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The Oil Scarcity Myth
Townhall.com ^ | March 17, 2012 | Bob Beauprez

Posted on 03/17/2012 4:13:24 AM PDT by Kaslin

Rapidly rising gas prices at the pump have turned up the heat on Barack Obama.  Interestingly, the Administration that just three years ago said it was committed to policies that would cause energy prices to “skyrocket” and get our gas prices “to the levels in Europe,” now says there isn’t much they can do about rising costs to consumers.

One of the many falsehoods that the President and his anti-fossil fuel allies like to perpetuate is that the U.S. is about run out of reserves.  “But you and I both know that with only 2% of the world’s oil reserve, we can’t just drill our way to lower gas prices – not when we consume 20% of the world’s oil,” Obama said yet again in his weekly radio address last Saturday.  He repeatedly makes this less-than-truthful claim to obsessively press his anti-oil and gas agenda and justify wasting billions on green energy fantasies. 

Obama's basis for his 2%-of-the-world's-oil-reserves claim is the narrow definition of “proven reserves” – a measure based on currently producing fields only, rather than identified but undeveloped known reserves which are far more vast. The 22 billion barrels of “proved” reserves, according to the federal government’s Energy Information Administration “are a small subset of recoverable resources.”  Obama conveniently forgets to mention that part.  That he knowingly repeats the less than truthful claim for the purpose of perpetuating a misconception is shameless. 

Various reports from Obama’s own government including the Energy Department, the Congressional Research Service, and the Energy Information Agency as well as a plethora of private analyses tell a dramatically different story.  To be sure, technological challenges, cost of extraction, and political barriers will prohibit some part of the oil buried deep beneath the earth from being harvested, but Obama's representation is pure baloney and he knows it.  For a detailed summary of a more accurate assessment of our reserves click here for a feature story from today’s Investor’s Business Daily.  If you want the condensed version in graphic form, see below.  Please take note that Obama would have you believe all we have left is depicted by the tiny red triangle at the top of the pyramid.

Courtesy of Investor's Business Daily


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abiogenic; thomasgold

1 posted on 03/17/2012 4:13:26 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Obama finally has things going the way he wants them, but it might effect his election so he is trying to soft soap America. He has gotten away with it for 3 years, and will probably get away with it again.

Tired of his lies. Tired of democrats selling us out. Tired of Republicans going along to get along.


2 posted on 03/17/2012 4:28:13 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Kaslin
Is our oil owed to those who hold our debt? Wonder what the answer is or does America own our oil? Should have drilled right after carter (the peanut). Someone is certainly loving these high prices. Since most Americans do not own oil wells, most of us (including me) are fricasseed.
3 posted on 03/17/2012 4:30:10 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: Kaslin

In 1980, the U.S. had oil reserves of roughly 30 billion barrels. Yet from 1980 through 2010, we produced over 77 billion barrels of oil. In other words, over the last 30 years, we produced over 150 percent of our proved reserves.

The track record of the Federal Government and the industry in general to quantify the future with regards to oil and gas would have me betting on the “over” rather than the “under”.


4 posted on 03/17/2012 4:33:06 AM PDT by Recon Dad (Gas & Petroleum Junkie)
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To: Kaslin
the messiah has not been taken in by the Myth.

he just blatantly lies about it. in his Marxist upbringing, it is not only a good idea it is a requirement to RULE! He has stated that he wants European type oil pricing...he would love a country full of bicycle riders who owe everything they have to the state....

Control baby!

(“Obama is prepared to really take power and begin to RULE from day one”..... Valerie Jarret co-chair of the Messiah's transition team.)

5 posted on 03/17/2012 4:37:39 AM PDT by Vaquero ("Sic semper tyrannis")
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To: Kaslin

Here’s an even broader picture......

In 1944, U.S. proven oil reserves were 20 billion barrels — about the same as they are today. Yet, between 1945 and 2010, the United States produced 167 billion barrels of oil. In other words, the United States produced over 8 times more oil than the amount of proven oil reserves it had in 1944. How can that be? The answer is that proven oil reserves are not stagnant because people keep looking for oil. Proven oil reserves keep changing, are officially recorded every year, tallied country by country, and published in the Oil and Gas Journal, among other publications. And due to U.S. entrepreneurship and ingenuity, more reserves are found and proven each year.

