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Christie: Climate change is real
Politico ^ | 8/19/11 | MAGGIE HABERMAN

Posted on 08/20/2011 6:50:40 AM PDT by Libloather

Christie: Climate change is real
By MAGGIE HABERMAN | 8/19/11 9:57 PM EDT

Chris Christie made clear he falls in the Jon Huntsman camp as opposed to the Rick Perry camp on the scientific-political issue of the week in the Republican primary:

In vetoing a bill (S2946) that would have required New Jersey to stay in a regional program intended to curb greenhouse gases — a program Christie plans to leave by the end of the year — the governor said "climate change is real."
He added that "human activity plays a role in these changes" and that climate change is "impacting our state."

**SNIP**

Christie's come full circle on the issue. Last year, he told a town hall audience in Toms River he was skeptical climate change is the result of human activity. He backed off those comments at a conference of environmentalists in May and agreed to meet with climate scientists for a lesson in global warming.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: agw; christie; climatechange; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; nj; rino; traitor
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1 posted on 08/20/2011 6:50:43 AM PDT by Libloather
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To: Libloather

As potential presidential candidates go, he makes an excellent governor of New Jersey.


2 posted on 08/20/2011 6:53:20 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks; stephenjohnbanker; mkjessup; BufordP; sickoflibs; LMAO; roamer_1; ...

3 posted on 08/20/2011 6:53:54 AM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: Libloather

and another flavor of the week falls as his conservative credentials, or lack thereof, surface.

NO MORE RINOS!!
Stay in New Jersey please.


4 posted on 08/20/2011 6:55:04 AM PDT by sillsfan (Reagan and Sarah are right- WE win, they lose!)
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To: Libloather

somebody tell Ann Coulter.


5 posted on 08/20/2011 6:55:27 AM PDT by Piers-the-Ploughman (Just say no to circular firing squads.)
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To: Libloather

Christie: Climate change is real

Prove it, you idiot.


6 posted on 08/20/2011 6:58:28 AM PDT by Common Sense 101 (Hey libs... If your theories fly in the face of reality, it's not reality that's wrong.)
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To: Common Sense 101
Prove it, you idiot.

We don't need proof, we have "consensus."

7 posted on 08/20/2011 7:01:06 AM PDT by JaguarXKE
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To: Libloather

He ain’t running for sure now.


8 posted on 08/20/2011 7:02:28 AM PDT by Happy Rain ("11/4/2008: The day America elected a pyromaniac in the middle of a fire storm.")
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To: Libloather

We are in an Inter-Glacial period.

Has it warmed up over the last 10,000 years? Yes.

Was it caused by man? No.


9 posted on 08/20/2011 7:02:28 AM PDT by Mikey_1962 (Obama: The Affirmative Action President.)
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To: Libloather

Wow... Sometimes when you see what comes out of a candidate’s (or potential candidate’s) vetting, you may not agree with totally everything they’ve done, or you may not think she or he took the best route on a particular issue, but this is just over the top. If it is true that Chris Christie is a global warming loon, then he should not be on any part (ANY part) of a Republican presidential ticket what-so-ever.


10 posted on 08/20/2011 7:02:58 AM PDT by casinva (If Rick Santorum kisses Romney while charging after Perry, I want my nice words about him back.)
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To: Libloather

Climate change IS real - and has been happening cyclically since the dawn of time.

The issue is: Can humans cause it? Can humans make it better? Or worse?

The answer to that is a resounding “Hell no!” - if Christie believes otherwise, then he’s on the nutty scale right out there with Ron Paul and squirrel dung at a Planter’s factory.


11 posted on 08/20/2011 7:03:05 AM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Hope & Change - I'm out of hope, and change is all I have left every week | FR Class of 1998 |)
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To: Libloather

I know he was everyone’s superstar, but something about him gives me the creeps. Seriously! Not looks, or weight, and totally unscientific opinion here... but my gut feeling has always been irked with him.


12 posted on 08/20/2011 7:04:08 AM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the chariot wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: Libloather
In vetoing a bill (S2946) that would have required New Jersey to stay in a regional program intended to curb greenhouse gases — a program Christie plans to leave by the end of the year — the governor said "climate change is real." He added that "human activity plays a role in these changes" and that climate change is "impacting our state."

Climate change is real. It has been going on since the beginning of time. But the assertion that human activity is playing a role in climate change is nonsense.

People who do not understand science need to at least know who to believe. Christie has been all over the place in his quest of who to believe.

Scientists who do not have a vested interest in man caused global warming are the ones from whom to seek advice, not the AGW crowd, a very large group. AGW is an acronym for Anthropogenic Global Warming, or man caused global warming.

