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Homeland Security moves forward with 'pre-crime' detection (Big Government™ is watching you)
CNET ^ | 2011-10-07 | Declan McCullagh

Posted on 10/07/2011 8:18:33 PM PDT by rabscuttle385

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To: ThunderSleeps
This article is a bit misleading.

FAST is a technology demonstrator for a screening system for large public events or secure areas. The Future portion of FAST stands for the inclusion of evolving technologies, not predicting future crimes. DHS paid for the development of a mobile trailer that can be easily modified to include different types of screening equipment. For people concerned about the health and privacy concerns of backscatter X-ray machines this should be a good thing.

This technology could still only be used for events that require submitting one self for security screening. Putting it on the street and forcing the public to walk through it would still be a Fourth Amendment violation.

51 posted on 10/08/2011 2:21:47 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Yorlik803

“... my respiration and heart rate goes up every time I think about Bacon Cheeseburgers or Shania Twain”.

What happens to you if you think about Shania Twain eating a bacon cheeseburger?! LOL!!


53 posted on 10/08/2011 3:04:25 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: rabscuttle385

@AttackWatch.


54 posted on 10/08/2011 3:12:22 AM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: SECURE AMERICA

Part of the criminal profile is a “profile” on FR.


55 posted on 10/08/2011 3:41:10 AM PDT by Shady (The undeniable truth of the Obama Administration...The numbers do not lie.)
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To: Shady

I just bet the government has psychologists working on this. Shouldn’t they be losing their licenses because of the ethics questions? It is similar to the doctors in the concentration camps doing human “experimentation”.


56 posted on 10/08/2011 4:21:39 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: Ramius
I’ve never cared much for the name, though. Maybe we can fix that.

How about "Abteilung der Heimatssicherheit"?

And the TSA becomes "Transport-Sicherheitsverwaltung"

NOW we're goose-steppin'!!!
57 posted on 10/08/2011 4:24:22 AM PDT by mkjessup (If you're not part of the solution to getting rid of 0bama, you're part of the problem.)
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To: rabscuttle385

Heck...anybody that has donated to Palin is automatically a subversive....that money belongs to the Borg...


58 posted on 10/08/2011 4:24:41 AM PDT by mo
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To: C210N

Odd how the Liberals decried “profiling” to catch the bad guy AFTER a crime has been committed, but don’t seem to have a problem with this explicit profiling BEFORE the crime is committed.


59 posted on 10/08/2011 4:32:38 AM PDT by Teacher317 (really?)
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To: rabscuttle385
It actually sounds like the same principals being used by the Israelis in their airport security screening. There, they use trained screeners that briefly interview each passenger and are trained to pick up on cues from their answers and body language that indicate they're likely up to no good.

This sounds like they're trying to develop technology to duplicate that and be idiot proof enough to be used by the politically-correct affirmative action hire union drone that's become the standard for government employees.

60 posted on 10/08/2011 4:45:35 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: Semper911

Not covered by HPPA for long...Fed new “rule’ by HHS to mandate all medical records available to the Feds.


61 posted on 10/08/2011 4:50:37 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Rick Perry 2012)
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To: ThunderSleeps
City of Chicago high schools for decades had successful rifle teams. These kids practiced on .22s and later on .17s which they handled regularly. Someone hit Daley with this after researching the fact that in the decades of the program, no student ever used a gun in a crime.

An angry and embarrassed Daley canceled the program. It's not about safety, but control. Same thing with this program.

62 posted on 10/08/2011 4:54:20 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: rabscuttle385

The Spirit of ‘76 goes out with a whimper.....

No one will do much about this but complain. We are, after all, 300 million plus, more concerned with who will win American Idol, black Friday bargains, and Lovin’ It at Mickey Dees.

Patrick Henry, Sam Adams, and Paul Revere would all be in prison today....


63 posted on 10/08/2011 5:16:49 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: wastedyears
And America will bend over and take it.

Exactly! Anyone that willfully allows their rights to be abused by participating in airline travel is just telling gubmint: "You win, you can do whatever you want to me, I have no inherent natural rights." That is why they can get away with it, and see it as a sign of further submission that leads to obscene garbage like this.

While I can give a pass to anyone forced to travel by airline for their business, I am extremely disappointed to see my fellow citizens willingly submit to extreme gubmint abuse on a daily basis, at this point with question it seems. I guess we'll all watch for the next line in the sand, until they cross it with impunity, and then the next line will be drawn.

All of this crap at the airports could have been nipped in the bud if enough people would have simply refused to use the airlines. But no, it is more important for people to fly to Disney World rather than stand up for their natural rights. (Maybe too many of our citizens have been dumbed down to the point that they don't even understand what their rights are?)

/end_rant

64 posted on 10/08/2011 5:39:01 AM PDT by zzeeman ("We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality.")
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To: zzeeman

with = without


65 posted on 10/08/2011 5:46:40 AM PDT by zzeeman ("We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality.")
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To: zzeeman
>> Disney World rather than stand up for their natural >> rights. (Maybe too many of our citizens have been dumbed >> down to the point that they don't even understand what >> their rights are?) Our Country, as we knew it, is going, going, gone. The culture war was not fought (when and where it could have been) and lost decades ago. Get used to the "victor's justice". There will be more of it. The majority will acquiesce to the new reality as they always do. The remaining will complain, the most active will be marginalized and silenced. Our Nation is already too far removed from its root culturally and demographically to reverse the trends. Even if we "win" in 2012, the best we can hope for is 4 or 8 years of someone like GWB. It will merely slow our own decay. Its already all too apparent. I'd love to be wrong about everything I've said.
66 posted on 10/08/2011 5:54:45 AM PDT by JadeEmperor
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To: WoofDog123
"the same dhs that views returning veterans, limited-government proponents, metal=based currency proponents as potential threats, etc."