What happens is one or more of the following: 1) technology is found that converts hard-to-produce resources into proven reserves, 2) oil prices increase to allow more expensive types of oil to be produced, and/or 3) companies are able to purchase additional leases and explore for new basins of oil. An example of the first case where technology enables oil resources to become proven reserves is hydraulic fracturing and horizontal drilling used to produce shale oil resources, most notably in North Dakota. North Dakota now ranks third among the states in oil production.[iii] Its proven reserves have increased 25-fold in 13 years, and are likely to grow much larger.


6 posted on 03/17/2012 4:41:31 AM PDT by Recon Dad (Gas & Petroleum Junkie)
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To: no-to-illegals

I can tell you that several International companies (some based in Germany) hold title to Powder River Basin coal.


7 posted on 03/17/2012 4:56:57 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Beware the Sweater Vest)
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To: Recon Dad

“The track record of the Federal Government and the industry in general to quantify the future with regards to oil and gas would have me betting on the “over” rather than the “under”.”

To say nothing of the fact that pumped out, dried up wells in the Gulf of Mexico have been found to be “refilling” some how.


8 posted on 03/17/2012 4:57:44 AM PDT by TalBlack ( Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: Recon Dad

“What happens is one or more of the following: 1) technology is found that converts hard-to-produce resources into proven reserves, 2) oil prices increase to allow more expensive types of oil to be produced, and/or 3) companies are able to purchase additional leases and explore for new basins of oil. An example of the first case where technology enables oil resources to become proven reserves is hydraulic fracturing and horizontal drilling used to produce shale oil resources, most notably in North Dakota. North Dakota now ranks third among the states in oil production.[iii] Its proven reserves have increased 25-fold in 13 years, and are likely to grow much larger.”

Or as in our case ya drill a little deeper then the Wolfberry and we find the Canyon Sands. We’ve been drilling Wolfberry wells here for many years, then we decided to go down to 9000 ft and see whats there, we hit the Canyon Sands at about 8500 ft and these wells are coming in at close to 400 bpd and holding a around 60 bpd after a year. This was on our old Wolfcamp stuff that was pretty much played out in this area. Seismic did not show this, so I guess what I’m trying to say is, you don’t really know what you have until ya start puching holes.


9 posted on 03/17/2012 5:04:51 AM PDT by Dusty Road
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To: Dusty Road
Or as in our case ya drill a little deeper then the Wolfberry and we find the Canyon Sands. We’ve been drilling Wolfberry wells here for many years, then we decided to go down to 9000 ft and see whats there, we hit the Canyon Sands at about 8500 ft and these wells are coming in at close to 400 bpd and holding a around 60 bpd after a year. This was on our old Wolfcamp stuff that was pretty much played out in this area. Seismic did not show this, so I guess what I’m trying to say is, you don’t really know what you have until ya start puching holes.
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The Russians abandoned the old fossil fuel phony theory years ago while the ‘peak oil’ propagandists kept peddling the same old line. Peak oil is nothing more than the precursor to global warming and carbon tax junk science war on carbon. What they will come up with next remains to be seen. Back to the Russians. Their theory is that crude is a natural occurring substance found in the molten center of the earth and works its way out to the ‘relative surface’ of the earth through fissures in the mantel. That is why the the Russians have been drilling down around the 10,000 foot level for a long time. Anyone ought to be able to figure out you do not find many dead dinosaurs down at 10,000 feet.

10 posted on 03/17/2012 5:42:43 AM PDT by iontheball
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To: iontheball

“Their theory is that crude is a natural occurring substance found in the molten center of the earth and works its way out to the ‘relative surface’ of the earth through fissures in the mantel.”

Only one problem with their theory, why is oil only found in ancient seabeds?


11 posted on 03/17/2012 6:03:55 AM PDT by Dusty Road
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To: Kaslin

There isnt a scarcity of oil.......nor is there a scarcity of printed money.....

Its the printed money and subsequent devaluation of the Dollar that is pushing fuel....

One place where the nutcase Ron Paul is correct on


12 posted on 03/17/2012 6:12:28 AM PDT by sbark
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To: iontheball

“Anyone ought to be able to figure out you do not find many dead dinosaurs down at 10,000 feet.”