13 posted on 08/20/2011 7:04:28 AM PDT by olezip
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To: Common Sense 101

Climate change has been happening for billions of year. The issue is whether man has any real part in it and whether man can control climate change. Christie is dead wrong on both counts.


14 posted on 08/20/2011 7:05:37 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Libloather

Whatever “climate change” may ge attributed to human activity, is probably cancelled out by OTHER human activity that causes the reversal of the effects of the primary activity.

So human activity may very well be entirely neutral on whatever range of “climate change” takes place. Expenditure of huge sums of money we DON’T have is not justified.

Adjust to the climate in which you live. Do not attempt to adjust the climate, as that is clearly a task of such enormous proportions, and of so many unknown factors, that such an objective will remain far beyond human capabilities for centuries if not eons.

This does not mean we cannot or should not change the immediate local environment, but that trying to change the entire planet (which has already evolved some pretty spectacular control mechanisms) is futile and useless at best, and only results in a permanent state of decivilization at worst.

And despite its faults, civilization certainly is better than the alternative.


15 posted on 08/20/2011 7:05:51 AM PDT by alloysteel (Are Democrats truly "better angels"? They are lousy stewards for America.)
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To: Libloather

When you say you don’t believe in Global Bullsh!t. You are then basically hounded and embarrassed (by the lib media) to “come full circle.” It’s so predictable.

I bet Perry backs off his statements too. The press are like nazis.


16 posted on 08/20/2011 7:06:29 AM PDT by nhwingut (Palin '12... Accept No Other)
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To: Mikey_1962

‘Zactly. The entire history of the Human Race has taken place between Glacial Periods. When the next Glacial Period starts, and it will, because it has done so for millions of years, we should make all the Global Warming apologists live outside.


17 posted on 08/20/2011 7:07:11 AM PDT by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: Libloather

fat kills.


18 posted on 08/20/2011 7:07:15 AM PDT by ken21 (ruling class dem + rino progressives -- destroying america for 150 years.)
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To: Libloather

And this is why he won’t be a winning candidate for primary voters....he is no way a conservative. He’s good for NJ but not for the rest of us!!!!


19 posted on 08/20/2011 7:07:31 AM PDT by ontap
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To: ClearCase_guy
Christie's come full circle on the issue Wouldn't that mean that he changed his mind, then changed it back to where he originally stood on the issue?

I think the writer meant that he he reversed his original stance, but his statements aren't really a 180. Statements of "climate change is real." and "human activity plays a role in these changes" are not the same as saying that climate change is the result of human activity.

20 posted on 08/20/2011 7:10:23 AM PDT by kaboom
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To: Libloather

If the climate is warming that’s a good thing....disaster is when it starts to cool into the next ice age!!!!


21 posted on 08/20/2011 7:11:27 AM PDT by ontap
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To: Libloather

Climate change is real. It has been changing for 4.6 billion years. Can we spend enough to change the natural changes that are occuring? NO! Sit down and shut up Christie—take a freshman Geology course and you will understand it better.


22 posted on 08/20/2011 7:12:40 AM PDT by richardtavor (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem)
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To: Libloather

Buh Bye Fat Boy!


23 posted on 08/20/2011 7:13:04 AM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: rabscuttle385

ACCURATE DEPICTION : )


24 posted on 08/20/2011 7:14:23 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: ken21

LOL!!


25 posted on 08/20/2011 7:15:05 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Mikey_1962

Bingo!
The Earths climate has always been dynamic regardless of its inhabitants.

If it were static, there would be no inhabitants.
It would be a dead planet.


26 posted on 08/20/2011 7:15:56 AM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: kaboom
Journalists are dumb. Leftists too -- but I repeat myself. Was it Carol Mosley Braun who was questioned about one topic or another and declared "Oh, I've done a 360 on that."

They just have low IQs. They speak and do not understand themselves. Their thinking is of a low order.

27 posted on 08/20/2011 7:16:13 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
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To: ClearCase_guy
As potential presidential candidates go, he makes an excellent governor of New Jersey.

Why doesn't he just bring Ann Coulter to NJ, give her some appointee job, and then she could STFU about this fat slob being the President.

He is fantastic as a union strong arm guy, giving it back to the unions, and maybe he needs that bulk to fight with the dockworkers and sumo wrestlers but he is too damn fat.

He's got to be 75-100 pounds overweight and the pubbies haven't elected a fat guy since Taft.


28 posted on 08/20/2011 7:17:35 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

I’m so glad Christie came out with that. Now I don’t ever have to take him seriously, or even think about him again.


29 posted on 08/20/2011 7:18:15 AM PDT by Judith Anne ( Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: nhwingut
“I bet Perry backs off his statements too.”

I doubt it. When he was bashed for what he said a Bernecki( sp?) and the QE3, he said he cared more about America than he did about Obama’s ‘feelings’.

