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Homeland Security moves forward with 'pre-crime' detection (Big Government™ is watching you)
CNET ^ | 2011-10-07 | Declan McCullagh

Posted on 10/07/2011 8:18:33 PM PDT by rabscuttle385

An internal U.S. Department of Homeland Security document indicates that a controversial program designed to predict whether a person will commit a crime is already being tested on some members of the public voluntarily, CNET has learned.

If this sounds a bit like the Tom Cruise movie called "Minority Report," or the CBS drama "Person of Interest," it is. But where "Minority Report" author Philip K. Dick enlisted psychics to predict crimes, DHS is betting on algorithms: it's building a "prototype screening facility" that it hopes will use factors such as ethnicity, gender, breathing, and heart rate to "detect cues indicative of mal-intent."

The latest developments, which reveal efforts to "collect, process, or retain information on" members of "the public," came to light through an internal DHS document obtained under open-government laws by the Electronic Privacy Information Center. DHS calls its "pre-crime" system Future Attribute Screening Technology, or FAST.

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1 posted on 10/07/2011 8:18:41 PM PDT by rabscuttle385
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To: rabscuttle385

IB4TP!


2 posted on 10/07/2011 8:22:59 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: rabscuttle385

Nonsense..


3 posted on 10/07/2011 8:24:52 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: rabscuttle385

It’s a brave new world.


4 posted on 10/07/2011 8:26:07 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (The democratic party is the greatest cargo cult in history.)
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To: Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; albertp; Alexander Rubin; Allosaurs_r_us; amchugh; ...
...a "prototype screening facility" that [Obama] hopes will use factors such as ethnicity, gender, breathing, and heart rate to "detect cues indicative of mal-intent"...efforts to "collect, process, or retain information on" members of "the public"...

Libertarian ping! Click here to get added or here to be removed or post a message here!

5 posted on 10/07/2011 8:26:07 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: rabscuttle385

God help us!


6 posted on 10/07/2011 8:26:36 PM PDT by basil (It's time to rid the country of "gun free zones" aka "Killing Fields")
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To: rabscuttle385
breathing, and heart rate

My respiration and heart rate are part of my medical information, and are therefore covered by HIPPA.

FUBO

7 posted on 10/07/2011 8:29:06 PM PDT by Semper911 (When you want to rob Peter to pay Paul, you'll always have the support of Paul.)
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To: rabscuttle385

i began to write a story about this some years ago, but never finished it. the premise was that they came looking for you when you did something that was an “outlier” according to your profile.


8 posted on 10/07/2011 8:35:39 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (...then they came for the guitars, and we kicked their sorry faggot asses into the dust)
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To: rabscuttle385
it's building a "prototype screening facility" that it hopes will use factors such as ethnicity, gender, breathing,..........

Sounds kinda racist to me. Kinda like profiling too.

9 posted on 10/07/2011 8:35:50 PM PDT by umgud
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To: rabscuttle385

And America will bend over and take it.


10 posted on 10/07/2011 8:35:54 PM PDT by wastedyears (Attaaack Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaatch)
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To: rabscuttle385
Just wait until they merge it with whatever is left of the Information Awareness Office.
11 posted on 10/07/2011 8:37:16 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: rabscuttle385

I wonder if we can make a FOIA request for the algorithms and input/weighting factors used? I would love to know how this works. I’d be willing to bet a couple months pay that firearms ownership, being straight, non-minority, employed, and anything but a registered democrat weighs against you and makes you a suspect...of their brave new socialist paradise...


12 posted on 10/07/2011 8:39:50 PM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: rabscuttle385

“Hate crimes” - criminalizing thought - opened the door for this.


13 posted on 10/07/2011 8:40:37 PM PDT by expat1000
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To: rabscuttle385
DHS is betting on algorithms: it's building a "prototype screening facility" that it hopes will use factors such as ethnicity, gender, breathing, and heart rate to "detect cues indicative of mal-intent."

Bill Ayers could be carrying a bomb and his heart rate wouldn't go up - he's a liberal - and DHS doesn't care about getting a liberal any more than Larry Flynt cares about getting a liberal...

14 posted on 10/07/2011 8:42:19 PM PDT by GOPJ (Where is the headline that says: Obama Murders Hundreds of Mexicans! - freeper xzins)
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To: rabscuttle385

Of course there will be exceptions for terrorists and other “victims”.


15 posted on 10/07/2011 8:44:18 PM PDT by Redcitizen (Transmute lead into gold-- buy ammunition.)
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To: rabscuttle385

What Nation is this anymore?