LMAO! Oh you may find one or two along with the billions of tons of micro organisims that settle to the seabeds daily and have for hundreds of millions of years. The fact that oil sample produce fossil molecules is another tell. The sea’s are producing new beds of oil bearing deposits as we type.


13 posted on 03/17/2012 6:27:03 AM PDT by Dusty Road
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To: Venturer

“Tired of Republicans going along to get along.”

But why are they trying to get along with our pretend president?

And why has the Democrat Party become anti-American?

Are they all being blackmailed by President Obalgae?


14 posted on 03/17/2012 6:47:07 AM PDT by abclily
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To: iontheball

Anyone ought to be able to figure out you do not find many dead dinosaurs down at 10,000 feet.


Precursors to modern moles? Maybe they burrowed their way down there?


15 posted on 03/17/2012 6:52:12 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

Dinosaurs are thought to be bird like, not mammal like.

I would argue the burrowing owl is the possible result of the burrowing dinosaur precursor

16 posted on 03/17/2012 7:04:55 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: Dusty Road; iontheball
“Their theory is that crude is a natural occurring substance found in the molten center of the earth and works its way out to the ‘relative surface’ of the earth through fissures in the mantel.”

Only one problem with their theory, why is oil only found in ancient seabeds?


Two problems:

1. According to the abiogenic theory, crude does not originate in the "molten center" of the earth or in magma but from premordial methane trapped in the mantle under high pressure (also, as far as "fossil" goes, there are entire moons of liquid hydrocarbons).

2. Petroleum has been found in all sorts of geology (such as under basement rock), not only in "ancient seabeds." Methane, the feedstock of petroluem according to the abiogenic theory, seeps up everywhere. It's just that there are certain geological formations or geological conditions that can more easily trap petroleum, just as there are certain environmental conditions that facilitate the accumulation of methane, such as the cold and water pressure that trap undersea methane hydrates.

Thomas Gold's original monograph, The Origin of Methane (and Oil) in the Crust of the Earth, Thomas Gold, U.S.G.S. Professional Paper 1570, The Future of Energy Gases, 1993 And a collection of his papers is HERE.

You can also look at this (though, it may not work if you're not a member of a library with a subscription to the journal): Kropotkin, P. N. (1985) Degassing of the Earth and the Origin of Hydrocarbons, published in the International Geology Review, 27, 1261-1275. I'll see if my school has such a subscription. Freepmail me.
17 posted on 03/17/2012 7:05:33 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: bert

So all those commercials about ‘Putting a tiger in your tank’ were just plain wrong?


18 posted on 03/17/2012 7:17:39 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: Kaslin
We have so much oil here in North America that I'd like to see us ban the import of oil and mandate that we only use what we have here for X number of years and create and develop our own energy supply.

We would be far better off without all these foreign entanglements and wars for oil along with the manipulation from OPEC and the rest. That's the real quagmire we're stuck in.

You want a winning campaign issue? There it is. Take a poll, if you need to.

19 posted on 03/17/2012 7:28:00 AM PDT by GBA (Natural Born American)
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To: Kaslin

Another thing to keep in mind: The 800 billion barrels of kerogen in the oil shale is recoverable using current technology.


20 posted on 03/17/2012 7:38:49 AM PDT by sima_yi ( Reporting live from the People's Republic of Boulder)
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To: Dusty Road

I’m reading where West Texas will be the next Bakken. Wolfberry, wolfcamp, Sprayberry all part of the Permian Basin.


21 posted on 03/17/2012 7:46:47 AM PDT by Recon Dad (Gas & Petroleum Junkie)
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To: iontheball
Oil is a naturally occurring byproduct of our molten core.

To understand it, ask a cook.

When you make a stew or make stock or meat sauce, etc., the fats rise to and pools on the surface.

Skim the fat off and eventually more rises to replace what you've skimmed away, maybe in that same spot, maybe in another.

The same is true for oil and natural gas.

Thanks to the tremendous heat (not quite as high as algore said, but HOT) and pressure, the Earth's core is like a combination pressure cooker/cosmic crock pot/galactic Dutch oven and as a result, oil and gases are constantly rising to the surface.

We have oil sands and tar pits. Oil seeps from cracks in the ocean floor and washes ashore on beaches all over the world. "Up through ground come a bubblin' crude"

As long as the core is cooking, we'll have all the oil and gas we could ever use. We'll skim off the easy finds, just like the chef skimming the fat off soup stock. And we'll have to work very hard to get to some finds, but some wells will never go dry and some of the old dry wells will begin to refill.

