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The Oil Scarcity Myth
Townhall.com ^ | March 17, 2012 | Bob Beauprez

Posted on 03/17/2012 4:13:24 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: Dusty Road

I’m reading where West Texas will be the next Bakken. Wolfberry, wolfcamp, Sprayberry all part of the Permian Basin.


21 posted on 03/17/2012 7:46:47 AM PDT by Recon Dad (Gas & Petroleum Junkie)
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To: iontheball
Oil is a naturally occurring byproduct of our molten core.

To understand it, ask a cook.

When you make a stew or make stock or meat sauce, etc., the fats rise to and pools on the surface.

Skim the fat off and eventually more rises to replace what you've skimmed away, maybe in that same spot, maybe in another.

The same is true for oil and natural gas.

Thanks to the tremendous heat (not quite as high as algore said, but HOT) and pressure, the Earth's core is like a combination pressure cooker/cosmic crock pot/galactic Dutch oven and as a result, oil and gases are constantly rising to the surface.

We have oil sands and tar pits. Oil seeps from cracks in the ocean floor and washes ashore on beaches all over the world. "Up through ground come a bubblin' crude"

As long as the core is cooking, we'll have all the oil and gas we could ever use. We'll skim off the easy finds, just like the chef skimming the fat off soup stock. And we'll have to work very hard to get to some finds, but some wells will never go dry and some of the old dry wells will begin to refill.

Until the Earth's core goes cold, we simply are not going to run out of oil and gas. To say otherwise is manipulation.

22 posted on 03/17/2012 7:51:09 AM PDT by GBA (Natural Born American)
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To: Recon Dad

Bulls eye! Your point is exactly how to refute the lies told by Obambi and someone should start running ads explaining to the public that reserves are not static.

The point needs to be made that we have no idea what percentage of the worlds oil reserves we actually have because the federal government has excluded most offshore areas of the US from exploration. I know from experience that there are some elephants still out there to be found.


23 posted on 03/17/2012 7:57:11 AM PDT by epithermal
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To: Kaslin
It is quite simple to understand.

Obama has limited powers.

He doesn't have any powers to use that would reduce the price of petroleum and gasoline.

His powers are limited to doing things that will cause the price to increase.

/s


24 posted on 03/17/2012 8:08:54 AM PDT by Iron Munro (If Repubs paid as much attention to Rush as the Dem's do, we wouldn't be in this mess)
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To: Dusty Road

“Only one problem with their theory, why is oil only found in ancient seabeds”

It isn’t ,, but the reason it is found in such areas close to the surface, is that the sedimentary rock is more porous, and allows it’s migration upwards FAR easier than the areas composed of Igneous and Metamorphic rock.

The oil in such stone is nearly at the surface (in the larger sense). But it is because the oil can travel through such stone, not because thats where it was made.


25 posted on 03/17/2012 8:32:47 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: Recon Dad

That’s just what we’ve found so far, We’ve yet to drill a horizontal but theres a couple of them being drilled nth of town, will be interesting to see how they do. It’s about triple the cost of what we’re doing now. Big difference between 2 mil and 6 mil when it comes to costs, hard to pay that off if they don’t come in big. Yep we’re in a major boom right now, the only ones not working just don’t want to.


26 posted on 03/17/2012 8:35:26 AM PDT by Dusty Road
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To: Recon Dad

That’s just what we’ve found so far, We’ve yet to drill a horizontal but theres a couple of them being drilled nth of town, will be interesting to see how they do. It’s about triple the cost of what we’re doing now. Big difference between 2 mil and 6 mil when it comes to costs, hard to pay that off if they don’t come in big. Yep we’re in a major boom right now, the only ones not working just don’t want to.


27 posted on 03/17/2012 8:35:45 AM PDT by Dusty Road
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To: DesertRhino
Sorry but I just don't buy that. Show me oil that doesn't have fossil microorganisms in it and I might.
28 posted on 03/17/2012 8:39:53 AM PDT by Dusty Road
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To: Dusty Road

“The fact that oil sample produce fossil molecules is another tell.”

Thats a contaminant which feeds on hydrocarbons. It would make as much sense to say that fish and whales are found in the ocean, proving that fish created water. Hydrocarbons can be created in the lab, by duplicating the tempurature and pressure of deep condictions. To date,, nobody has created a molecule of oil with a microorganism.

Why do you need such a convoluted answer to oil’s genesis? It’s found everywhere we seem to look in space. Carbon and Hydrogen are both the top four existing elements, and they READILY form compounds whenever they can. So why would it seem so weird that our planet is loaded with them?


29 posted on 03/17/2012 8:44:37 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: GBA
...I'd like to see us ban the import of oil and mandate that we only use what we have here....