16 posted on 10/07/2011 8:50:13 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: rabscuttle385

When President Bush announced the creation of a DEpartment of Homeland Security I was incensed and fearful for the future of freedom.

Sometimes you just hate to be correct.


17 posted on 10/07/2011 8:51:04 PM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: All

Sounds like profiling. They SHOULD be taking ethnicity, etc. etc. into account.


18 posted on 10/07/2011 8:55:54 PM PDT by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many conservative Christians my age out there? __ Click my name)
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To: rabscuttle385
ethnicity, gender, breathing, and heart rate

This is profiling plain and simple!

ethnic profiling, gender profiling, breathing profiling, and RATEism.

19 posted on 10/07/2011 8:58:03 PM PDT by C210N
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To: rabscuttle385

Well, the first place this should be used is on every single person in the Red House inner circle, the czars, the various secretaries and department heads with the. Obummer and Eric Holder should be the first.

Then put one on each member of congress.


20 posted on 10/07/2011 8:59:30 PM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: rabscuttle385

I’m always in a pre-crime state of mind.


21 posted on 10/07/2011 9:00:42 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture (Could be worst in 40 years))
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To: hoosierham

I don’t think it’s the DHS that’s the problem. There’s a lot about that reorganization of agencies that made a lot of sense. Getting the Coast Guard out of Transportation was good. Putting customs and immigration under the same roof was good. Some other reorgs too.

I’ve never cared much for the name, though. Maybe we can fix that.


22 posted on 10/07/2011 9:05:39 PM PDT by Ramius (personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: rabscuttle385
Maybe they could test the technology on TSA goons to weed out the ones who steal valuables from luggage.
23 posted on 10/07/2011 9:06:12 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them." --Ronald Reagan)
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To: rabscuttle385
Will this "algorithm" include racial and ethnic profiling? If not, it is useless and worthless. -- just like TSA's selective "grope&grab" at airports.

Don't get me wrong: I don't approve of this "algorithm / database" OR this: Supremes Deciding How Close Government Can Watch You.

24 posted on 10/07/2011 9:06:57 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: rabscuttle385

Stuffed shirt bureaucrats, flush with taxpayer dollars, are going to buy as many toys as they can, assemble them into a big white elephant, and then they’ll pretend they’re doing something useful —nay, something critical to national security— with it. Later, when it becomes clear that it is worthless, it will be dismantled and the HSA will find something else to lobby for. Lather, rinse, repeat.


25 posted on 10/07/2011 9:07:10 PM PDT by yup2394871293
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To: rabscuttle385

Pre-crime: white, christian, conservative, gun-owner, talk radio listener, fox news viewer...


26 posted on 10/07/2011 9:13:24 PM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: DTogo

“Pre-crime: white, christian, conservative, gun-owner, talk radio listener, fox news viewer...”

Arrest and reeducate.
If Reeducation fails, terminate.


27 posted on 10/07/2011 9:19:24 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: rabscuttle385

Somehow I suspect that the algorithm will be simplified to focus only on party affiliation.


28 posted on 10/07/2011 9:26:27 PM PDT by MtnClimber (Obama unemployment equals dependence on government.)
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To: DTogo
"white, christian, conservative, gunowner, talk radio listener, fox news viewer.."

acquiescent.


29 posted on 10/07/2011 9:27:42 PM PDT by I see my hands (Keep your sunny side up!)
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To: rabscuttle385

I wonder what, precisely, is the ethnicity of ill intent?
Profiling gone wild.


30 posted on 10/07/2011 9:41:15 PM PDT by ntnychik
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To: umgud
"... use factors such as ethnicity, gender, breathing..."

Yeah. White...male...conservative...breathing...

31 posted on 10/07/2011 9:43:15 PM PDT by rlmorel (9/11: Aggression is attracted to weakness like sharks are to blood, and we were weak. We still are.)
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To: tcrlaf
Arrest and reeducate. If Reeducation fails, terminate.

"Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace — but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!"

32 posted on 10/07/2011 9:45:27 PM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: rabscuttle385

They are figuring in ethnicity eh? So it’s a race-based algorithm?


33 posted on 10/07/2011 9:50:09 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: rabscuttle385

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government


34 posted on 10/07/2011 10:17:08 PM PDT by Drill Thrawl (0 - 537 They ALL must go.)
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To: rabscuttle385

the same dhs that views returning veterans, limited-government proponents, metal=based currency proponents as potential threats, etc.