Until the Earth's core goes cold, we simply are not going to run out of oil and gas. To say otherwise is manipulation.

22 posted on 03/17/2012 7:51:09 AM PDT by GBA (Natural Born American)
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To: Recon Dad

Bulls eye! Your point is exactly how to refute the lies told by Obambi and someone should start running ads explaining to the public that reserves are not static.

The point needs to be made that we have no idea what percentage of the worlds oil reserves we actually have because the federal government has excluded most offshore areas of the US from exploration. I know from experience that there are some elephants still out there to be found.


23 posted on 03/17/2012 7:57:11 AM PDT by epithermal
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To: Kaslin
It is quite simple to understand.

Obama has limited powers.

He doesn't have any powers to use that would reduce the price of petroleum and gasoline.

His powers are limited to doing things that will cause the price to increase.

/s


24 posted on 03/17/2012 8:08:54 AM PDT by Iron Munro (If Repubs paid as much attention to Rush as the Dem's do, we wouldn't be in this mess)
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To: Dusty Road

“Only one problem with their theory, why is oil only found in ancient seabeds”

It isn’t ,, but the reason it is found in such areas close to the surface, is that the sedimentary rock is more porous, and allows it’s migration upwards FAR easier than the areas composed of Igneous and Metamorphic rock.

The oil in such stone is nearly at the surface (in the larger sense). But it is because the oil can travel through such stone, not because thats where it was made.


25 posted on 03/17/2012 8:32:47 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: Recon Dad

That’s just what we’ve found so far, We’ve yet to drill a horizontal but theres a couple of them being drilled nth of town, will be interesting to see how they do. It’s about triple the cost of what we’re doing now. Big difference between 2 mil and 6 mil when it comes to costs, hard to pay that off if they don’t come in big. Yep we’re in a major boom right now, the only ones not working just don’t want to.


26 posted on 03/17/2012 8:35:26 AM PDT by Dusty Road
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To: Recon Dad

That’s just what we’ve found so far, We’ve yet to drill a horizontal but theres a couple of them being drilled nth of town, will be interesting to see how they do. It’s about triple the cost of what we’re doing now. Big difference between 2 mil and 6 mil when it comes to costs, hard to pay that off if they don’t come in big. Yep we’re in a major boom right now, the only ones not working just don’t want to.


27 posted on 03/17/2012 8:35:45 AM PDT by Dusty Road
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To: DesertRhino
Sorry but I just don't buy that. Show me oil that doesn't have fossil microorganisms in it and I might.
28 posted on 03/17/2012 8:39:53 AM PDT by Dusty Road
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To: Dusty Road

“The fact that oil sample produce fossil molecules is another tell.”

Thats a contaminant which feeds on hydrocarbons. It would make as much sense to say that fish and whales are found in the ocean, proving that fish created water. Hydrocarbons can be created in the lab, by duplicating the tempurature and pressure of deep condictions. To date,, nobody has created a molecule of oil with a microorganism.

Why do you need such a convoluted answer to oil’s genesis? It’s found everywhere we seem to look in space. Carbon and Hydrogen are both the top four existing elements, and they READILY form compounds whenever they can. So why would it seem so weird that our planet is loaded with them?


29 posted on 03/17/2012 8:44:37 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: GBA
...I'd like to see us ban the import of oil and mandate that we only use what we have here....

THAT is an idea worth pursuing. Demonrats would have to buy into it since it fits so nicely with their limited supply mantra. This is a Palin position if I ever heard one.

30 posted on 03/17/2012 8:46:09 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (The day liberals grow up is the day tyranny ends.)
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To: Dusty Road

“The capital fact to note is that petroleum was born in the depths of the earth, and it is only there that we must seek its origin.” (Dmitri Mendeleev, 1877)

But he wasn’t too bright,,he only came up with the periodic table and was a literal genius when it came to chemistry.


31 posted on 03/17/2012 8:47:54 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: Dusty Road

I could just as easily ask you to show me some groundwater in which not a single microorganism is found. The fact is that our crust is utterly loaded with microorganisms, and everything in it,,,including petroleum will have them. But it almost never means they created the medium in which they are found.