THAT is an idea worth pursuing. Demonrats would have to buy into it since it fits so nicely with their limited supply mantra. This is a Palin position if I ever heard one.

30 posted on 03/17/2012 8:46:09 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (The day liberals grow up is the day tyranny ends.)
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To: Dusty Road

“The capital fact to note is that petroleum was born in the depths of the earth, and it is only there that we must seek its origin.” (Dmitri Mendeleev, 1877)

But he wasn’t too bright,,he only came up with the periodic table and was a literal genius when it came to chemistry.


31 posted on 03/17/2012 8:47:54 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: Dusty Road

I could just as easily ask you to show me some groundwater in which not a single microorganism is found. The fact is that our crust is utterly loaded with microorganisms, and everything in it,,,including petroleum will have them. But it almost never means they created the medium in which they are found.

And you do realize,, at some point for your theory to make sense, you have to do more tan find microorganisms in the oil? You have to demonstrate, via provable repeatable chemistry, HOW they do it. You are drawing the exact backwards conclusion.


32 posted on 03/17/2012 8:58:35 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: DesertRhino

Also, you might look at something else. We already have microorganisms that eat oil,, that are used in cleaning up spills. This fits neatly with the theory that the microorganisms are hungry contaminants, not the creators of oil.
So what specific microrganism demonstratably creates oil?


33 posted on 03/17/2012 9:04:41 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: DesertRhino
Here is a great read,very eye opening.

The Deep Hot Biosphere

34 posted on 03/17/2012 9:40:24 AM PDT by sand88 (Nothing on this Earth would get me to vote for Mitt.)
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To: abclily

You have asked good questions, I wish I had a good answer.

For the life of me I cannot understand how a man/woman goes to Congress and leaves their integrity, patriotism, and common sense behind to do what a political party tells them to do. No matter how I try I cannot believe that all human beings who register as Democrats can go along with this Muslim 100% of the time.It looks like 1(one) sane human being in the Democrat Congress could have peeked at this Obamacare mess and said, this things sucks, it is unConstitutional ,and I will not sell my soul for this useless bag of Golf playing Muslim trash we have as a leader.

Were they hypnotised, threatened, frightened, bribed,deaf, dumb, and blind?

There is no way 100% of Democrats could have loved that bill.


35 posted on 03/17/2012 11:45:07 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: DesertRhino

Sorry but you’ll not draw me into an argument, I’ve been in the business for over 40 year’s and you’ll not change my opinion.


36 posted on 03/17/2012 1:53:36 PM PDT by Dusty Road
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To: Iron Munro
It is quite simple to understand.

Obama has limited powers.

He doesn't have any powers to use that would reduce the price of petroleum and gasoline.

His powers are limited to doing things that will cause the price to increase.

Might want to rethink that

Executive Order: National Defense Resources Preparedness

37 posted on 03/17/2012 5:38:20 PM PDT by mountn man (Happiness is not a destination, its a way of life.)
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To: Dusty Road

Nobody is putting any “energy” into exploring this but it occurred to me years ago that oil might actually be a “renewable” resource. I saw an article on North Carolina trawlers bringing up chunks of solid methane. The stuff occurs naturally at depth under pressure. These are the same areas that get subducted globally. Hmmm. Pure CH4 under heat and pressure 10s of thousands of feet below the earth’s surface. If we can do the Fischer Tropsch in a lab why can’t the eareth itself do the same thing. Making aliphatic long carbon chains from methane.

This is not PC science. Global warming is.


38 posted on 03/18/2012 2:14:30 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: mountn man
Might want to rethink that

Did you miss the /s on the last line?


39 posted on 03/18/2012 7:39:44 AM PDT by Iron Munro (If Repubs paid as much attention to Rush as the Dem's do, we wouldn't be in this mess)
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To: Dusty Road; iontheball; Brilliant
Here's an excerpt from one of those Kropotkin papers I was able to get online through my connection to the school:

KOUDRYAVTSEV

N. A. Koudryavtsev revived Mendeleyev's hypothesis on a modern basis. In 1959 his monograph Oil, Gas and Solid Bitumens in Volcanic and Metamorphic Rocks was published in Leningrad; 1963 saw the publication of his mongrah Deep Crustal Faults and Oil Fields, and in 1973 his basic work appeared under the title Genesis of Oil and Gas. It summed up all the most important data that confirmed the inorganic origin of hydrocarbons known at the time.