This stuff is going to be looked at in 20 years as the foundations of the legal mechanisms of a police state.


35 posted on 10/07/2011 10:18:33 PM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: RIghtwardHo

What Nation is this anymore?<<<<<<

We’re not in Kansas anymore Toto. It’s only going to become more curiouser and curiouser.


36 posted on 10/07/2011 10:23:02 PM PDT by 3boysdad (The very elect.)
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To: rabscuttle385

lets try it out on Congress and the President and future candidates first as a test run..we know most of them will end up being crooks or are already....


37 posted on 10/07/2011 10:23:12 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: rabscuttle385
DHS is betting on algorithms: it's building a "prototype screening facility" that it hopes will use factors such as ethnicity, gender, breathing, and heart rate to "detect cues indicative of mal-intent."

PC -> reality translation: "Old white guys = terrorists!"

38 posted on 10/07/2011 10:26:47 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: I see my hands

Boarding Log, 14 Nov 2011-13:22.11

Subject SL2011AS.21011.14040.2111-303081 Destination: Atlanta. Subject: white, veteran, family. Confirmed. No current wants/warrants. No currant expected HS:B14S activities. Confirmed. Screening: carried no apparent contraband. Carry on consists of: small leather bag, contents: hair brush, new/clean, paperback book, title: Domestic Enemies author: Matt Bracken; razor, electric, Norelco; Electronic scan revealed: stature: tall; distinguishing characteristics, none; Operator note: large testicles. Subject is approved for boarding at this time. All data \\HSAFA database reference:subject_num. Confirmed. Records cross-checked prior to boarding. Confirmed. TSAgent SLHS1301 note: request post flight observation. Confirmed.

End Boarding Log, 14 Nov 2011-13:23.24


39 posted on 10/07/2011 10:33:59 PM PDT by glock rocks (Wait, what?)
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To: SECURE AMERICA

? Why do you say “nonsense”


40 posted on 10/07/2011 10:36:12 PM PDT by bushwon ("If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait till it is free"--PJ O'rourke)
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To: rabscuttle385

And yet the feds assured us that all that Able Danger business was nonsense.


41 posted on 10/07/2011 10:41:41 PM PDT by denydenydeny (The moment you step into a world of facts, you step into a world of limits. --Chesterton)
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To: rabscuttle385

wait, I thought profiling in anyway was...BAD!

At least according to the Obammie Admin.


42 posted on 10/07/2011 10:51:27 PM PDT by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: Drill Thrawl

You will assimilate...resistance is futile.


43 posted on 10/07/2011 11:02:12 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: rabscuttle385

That’s Profiling... Thought the government would not tolerate it?

If we had a real opposition party, then the Republican party would expose this. Their silence speaks volumes of how they feel about this.


44 posted on 10/07/2011 11:04:22 PM PDT by Sprite518
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To: rabscuttle385

a preliminary survey by DHS concluded that owners of firearms, and those who posess bibles are far more dangerous than other members of society


45 posted on 10/07/2011 11:13:17 PM PDT by KTM rider ( with citizenship you get indentured servitude)
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To: rabscuttle385

Don’t tell me; To stop those Right wing militias that Bozo Napolitano says are the biggest threat to the US or to translate; Biggest obstacle to turning the US Commie.


46 posted on 10/07/2011 11:15:17 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Mark Halperin - Learned the hard way what happens when you speak the truth on PMSNBC.)
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To: rabscuttle385; All

Make no mistake & think that the Republicans would refuse to use this system . They would have a hard on just like the Democrats .


47 posted on 10/08/2011 12:46:50 AM PDT by Nebr FAL owner (.308 reach out & thump someone .50 cal.Browning Machine gun reach out & crush someone)
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To: rabscuttle385

http://l.yimg.com/eb/ymv/us/img/hv/allposters/83/1807592183p.jpg


48 posted on 10/08/2011 1:05:52 AM PDT by tanuki (O-voters: wanted Uberman, got Underdog....)
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To: rabscuttle385

His Satanic Majesty, 0bama of Mordor, a Son of Perdition!


49 posted on 10/08/2011 1:21:27 AM PDT by SmithW6079
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To: Semper911

If they go by breathing and heart rates, any person that does hard labor will be in trouble.
My Resperation and heart rates goes up every time I think about Bacon Cheeseburgers or Shania Twain.


50 posted on 10/08/2011 1:37:29 AM PDT by Yorlik803 (better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
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