled from the Volga region and from Pomerania, western Poland and Czechoslovakia? (I saw the number recently, but forgot it.)


127 posted on 09/10/2012 5:35:08 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: x
Somebody who settles for the middle ground of incremental change probably isn't a communist.

Obumster isn't a Communist? Oh, right he's "Democrat".

In fact, under the circumstances of the present day United States he isn't a foolish Communist like the Chairman Gus Hall (not his real name!) or still living Chairman Bob Avakian, he is a smart Communist who refers to one of his dedicated comrades as "just a guy who lives in the neighbourhood", and will never admit to being a "Communist". That's smarts that lead to power and to bypassing Congress and the Constitution at will, like it's a-ringin' the bell, to misquote Chuck Berry!

128 posted on 09/10/2012 5:42:13 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: dfwgator

FDR was a pretty evil dude


129 posted on 09/10/2012 6:01:46 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Revolting cat!
I'm not certain of the overall number, but I do know the approximate number of Volga River Germans (my ancestors). From 1921 to 1941, the Soviets killed (through execution, military razing of villages, and forced famine) roughly 200,000, or 33%, of the VRG's. Then, in late 1941, the remaining 400,000 were deported to camps in Kazakhstan and Siberia. Approximately 135,000, or 33%, perished during the journey or once they arrived in these camps.

Here's a well written book on the subject.

130 posted on 09/10/2012 6:20:35 PM PDT by Stonewall Jackson ("I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy.")
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To: Stonewall Jackson

And there are of course the Yalta resettlements after 1944. Horror stories that are only now seeing light.


131 posted on 09/10/2012 6:24:43 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: dfwgator

I need to look into that. Where does the 3 million number come from? The Nuremburg trials were fed on joint intel but most of it was Soviet supplied.


132 posted on 09/10/2012 7:44:18 PM PDT by TheRhinelander
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To: TheRhinelander

“According to the 1931 National Census there were 3,130,581 Polish Jews measured by the declaration of their religion.”


133 posted on 09/10/2012 7:46:40 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: TheRhinelander

JEWISH POPULATION OF EUROPE IN 1933: POPULATION DATA BY COUNTRY

http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005161


134 posted on 09/10/2012 7:51:47 PM PDT by dfwgator (I'm voting for Ryan and that other guy.)
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To: Revolting cat!

German atrocities didn’t occur until full 10 years after FDR’s Uncle Joe starved three million in the Ukraine, and yet whose side did we take?


Actually...it was 5 to 7 million Stalin starved to death in Ukraine. And we still took Stalin’s side


135 posted on 09/10/2012 8:37:42 PM PDT by SeminoleCounty (The DNC Convention is like the Nuremburg Rallies for non-white folks)
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To: dfwgator
You make some interesting points.

Pilsudski was a sworn enemy of Imperial Russia, and his political-military dream was to break up the Soviet Union into its former constituent nations, which was quite similar to Hitler's dream.

On the other hand, Pilsudski was a Socialist radical and revolutionary for 20 years prior to 1914.

Had it not been for his passionate commitment to Polish independence, I think he might have been completely comfortable in Lenin's inner circle.

I think Pilsudski’s ultimate dream may have been to restore the old Polish confederation.

I'm not sure Hitler would have bought in on that idea.

Which leads me to another “What If?”

By 1940, Hitler had abundant evidence that England and France would do almost anything to avoid war.

I think the best strategic gamble for Hitler was to give Poland EVERY concession it wanted in exchange for Nazi rail passage to the Russian border.

Hitler might have even convinced the Poles to fight on Germany's side.

He certainly could have convinced Finland to fight Russia, and probably Hungary and Romania, who would have remained neutral at the very least.

Think of that...

Hitler would have sent a completely fresh and fully equipped army into Russia, at the ideal time, probably around May 1st, plenty of time to seal off Leningrad, seize the Baltic nations, seize Belarus and Ukraine, and drive straight through to Moscow before winter set in.

On Germany's western border Hitler could have declared a unilateral non-aggression pact with Denmark, Holland, and Belgium as long as they did not assist France or England.

That would leave about 125 miles of French-German border to defend against extremely reluctant French and English armies.

Not a perfect plan, of course.

Most likely petroleum and strategic minerals would be a constant concern.

But the actual alternative he did choose?

My goodness...

Invading western Europe, invading Scandinavia, invading the Balkans, invading north Africa, a massive bombing and U-Boat campaign against England, AND the invasion of Russia!

That was never going to work.

Of course, would Poland have actually believed that Hitler would keep his promises after Russia was crushed?

Would Hitler keep his murderous hands off Poland's 3 million Jews?

The man was truly evil, and probably would have found a dozen other ways to destroy himself and Germany no matter what options he chose.

136 posted on 09/11/2012 1:42:04 AM PDT by zeestephen
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To: KantianBurke

“Calley deserves every bit of it. A mass murderer who disgraced the uniform of our country.”

I see that I failed to make myself clear. I was drawing a contrast between a single officer going off the rails and mass murder as an instrument of policy.


137 posted on 09/11/2012 3:27:52 AM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: dsc

The My Lai massacre involved many more than some solitary LT.


138 posted on 09/11/2012 3:53:34 AM PDT by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
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To: Revolting cat!

139 posted on 09/11/2012 7:02:18 AM PDT by dfwgator (I'm voting for Ryan and that other guy.)
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To: KantianBurke

“The My Lai massacre involved many more than some solitary LT.”

Do you refer to his subordinates?


140 posted on 09/11/2012 3:26:18 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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