In this work a very important empirical generalization was formulated whic is now known as "Koudryavtsev's rule." This rule is formulated as follows: "The most important of regularities that are observed in all oil-bearing areas, without exception, is that if oil or gas are present in one horizon, they will be present also at all lower levels, at least as traces of migration through the cracks." This statement is valid, whatever the composition of the rocks, the condition of their formation, ) both metamorphic and crystalline rocks), and the content of organic matter in them. "At those levels at which there are good collectors and traps, accumulations of industrial interest may occur." (7, p 140)

In the following twenty years Koudryavtsev's rule was confirmed without any exceptions in all oil fields which had been drilled to a sufficient depth. The most convincing examples are those where gas-saturated waters and oil fields are found at the lowermost layers of the sedimentary cover, directly situation on the crystalline basement. In such locations there would be no place for any so-called "source rocks" of oil between the lowermost sedimentary levels and the basement. The only source of hydrocarbons may be the cracks, the channels of outgassing from even greater depths. The presence of fluids, probably with admixtures of free hydrogen and hydrocarbons, in the middle and lower part of the continental crust and in the mantle at depths of 40 to 180 kilometers is suggest by the presence of layers with increased electroconductivity. These are seen in the data of magnetotelluric soundings and electrosounding using the MHD generators (1, 8).

An outstanding example confirming Koudryavtsev's rule is provided by the oil fields of the Volga-Ural region. Here the main oil fields were found in the multicolored and red colored sediments of the middle Devonian, deposited under oxidizing conditions, and this excludes any possibility that the oil was produced in that region. These oil deposits are located below the upper devonian layers which are rich in organic matter. Since oil is lighter than water and migrates only upward, this implies that the upper Devonian layers could not be the source of the oil. Some oil-rich levels in the lower part of the middle Devonian are situated almost at the surface of the crystalline basement or only a few meters from it.

Similar interrrelations have been known for a long time in the oil-containing formations of the North American platform (Kansas/Wyoming). This is in the lowermost layers of the Precambrian, where oil is situated in sandy rocks and in granites and gneisses on the surfaces of the crystalline basement. In recent decades similar facts were discovered in Russia during the survey of the fields of the Baykit anticline and the Nep-Botuob anticline on the Siberian platform. Oil and gas are seen here in correlation with deposits of the lower Cambrian and upper Proterozoic layers, i.e. with lower layers of the sedimentary blanket lying on the crystalline basement. IN the Verkhnye-Chonsk oil field oil is soaking the weathered crust of the basement and oil and gas condensate inflows are observed in the oil wells drilled into the basement (6). Similar relations are found in the USA (Illinois/Michigan), in Australia, in Oman (oil field Birba in deposits of the lower Cambrian) and in China (oil field Xinglontai and others)(12).

ln the Algerian Sahara the connection between the oil-bearing structures and meridionally oriented faults is noticeable. The oil fields are connected with deposits of Triassic, middle Carbonaceous, Devonian, Ordovician and Cambrian. (In the last one the main body of oil of the oil field Hassi-Massoud is concentrated.) Oil is encountered even deeper, up to the upper cracked part of the crystalline basement of the African platform that was reached by the drill. IN the basement rocks themselves and in in layers of the upper Paleozoic lying on it, the presence of oil is known in the fields Rurd-Bagel and Recullier, that of gas in fields Zarzaitin, In-Akamil and others.

In many cases the connection is apparent between the oil and gas fields on the one hand and structures situated above the fault lines or adjacent to grabens and rifts on the other hand. The same is noticeable in the locations of oil and gas fields in the North Sea, in the Don-Dniepter depression and in the West Siberian lowland. In the multi-layered fields where accumulations of oil are concentrated at several levels, situated one below the other, a degassing pipe is seen through which the migration of hydrocarbons appears to have taken place, reaching from the lower to the upper part of the stratigraphic section. For example the Har-yagin oil province on the edge of the Pechora basin contains 35 oil fields at levels of various ages, from middle Devonian to lower Triassic. Inside such a vertical zone the major and minor oil and gas condensate fields are encountered with abnormally high pressures in horizontal slabs as well as in "inverted cups" which represent geochemical and temperature anomalies and contain traces of the transport of hydrocarbon gases. The high pressure in the liquid an pores suggests intrusion of these fluids from depth. Apparently they penetrated from subcrustal layers of the upper mantle where there is a reducing environment. A fluid-gas phase here contains much hydrogen accompanied by methane, together with nitrogen, carbon monoxide, hydrogen sulfide and helium.

New confirmations of the theory of N.A. Koudryavtsev are shown by studies of the fluid-gas phase exuding from the ocean floor at the so-called "black smokers". and also by the discovery of methane hydrates in deposits of the continental slope crossed by faults, as well as by the presence of bitumens contained in the carbonaceous chondrite meteorites.
40 posted on 03/18/2012 6:58:25 PM PDT by aruanan
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