And you do realize,, at some point for your theory to make sense, you have to do more tan find microorganisms in the oil? You have to demonstrate, via provable repeatable chemistry, HOW they do it. You are drawing the exact backwards conclusion.


32 posted on 03/17/2012 8:58:35 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: DesertRhino

Also, you might look at something else. We already have microorganisms that eat oil,, that are used in cleaning up spills. This fits neatly with the theory that the microorganisms are hungry contaminants, not the creators of oil.
So what specific microrganism demonstratably creates oil?


33 posted on 03/17/2012 9:04:41 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: DesertRhino
Here is a great read,very eye opening.

The Deep Hot Biosphere

34 posted on 03/17/2012 9:40:24 AM PDT by sand88 (Nothing on this Earth would get me to vote for Mitt.)
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To: abclily

You have asked good questions, I wish I had a good answer.

For the life of me I cannot understand how a man/woman goes to Congress and leaves their integrity, patriotism, and common sense behind to do what a political party tells them to do. No matter how I try I cannot believe that all human beings who register as Democrats can go along with this Muslim 100% of the time.It looks like 1(one) sane human being in the Democrat Congress could have peeked at this Obamacare mess and said, this things sucks, it is unConstitutional ,and I will not sell my soul for this useless bag of Golf playing Muslim trash we have as a leader.

Were they hypnotised, threatened, frightened, bribed,deaf, dumb, and blind?

There is no way 100% of Democrats could have loved that bill.


35 posted on 03/17/2012 11:45:07 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: DesertRhino

Sorry but you’ll not draw me into an argument, I’ve been in the business for over 40 year’s and you’ll not change my opinion.


36 posted on 03/17/2012 1:53:36 PM PDT by Dusty Road
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To: Iron Munro
It is quite simple to understand.

Obama has limited powers.

He doesn't have any powers to use that would reduce the price of petroleum and gasoline.

His powers are limited to doing things that will cause the price to increase.

Might want to rethink that

Executive Order: National Defense Resources Preparedness

37 posted on 03/17/2012 5:38:20 PM PDT by mountn man (Happiness is not a destination, its a way of life.)
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To: Dusty Road

Nobody is putting any “energy” into exploring this but it occurred to me years ago that oil might actually be a “renewable” resource. I saw an article on North Carolina trawlers bringing up chunks of solid methane. The stuff occurs naturally at depth under pressure. These are the same areas that get subducted globally. Hmmm. Pure CH4 under heat and pressure 10s of thousands of feet below the earth’s surface. If we can do the Fischer Tropsch in a lab why can’t the eareth itself do the same thing. Making aliphatic long carbon chains from methane.

This is not PC science. Global warming is.


38 posted on 03/18/2012 2:14:30 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: mountn man
Might want to rethink that

Did you miss the /s on the last line?


39 posted on 03/18/2012 7:39:44 AM PDT by Iron Munro (If Repubs paid as much attention to Rush as the Dem's do, we wouldn't be in this mess)
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To: Dusty Road; iontheball; Brilliant
Here's an excerpt from one of those Kropotkin papers I was able to get online through my connection to the school:

KOUDRYAVTSEV

N. A. Koudryavtsev revived Mendeleyev's hypothesis on a modern basis. In 1959 his monograph Oil, Gas and Solid Bitumens in Volcanic and Metamorphic Rocks was published in Leningrad; 1963 saw the publication of his mongrah Deep Crustal Faults and Oil Fields, and in 1973 his basic work appeared under the title Genesis of Oil and Gas. It summed up all the most important data that confirmed the inorganic origin of hydrocarbons known at the time.

In this work a very important empirical generalization was formulated whic is now known as "Koudryavtsev's rule." This rule is formulated as follows: "The most important of regularities that are observed in all oil-bearing areas, without exception, is that if oil or gas are present in one horizon, they will be present also at all lower levels, at least as traces of migration through the cracks." This statement is valid, whatever the composition of the rocks, the condition of their formation, ) both metamorphic and crystalline rocks), and the content of organic matter in them. "At those levels at which there are good collectors and traps, accumulations of industrial interest may occur." (7, p 140)

In the following twenty years Koudryavtsev's rule was confirmed without any exceptions in all oil fields which had been drilled to a sufficient depth. The most convincing examples are those where gas-saturated waters and oil fields are found at the lowermost layers of the sedimentary cover, directly situation on the crystalline basement. In such locations there would be no place for any so-called "source rocks" of oil between the lowermost sedimentary levels and the basement. The only source of hydrocarbons may be the cracks, the channels of outgassing from even greater depths. The presence of fluids, probably with admixtures of free hydrogen and hydrocarbons, in the middle and lower part of the continental crust and in the mantle at depths of 40 to 180 kilometers is suggest by the presence of layers with increased electroconductivity. These are seen in the data of magnetotelluric soundings and electrosounding using the MHD generators (1, 8).