30 posted on 08/20/2011 7:18:43 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Libloather
I agree, "climate change" DOES exist. For instance, it explains how Greenland got its name, and why there are the frozen remains of vineyards there. It explains how the glaciers carved great canyons during the time where they expanded and receded. It might explain why there are no baby Wooly Mammoths in the zoo. It explains why the polar ice caps on Mars are melting. "Climate Change" IS real.

But the question is, is it caused by human activity? Well, I doubt it. The scientific evidence does NOT seem to support it, but the fact that some of the scientists have monkeyed with the data proves that THEY don't believe it. The fact that it's supported by people who stand to make BILLIONS of dollars from the legislation they've introduced makes me doubt it. And finally, the fact that it's become something of a "religion" to many of the supporters who defend it almost violently, and declare those who don't agree as "heretics" and need to be silenced, makes me even more skeptical.

The question is, can we do anything about climate change? I doubt it, but it seems to me that the prudent thing to do would be to spend time and effort on living with it, as opposed to tiling at windmills, trying to stop it.

Mark

31 posted on 08/20/2011 7:19:28 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: Common Sense 101

Global warming is caused by CO2 which makes up 0.038% or zero point zero of the earths atmosphere. And as you know, something that has a value of zero can change and overtake everything else. For example if I present myself at Google headquarters with zero point zero money, I can buy the company, dismantle it and put it out of business. That is the proof.


32 posted on 08/20/2011 7:21:49 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Mark Halperin - Learned the hard way what happens when you speak the truth on PMSNBC.)
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To: Libloather
I always like some confirmation of things when I hear or read them.

While I appreciate Chris Christie's efforts to make New Jersey more business friendly to attract more jobs to that state, I'm sad to see what I'm discovering about Chris Christie and his progressive leaning stand on "sustainable cities".

From: Governor Christie: Petra Solar video

Description of youtube video:

Governor Chris Christie visits with management and employees from Petra Solar, a clean energy technology company in South Plainfield, N.J. on Wednesday, April 21, 2010. The Governor talks about Energy As Industry and plans outlined to promote New Jerseys renewable energy industry as a key element of the administrations economic development efforts. More info can be found at http://bit.ly/9EYWIw

33 posted on 08/20/2011 7:22:37 AM PDT by casinva (If Rick Santorum kisses Romney while charging after Perry, I want my nice words about him back.)
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To: Libloather
the governor said "climate change is real." He added that "human activity plays a role in these changes" and that climate change is "impacting our state."

Christie is an insufferable moron. Yes the climate is changing. It has been changing since the earth was formed. It will continue to change until the sun goes super-nova.

I guess Christie thinks that if Guam gets overpopulated it will capsize?

34 posted on 08/20/2011 7:23:43 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Libloather
He added that "human activity plays a role in these changes"

I can't prove it, but I strongly suspect that Christie knows nothing about the nature of climate change, the debate about human influence on it, nor the history of this controversy. Liberals have succeeded in making this a litmus test of scientific literacy -- if you buy AGW, then you're an enlightened, scientifically knowledgeable person. If you don't, you're a knuckle-dragging troglodyte.

35 posted on 08/20/2011 7:24:46 AM PDT by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Rempublicam)
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To: Libloather
This is one of my critical-to-watch, key issues that I think exposes the true nature of a politician. The "belief" in man-made "climate change" (which has been going on for billions of years) and the notion that tax payer dollars should be stolen and "invested" in a futile effort to fight against the forces of nature is one of the best ways to expose a corrupt, big-government, collectivist politician. Despite their rhetoric and dooms-day scenarios, it's all about one thing - using this discredited nonsense as a way of taking away our freedoms and strengthening the centralized-government master. A new world order power grab is all this is now - nothing more.

Christie has finally exposed himself as yet another big-government, nanny state RINO. And I thought he might not be as bad as some of the others. Wrong. Just another corrupt elite that wants to rule over us as subjects.

36 posted on 08/20/2011 7:33:41 AM PDT by MCH
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To: Libloather
He added that "human activity plays a role in these changes" and that climate change is "impacting our state."

WTF is he talking about? I live next door in New York city, name ONE thing "climate change" has impacted?? Don't tell me "flooding" everytime it rains. New Jersey has always had flooding problems for as long as I can remember, and I'm 50. I can't believe this guy saddling up to the wackos.

37 posted on 08/20/2011 7:39:05 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Mark Halperin - Learned the hard way what happens when you speak the truth on PMSNBC.)
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To: Libloather
In other RINO-related news...

