Skip to comments.Homeland Security moves forward with 'pre-crime' detection (Big Government™ is watching you)
Posted on 10/07/2011 8:18:33 PM PDT by rabscuttle385
An internal U.S. Department of Homeland Security document indicates that a controversial program designed to predict whether a person will commit a crime is already being tested on some members of the public voluntarily, CNET has learned.
If this sounds a bit like the Tom Cruise movie called "Minority Report," or the CBS drama "Person of Interest," it is. But where "Minority Report" author Philip K. Dick enlisted psychics to predict crimes, DHS is betting on algorithms: it's building a "prototype screening facility" that it hopes will use factors such as ethnicity, gender, breathing, and heart rate to "detect cues indicative of mal-intent."
The latest developments, which reveal efforts to "collect, process, or retain information on" members of "the public," came to light through an internal DHS document obtained under open-government laws by the Electronic Privacy Information Center. DHS calls its "pre-crime" system Future Attribute Screening Technology, or FAST.
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It’s a brave new world.
God help us!
My respiration and heart rate are part of my medical information, and are therefore covered by HIPPA.
i began to write a story about this some years ago, but never finished it. the premise was that they came looking for you when you did something that was an “outlier” according to your profile.
Sounds kinda racist to me. Kinda like profiling too.
And America will bend over and take it.
I wonder if we can make a FOIA request for the algorithms and input/weighting factors used? I would love to know how this works. I’d be willing to bet a couple months pay that firearms ownership, being straight, non-minority, employed, and anything but a registered democrat weighs against you and makes you a suspect...of their brave new socialist paradise...
“Hate crimes” - criminalizing thought - opened the door for this.
Bill Ayers could be carrying a bomb and his heart rate wouldn't go up - he's a liberal - and DHS doesn't care about getting a liberal any more than Larry Flynt cares about getting a liberal...
Of course there will be exceptions for terrorists and other “victims”.
What Nation is this anymore?
When President Bush announced the creation of a DEpartment of Homeland Security I was incensed and fearful for the future of freedom.
Sometimes you just hate to be correct.
Sounds like profiling. They SHOULD be taking ethnicity, etc. etc. into account.
This is profiling plain and simple!
ethnic profiling, gender profiling, breathing profiling, and RATEism.
Well, the first place this should be used is on every single person in the Red House inner circle, the czars, the various secretaries and department heads with the. Obummer and Eric Holder should be the first.
Then put one on each member of congress.
I’m always in a pre-crime state of mind.
I don’t think it’s the DHS that’s the problem. There’s a lot about that reorganization of agencies that made a lot of sense. Getting the Coast Guard out of Transportation was good. Putting customs and immigration under the same roof was good. Some other reorgs too.
I’ve never cared much for the name, though. Maybe we can fix that.
Don't get me wrong: I don't approve of this "algorithm / database" OR this: Supremes Deciding How Close Government Can Watch You.
Stuffed shirt bureaucrats, flush with taxpayer dollars, are going to buy as many toys as they can, assemble them into a big white elephant, and then they’ll pretend they’re doing something useful —nay, something critical to national security— with it. Later, when it becomes clear that it is worthless, it will be dismantled and the HSA will find something else to lobby for. Lather, rinse, repeat.
Pre-crime: white, christian, conservative, gun-owner, talk radio listener, fox news viewer...
“Pre-crime: white, christian, conservative, gun-owner, talk radio listener, fox news viewer...”
Arrest and reeducate.
If Reeducation fails, terminate.
Somehow I suspect that the algorithm will be simplified to focus only on party affiliation.
I wonder what, precisely, is the ethnicity of ill intent?
Profiling gone wild.
"Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!"
They are figuring in ethnicity eh? So it’s a race-based algorithm?
That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government
the same dhs that views returning veterans, limited-government proponents, metal=based currency proponents as potential threats, etc.
This stuff is going to be looked at in 20 years as the foundations of the legal mechanisms of a police state.
What Nation is this anymore?<<<<<<
We’re not in Kansas anymore Toto. It’s only going to become more curiouser and curiouser.
lets try it out on Congress and the President and future candidates first as a test run..we know most of them will end up being crooks or are already....
PC -> reality translation: "Old white guys = terrorists!"
Boarding Log, 14 Nov 2011-13:22.11
Subject SL2011AS.21011.14040.2111-303081 Destination: Atlanta. Subject: white, veteran, family. Confirmed. No current wants/warrants. No currant expected HS:B14S activities. Confirmed. Screening: carried no apparent contraband. Carry on consists of: small leather bag, contents: hair brush, new/clean, paperback book, title: Domestic Enemies author: Matt Bracken; razor, electric, Norelco; Electronic scan revealed: stature: tall; distinguishing characteristics, none; Operator note: large testicles. Subject is approved for boarding at this time. All data \\HSAFA database reference:subject_num. Confirmed. Records cross-checked prior to boarding. Confirmed. TSAgent SLHS1301 note: request post flight observation. Confirmed.
End Boarding Log, 14 Nov 2011-13:23.24
? Why do you say “nonsense”
And yet the feds assured us that all that Able Danger business was nonsense.
wait, I thought profiling in anyway was...BAD!
At least according to the Obammie Admin.
You will assimilate...resistance is futile.
That’s Profiling... Thought the government would not tolerate it?
If we had a real opposition party, then the Republican party would expose this. Their silence speaks volumes of how they feel about this.
a preliminary survey by DHS concluded that owners of firearms, and those who posess bibles are far more dangerous than other members of society
Don’t tell me; To stop those Right wing militias that Bozo Napolitano says are the biggest threat to the US or to translate; Biggest obstacle to turning the US Commie.
Make no mistake & think that the Republicans would refuse to use this system . They would have a hard on just like the Democrats .
His Satanic Majesty, 0bama of Mordor, a Son of Perdition!
If they go by breathing and heart rates, any person that does hard labor will be in trouble.
My Resperation and heart rates goes up every time I think about Bacon Cheeseburgers or Shania Twain.
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