An outstanding example confirming Koudryavtsev's rule is provided by the oil fields of the Volga-Ural region. Here the main oil fields were found in the multicolored and red colored sediments of the middle Devonian, deposited under oxidizing conditions, and this excludes any possibility that the oil was produced in that region. These oil deposits are located below the upper devonian layers which are rich in organic matter. Since oil is lighter than water and migrates only upward, this implies that the upper Devonian layers could not be the source of the oil. Some oil-rich levels in the lower part of the middle Devonian are situated almost at the surface of the crystalline basement or only a few meters from it.

Similar interrrelations have been known for a long time in the oil-containing formations of the North American platform (Kansas/Wyoming). This is in the lowermost layers of the Precambrian, where oil is situated in sandy rocks and in granites and gneisses on the surfaces of the crystalline basement. In recent decades similar facts were discovered in Russia during the survey of the fields of the Baykit anticline and the Nep-Botuob anticline on the Siberian platform. Oil and gas are seen here in correlation with deposits of the lower Cambrian and upper Proterozoic layers, i.e. with lower layers of the sedimentary blanket lying on the crystalline basement. IN the Verkhnye-Chonsk oil field oil is soaking the weathered crust of the basement and oil and gas condensate inflows are observed in the oil wells drilled into the basement (6). Similar relations are found in the USA (Illinois/Michigan), in Australia, in Oman (oil field Birba in deposits of the lower Cambrian) and in China (oil field Xinglontai and others)(12).

ln the Algerian Sahara the connection between the oil-bearing structures and meridionally oriented faults is noticeable. The oil fields are connected with deposits of Triassic, middle Carbonaceous, Devonian, Ordovician and Cambrian. (In the last one the main body of oil of the oil field Hassi-Massoud is concentrated.) Oil is encountered even deeper, up to the upper cracked part of the crystalline basement of the African platform that was reached by the drill. IN the basement rocks themselves and in in layers of the upper Paleozoic lying on it, the presence of oil is known in the fields Rurd-Bagel and Recullier, that of gas in fields Zarzaitin, In-Akamil and others.

In many cases the connection is apparent between the oil and gas fields on the one hand and structures situated above the fault lines or adjacent to grabens and rifts on the other hand. The same is noticeable in the locations of oil and gas fields in the North Sea, in the Don-Dniepter depression and in the West Siberian lowland. In the multi-layered fields where accumulations of oil are concentrated at several levels, situated one below the other, a degassing pipe is seen through which the migration of hydrocarbons appears to have taken place, reaching from the lower to the upper part of the stratigraphic section. For example the Har-yagin oil province on the edge of the Pechora basin contains 35 oil fields at levels of various ages, from middle Devonian to lower Triassic. Inside such a vertical zone the major and minor oil and gas condensate fields are encountered with abnormally high pressures in horizontal slabs as well as in "inverted cups" which represent geochemical and temperature anomalies and contain traces of the transport of hydrocarbon gases. The high pressure in the liquid an pores suggests intrusion of these fluids from depth. Apparently they penetrated from subcrustal layers of the upper mantle where there is a reducing environment. A fluid-gas phase here contains much hydrogen accompanied by methane, together with nitrogen, carbon monoxide, hydrogen sulfide and helium.

New confirmations of the theory of N.A. Koudryavtsev are shown by studies of the fluid-gas phase exuding from the ocean floor at the so-called "black smokers". and also by the discovery of methane hydrates in deposits of the continental slope crossed by faults, as well as by the presence of bitumens contained in the carbonaceous chondrite meteorites.
40 posted on 03/18/2012 6:58:25 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: aruanan

Great post!


41 posted on 03/18/2012 7:26:32 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

My tongue in cheek theory: the dinoaur population was largely comprised of herbivores, and if modern vegans teach us anything, it’s that herbivores are very gassy. All the dinosaur farts caused global warming, which was beneficial and led to even more dinoaurs and more methane.