Pawlenty staffers, fundraisers in talks with Chris Christie to enter presidential race

38 posted on 08/20/2011 7:43:26 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: casinva

The “going green” of New Jersey towns and cities - one example:

(Title) Bergen County towns object to PSE&G’s ugly solar panel utility poles

http://www.newjerseynewsroom.com/science-updates/bergen-county-towns-object-to-pseags-ugly-solar-panel-utility-poles


39 posted on 08/20/2011 7:46:04 AM PDT by casinva (If Rick Santorum kisses Romney while charging after Perry, I want my nice words about him back.)
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To: Libloather

I would not have a problem with the statement if it went something like this. “Yes Climate Change is real, its been happening since the creation of the World, and their aint nothing we can do to stop it.”


40 posted on 08/20/2011 7:46:39 AM PDT by NavyCanDo (Go Mama Grizzly! Palin 2012)
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To: Libloather

Someone memo this to ChristieIdiot: http://www.thegwpf.org/images/stories/gwpf-reports/happer-the_truth_about_greenhouse_gases.pdf


41 posted on 08/20/2011 7:47:39 AM PDT by cranked
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To: Libloather

Yeah, climate change is real. We call them seasons! I live in New England. The climate changes hear everyday. And not using aerosol or rinsing out my tuna cans isn’t going to do a damn thing about it.


42 posted on 08/20/2011 7:47:53 AM PDT by cotton1706
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To: Libloather; NVDave; CedarDave; B4Ranch; dirtboy; Ernest_at_the_Beach
Humans can change climate on at least a local scale, not by adding carbon dioxide, but by mismanagement of vegetation. Remove the plant cover via poorly managed grazing, catastrophic forest fire, added pavement, and tilling, and surface temperatures will rise while relative humidity falls.

Consider the thermal map of the grass below:

As a real life example, there is solid scientific evidence to suggest that the Sahara Desert was induced by exactly such causes, as a trophic cascade of events that began in the Near East 6,000 years ago subsequent to 9,000 years of continuous nomadic hunting and grazing. At that time, there was a river across the Saudi Peninsula five miles wide. There was a lake above Oman nearly 100 miles across. There are hippopotamus teeth still on the ground. In fact, I think the Hebrew in the old Cain and Abel story chronicles these very events (I've been working on a new translation for about a year).

Desertification happens fast, and when it does, the results can be huge.

The thermal plume of heat adsorbed by that rocky surface extends from Saudi Arabia, all the way to the Caribbean.

Contrast the effect of the central xeric Asian/African surface to the effect South American vegetation exerts. This is independent of the heat concentrations in the centers of the oceanic gyres (circular currents with no sinking mechanism but evaporation).

My hypothesis is that this is REAL anthropogenic climate change, and the policies of the United States government are abetting its equivalent in the American Southwest.

43 posted on 08/20/2011 7:52:51 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (GunWalker: Arming "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded")
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To: Libloather

Say “goodnight”, Chris.


44 posted on 08/20/2011 7:53:18 AM PDT by Inwoodian
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To: Judith Anne; mickie
"Now I don't have to take him seriously, or even think about him again."

You echo my sentiments exactly.

Christie is in love with the sound of his own voice. He likes to hear himself talk to the media. Many of us figured he'd stick his foot in his mouth sooner or later when his latent liberalism would pop out despite his best efforts.

He didn't disappoint.

Leni

45 posted on 08/20/2011 7:55:14 AM PDT by MinuteGal (Too Bad Those of Us who Work for a Living Have to Support Those who Vote for a Living)
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To: Piers-the-Ploughman

Ann Coulter only cares that he’s not Palin.

Pray for America


46 posted on 08/20/2011 7:55:41 AM PDT by bray (The Country Club opens in prayers against Palin)
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To: Libloather
He added that "human activity plays a role in these changes"

There's the money quote. He could potentially make a decent department head, I guess. Maybe a spot on the NLRB, until it's disbanded.
47 posted on 08/20/2011 7:56:09 AM PDT by andyk (Income != Wealth)
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To: Libloather

AAAAAND.....we’re done. Thank you and good night, Mr Christie.


48 posted on 08/20/2011 7:58:08 AM PDT by jimjohn
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To: Libloather

Perry Will Win Big

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/08/perry_will_win_big.html


49 posted on 08/20/2011 8:02:13 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: Libloather; All
The killer about the whole AGW theory is that it's basically a battering ram to destroy capitalism and the entire American economy, replacing them with international central planning and communism on a scale that could only have been dreamt of by Marx, Engels, and Lenin in their most ecstatic communist wet dreams. Thus, belief in it MUST DISQUALIFY any individual who's attempting to get a pubbie nomination because he shows himself as being no better than the Illegal on the most important issue of our time: freedom v. communism.
50 posted on 08/20/2011 8:02:19 AM PDT by libstripper
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