. . . plus home schoolers, unregistered churches (especially house churches), along with many fundamental, Bible-adherent churches, people who pioneer their homestead (meaning people who don't take out mortgages, but buy a lot with cash or private contract and might take a couple of years to build their own house with cash while living in a 1970 18 foot house trailer); etc.

. . . basically, people who try to stay out of the system as much as possible. As Obamacare evidences, no longer can government stand that individuals not be tagged and made systemic components.

67 posted on 10/08/2011 5:59:48 AM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: JadeEmperor
I'd love to be wrong about everything I've said.

I'd love for you to be wrong as well; sadly, I don't think that is the case.

68 posted on 10/08/2011 6:01:01 AM PDT by zzeeman ("We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality.")
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To: rabscuttle385

We’ve always been bitching that they don’t profile, now we’re bitching that they do?


69 posted on 10/08/2011 6:06:14 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: rabscuttle385
will use factors such as ethnicity, gender, breathing, and heart rate to "detect cues indicative of mal-intent."

Hey, Aqualung!     No, seriously, if they ever let on as to what those factors might be - oh, say young, male, urban, and maybe Amish - the howl from the left will be heard for parsecs.

70 posted on 10/08/2011 6:07:49 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (So much stress was put on Bush's Fault that it finally let go, magnitude 6)
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To: rabscuttle385

wow! Minority report for sure!!!!


71 posted on 10/08/2011 6:23:36 AM PDT by tutstar
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To: rabscuttle385

‘If this sounds a bit like the Tom Cruise movie called “Minority Report,” or the CBS drama “Person of Interest,” it is.’

Actually, it sounds a great deal more like George Orwell’s 1984 - but, then, it’s clear that that’s where the government of the United States is headed, so it’s not surprising.

Some largely obsolete phrases come to mind, like “secure in persons and property” and something about warrantless searches, but, hey, we all know that the Constitution of the United States doesn’t mean anything anymore.


72 posted on 10/08/2011 6:24:21 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: mvpel
>> We’ve always been bitching that they don’t profile, now >> we’re bitching that they do? From years on this forum I do get the impression that to many freepers "the end justifies the means", i.e. they would not mind to have the totalitarian tools to set boundaries for those they do not agree with, to bend and subdue them to their will and socially engineer "conservatism" through giving to a large and overbearing government large and overbearing police powers. They then hypocritically decry when those same tools will be used against them. But hey, a tool is just a tool. A tool to those who wield it. You get what you asked for, not what you wanted. We inherited a Republic and a limited government, but squandered our inheritance. Now its time to ride the pony.
73 posted on 10/08/2011 6:31:06 AM PDT by JadeEmperor
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To: rabscuttle385

As soon as the demographic statistics are tabulated on those “most likely to commit a crime”, the program will be dropped as “Racist”.


74 posted on 10/08/2011 6:31:54 AM PDT by left that other site (Psalm 122:6)
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To: JadeEmperor

BTTT


75 posted on 10/08/2011 6:38:25 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: rabscuttle385

THE LIVES OF OTHERS

 
1984, East Berlin, Glasnost is nowhere in sight. The population is kept under strict control by the Stasi, the East German Secret Police....

76 posted on 10/08/2011 6:46:45 AM PDT by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: 1010RD
It's not about safety, but control. Same thing with this program.

You're absolutely right there. Most things these allegedly well-intentioned {expletives} force on us or try to force on us couched in "safety" terms are not. They are, as you say, about control.

I grew up eating raw cookie dough, riding around in the back of a station wagon not even in a seat, said car had no airbags, no 5mph bumpers, had a V-8 and could go well over 100 (don't ask how I *know* this), no cell phones, running all over the neighborhood playing sports with friends in yards - no carefully groomed and padded play areas. We built tree-houses, we camped out without adult supervision, we learned to shoot real rifles, we hunted, rode ridiculously fast off-road bikes... and yes, a few of us took a few trips to the ER for a broken this, lacerated that. We survived, we look back on the scars and memories and smile. Are our kids these days really making memories?

77 posted on 10/08/2011 7:47:47 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: LucyT; BP2; rxsid; null and void; Candor7

ping

Minority Report becoming reality


78 posted on 10/08/2011 10:46:06 AM PDT by tutstar
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To: Nightshift

gnip


79 posted on 10/08/2011 10:46:56 AM PDT by tutstar
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To: rabscuttle385

Video of the device in action:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41jdsgLH3bQ


80 posted on 10/08/2011 11:47:31 AM PDT by gaijin
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To: Ramius
Putting customs and immigration under the same roof was good.

It was a horrible idea IMO. When INS and USC were separate there were many people in each organizastion that were experts in their respective fields. Now you have a massive organization full of people that have little to no job expertise.

81 posted on 10/08/2011 1:03:33 PM PDT by Ajnin (Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnocet!)
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