Until, one day an asteroid came along, igniting all the methane and blowing dinosaur carcasses plumb underground from the intense shockwave. Natural gas is therefore ancient dinosaur farts, and crude oil is what is left of the dinosaurs, what with all the mushing that occurred when they were slammed underground. They were pretty well pureed and blackened by the searing heat.

Heck, it makes more sense than some leftist envirobabble, lol.


42 posted on 03/18/2012 7:43:47 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Dusty Road; DesertRhino

>> “Sorry but you’ll not draw me into an argument, I’ve been in the business for over 40 year’s and you’ll not change my opinion.” <<

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Way to go! - Don’t let them confuse you with truth and facts.
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43 posted on 03/18/2012 7:48:14 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: editor-surveyor

Since they’ve posed neither I guess I won’t have to worry about that.


44 posted on 03/19/2012 1:48:06 AM PDT by Dusty Road
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To: editor-surveyor

Thanks. I’ll keep transcribing that paper.


45 posted on 03/19/2012 5:33:52 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: Dusty Road
The fact that oil sample produce fossil molecules is another tell.

There is little in oil that supports a biogenic origin. The little that is there is more likely from remains of bacteria that feed on oil. The levorotatory effect in petroleum is too slight for it to have come from living matter.
46 posted on 03/19/2012 5:38:06 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: Dusty Road; iontheball; Brilliant; editor-surveyor; DesertRhino; crusty old prospector
Next installment of the Kropotkin paper referenced earlier (together with the Introduction, skipped earlier):

INTRODUCTION
The idea that oil has an inorganic genesis was first formulated and substantiated experimentally in the works of chemists M. Berteleau (1866), A. Biasson (1871), D. Kloetz, and most comprehensively in the works of D. I. Mendeleyev between 1877 and 1897. Medeleyev reported his theory at a meeting of the All-Russian Chemical Society in 1877 and later expounded it in the monograph Foundations of Chemistry, a classic work of that time. In Mendeleyev's article on oil in the Encyclopedic Vocabulary by Brockhaus and Efron (1897) we find the same arguments on the deep, inorganic origin of oil that are still used up to the present time: connection of the oil fields with deep crustal faults that act as channels for outgassing of the Earth, the presence of abnormally high gas pressures in some layers, inducing the gushing of oil, the presence of carbonaceous compounds including bitumens in meteorites, and in the deep Earth, the presence of a reducing environment, implied by inclusions of reduced iron in volcanic rocks. Treating the manganese-doped iron, containing 8% carbon, with hydrochloric acid, Mendeleyev obtained "a liquid mixture of hydrocarbons, which, according to its taste, its appearance and reactions is identical with natural petroleum." In 1897-1911 experimental studies of the inorganic synthesis of oil were carried out by A. Moisan, K.V. Kharichkov and other chemists. (6)

(Previous quoted section about Koudryavtsev goes here)

BOIKO
In the theory of an organic origin of petroleum it was considered that oil is formed in deposits rich in biotgenic organic matter, the so-called "source rocks", at temperatures not exceeding 300 to 500 uC. A decisive fact against this theory came from the determination of the temperature of formation of oil from quantitative relations of isomers of identical chemical composition. Such studies were performed by G.E. Boiko, who considered the relations for the best studied isomers from 322 oils from various oil fields of the world, and the results of these analyses were published between 1950 and 1957. The relations for these isomers in the hydrocarbon system depend mainly on temperature. "The results obtained have shown that in all oils of the world, the isomers of aromatic hydrocarbons are in relative proportions corresponding to the equilibrium at the temperature of approximately 1600 to 1800 u K [apparently the degree symbol is coming out as a u with a caret, these values in K correspond to 1327 to 1527 C] and pressures of 2 to 4 x 103 MPA (3, pp. 39-42). Based on experimental data and thermodynamic computations, G.E. Boiko came to the conclusion that the synthesis of oil takes place in the upper mantle at depths of 40-160 kilometers. In any case it could not be synthesized within the sedimentary blanket where temperatures and pressures certainly do not correspond to the isomeric relations characteristic of all oils.

EIGENSON
A. S. Eigenson came to analogous conclusions, based on mathematical modeling of the thermodynamics and the chemical composition of hydrocarbon systems, and he presented this in three papers. In these papers the following quantitative evidence for the abiogenic origin are given: the presence in some layers of oils and gas condensates of excessive amounts of methane; the absence of any traces of very high molecular weight substances like kerogen; the S/C ratio in most oils is many times greater than that of biomass (up to 75 atoms of sulfur to 1000 atoms of carbon in the Rosel-Point oil as compared to 0.7 in the biomass; more or less constant N/S ratio of oils in each area. Excessive abundance of sulfur compared to that in biomass is encountered also in gas systems. According to Anisimov, there are natural hydrocarbon gases known with H2S content up to 78 to 98 mole concentration (9, 1991, p. 19).

A. S. Eigenson underscored the inconsistency of the argumentation for the biogenic origin of oils based on the presence in them of so-called molecular fossils. "Hunt considers as a typical molecular fossil the porpyrins that are a closed bridge structure of four pyrol rings which can readily produce complexes. Such derivatives of porphyrin as a magnesium complex are contained in chlorophyll of green plants and as complexes of valence two iron are contained in hemoglobin and cytochrome. But many items regarding this assumed molecular fossil remain unconsidered. First of all, in no oils even traces of iron and magnesium complexes have been found, but only vanadium and nickel ones. In 1967 Hodgeson and Baker published results on the formation of porphyrins and the action of electric discharge (simulated lightening [sic]) upon the gaseous mixture of a simulated paleo-atmosphere. The same authors have discovered porphyrins in the the organic part of the Orgueil meteorite."

[Inserted comment here: Orgueil is one of five known meteorites belonging to the CI chondrite group (see meteorites classification), this being the largest (14 kg). This group is remarkable for having a composition that is essentially identical to that of the sun, excluding gaseous elements like hydrogen and helium.

Because of its extraordinarily primitive composition and relatively large mass, Orgueil is one of the most-studied meteorites. One notable discovery in Orgueil was a high concentration of isotopically anomalous xenon called "xenon-HL". The carrier of this gas is extremely fine-grained diamond dust that is older than the solar system itself, known as presolar grains.]

"There are a number of other proofs of the possibility of abiogenic synthesis of both porphyrins and other compounds which had been identified with confidence as molecular fossils, for example isoprenoids." (9, 1991, p. 19).

GOLD
The discovery of oil, deep in the Baltic Shield, may be considered a decisive factor in the hundred year old debate about the biogenic or abiogenic origin of oil. This discovery was made in deep wells that were drilled in the central part of the crystalline Baltic Shield, on the initiative of T. Gold. N. A. Koudryavtsev had attracted attention to the outflow of oil in the middle of the Precambrian shield in the annular structure of the Siljan Lake region of central Sweden. (7). In the opinion of some geologists this structure is an ancient paleozoic impact crater, in the opinion of others it is a paleo-volcano. In this structure there remained small sedimentary deposits of Ordovician age, up to 300 meters thick. Oil in small amounts was obtained there in the 18th century from wells. Because the thickness of the sedimentary rocks in the sites of the oil is so msall, N.A. Koudryavtsev believed that the oil comes from the Precambrian granite-gneiss basement. Sources of methane with admixtures of heavy hydrocarbons from the basement in the Baltic shield have been known for a long time in the Khibines area and in a number of oil fields of Sweden. Paraffin oils resembling those in crude oils were found at depths of 8.4 to 9.4 km in the Kola super-deep well, and bitumens were encountered along the whole section.

To be continued.
47 posted on 03/19/2012 4:58:02 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: aruanan

Thanks!
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48 posted on 03/19/2012 6:22:08 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: aruanan

These esteemed explorationists. Have they ever even found a barrel of the stuff or did they just sit around and use big words? There may be, for whatever reason, some Precambrian oil in Russia. But after looking at countless basement penetrations myself, I have never seen anything that would resemble COMMERCIAL hydrocarbons. There are traces of gold in my stool but that doesn’t make it an ore deposit. OK, that was a bit over the top but I am too lazy to backspace. Anyway, I think we have beaten this topic down and I am moving on to better threads, like where the Obamao’s are going on their next vacation and what Bill o’Reilly said on The View. I am staying in the Phanerozoic.


49 posted on 03/19/2012 8:08:45 PM PDT by crusty old prospector
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