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Obama Returns to End-of-Life Plan That Caused Stir (Medicare Death panels start Jan. 1)
NY Times ^ | 12/25/10 | ROBERT PEAR

Posted on 12/25/2010 7:58:43 PM PST by jimbo123

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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

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41 posted on 12/25/2010 9:07:26 PM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: griswold3

Yes, the nomeklatura who have never held a real job in their lives, but know everything and will rearrange society according to their god, Lucifer.


42 posted on 12/25/2010 9:09:14 PM PST by MtnClimber (Osama and Obama both hate freedom and have friends that bombed the Pentagon)
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To: jimbo123
Congressional supporters of the new policy, though pleased, have kept quiet. They fear provoking another furor like the one in 2009 when Republicans seized on the idea of end-of-life counseling to argue that the Democrats’ bill would allow the government to cut off care for the critically ill.

In other words, don't let people know what you're really doing.

Because, if they found out, they'd be pissed off.

Liberalism in action...

43 posted on 12/25/2010 9:10:32 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: jimbo123
I wrote this little narrative in a thread about this earlier in the year:

Here is what will happen first:
"...I'm sorry sir...we cannot schedule that appointment for you in November 2010 to have that melanoma removed because you have not undergone your mandatory annual counseling after age 65...oh, of course you are right. I know you are only 62, but they did move the age down again this year...we have an opening in three months with the counselors office...would you like that?"

This is fully expected, but It will not be the people you will be FORCED to talk to in order to receive your care, nor the intentional delays in care that will be the most insidiously evil facets of this.

But it will be the conversations like this that will become commonplace that REALLY illustrate what it is all about:
"...Hi Jan, how are you? I heard your father is resisting counseling. It must be difficult, I know. There just seems to be so much of that lately. I know I am only 40 years old, but I don't understand why people like your father are so opposed to this.

I went with my mother to her counseling session, and while she was angry because she was supposed to have another five years before she had to go but they moved the age down again, she went anyway. I thought she was really rude to the counseling agent, who was just a young woman only doing her job. Hm.

Someone told me they are only hiring young women as counselors now, because the men who were doing it just got angry too easily and shouted at people to just "sign the damned papers". Hm. I tried to tell my mom why they have to do this, but she said they do it just to get rid of old people to save money.

The counseling agent gave my mom a copy of the book "Death is Joy". I read it, and it makes a lot of sense to me. Of course, when I was going to school, we didn't have to read it, but now they have required classes they take every year beginning in first grade.

Suzie is in third grade and is taking the course this year that deals with the chapter on keeping birth rates down, and Tommy is in his senior year where they cover the financial aspects of care for the elderly. He was so excited, he said that since they have implemented this national care program, the number of elderly people has dropped dramatically, so they can spend more money on programs such as monthly equality checks for the economically disadvantaged and reparations for the descendants of slaves. I think it is wonderful.

He asked me why so many elderly people are so selfish and refuse to accept counseling...I didn't really have an answer for him. Hm. Now, don't be defensive, I am not criticizing your parents.

I am just saying, it is a problem.

They had an hour-long program on PBS about this the other night, and they were saying how the people who are being selfish about this and refusing to take advantage of early exit programs that pay cash to their children are being so self-centered because they grew up in a time where everyone was self-centered and were interested only in money. You know, they showed films from the days of the capitalists where there were people who had what they called 'gas-guzzlers", and they used to make so much more money than they needed to live comfortably, so many people were going without health care because they were taking all the money..."

44 posted on 12/25/2010 9:14:31 PM PST by rlmorel ("If this doesn't light your fire, Men, the pilot light's out!"...Coach Ed Bolin)
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To: calex59
Just what else do these idiots think "end of life planning" means?

They know exactly what it means. They are just hoping you don't. More importantly here, see how the Executive Branch sidesteps the Legislative Branch in paying out money that Congress has not appropriated.

45 posted on 12/25/2010 9:17:42 PM PST by Hoodat (Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. - (Rom 8:37))
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To: jimbo123
To paraphrase Democrat Congressman (and escaped Mental Patient) Alan Grayson, Democrats want you to die.

I hope one of our new Republican Congressmen finds the posters Grayson used in his tirade and crosses out “Republican” and replaces it with “Obama”.

Okay, they would never do that, so just change it to “Democrat”.

46 posted on 12/25/2010 9:19:21 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (If Sarah Palin was President, you would have a job by now...)
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To: jessduntno

“Freedom is Slavery means that you are supposed to treat your supposedly natural rights as privileges that you need to constantly earn.”

I got confoost at your response of “Slavery is freedom...”,
so I did a search, and found the above.

Still confoost. ;)


47 posted on 12/25/2010 9:26:22 PM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: rlmorel

I think you are right about how it will start. But when dotZERO.gov takes over food and causes shortages they will use the Precident of ZEROdot.gov control over life in health situations to be used in the orchestrated starvation decisions. The Soviet Union and 0’bama worshipped Mao were very good at this strategy. You can already see their food control infrastructure being put in place.


48 posted on 12/25/2010 9:31:19 PM PST by MtnClimber (Osama and Obama both hate freedom and have friends that bombed the Pentagon)
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To: jimbo123; Jet Jaguar; Lady Jag; Slings and Arrows; maggief; Dog; BP2; Candor7; martin_fierro; ...

OUTRAGE ping


49 posted on 12/25/2010 9:42:42 PM PST by bitt ( Charles Krauthammer: "There's desperation, and then there's reptilian desperation, ..")
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To: jimbo123

Can we all just force Obama to leave the building, now? He belongs in the effing Kremlin.


50 posted on 12/25/2010 9:46:48 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Red Badger
"Pay for docs to suggest you think about cashing out... "

With a bonus depending on how well the patient takes the docs advice.

yitbos

51 posted on 12/25/2010 10:00:48 PM PST by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." -- Ayn Rand)
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To: rlmorel
...You know, they showed films from the days of the capitalists where there were people who had what they called 'gas-guzzlers", and they used to make so much more money than they needed to live comfortably, so many people were going without health care because they were taking all the money..."

Spoken by the granddaughter after she delivered granny to the appropriate facility for end of life care (voluntary euthanasia) I imagine...brilliant piece of writing btw.

52 posted on 12/25/2010 10:00:59 PM PST by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: jimbo123

The government should not be spending money to end peoples’ lives and it should not be spending money to keep people alive. The government should get out of health care, period. Medicare and Medicaid are unconstitutional.


53 posted on 12/25/2010 10:09:10 PM PST by Walts Ice Pick
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To: jimbo123

The government should not be spending money to end peoples’ lives and it should not be spending money to keep people alive. The government should get out of health care, period. Medicare and Medicaid are unconstitutional.


54 posted on 12/25/2010 10:09:10 PM PST by Walts Ice Pick
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To: bruinbirdman

Almost like a bounty hunter......


55 posted on 12/25/2010 10:14:50 PM PST by Red Badger (Whenever these vermin call you an “idiot”, you can be sure that you are doing to something right.)
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To: Red Badger
"Almost like a bounty hunter......"

Decreasing sliding scale depending on time after last visit.

yitbos

56 posted on 12/25/2010 10:21:05 PM PST by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." -- Ayn Rand)
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To: mia

My father has Alzheimers and is in-and-out of dementia.

He has a medical problem, one that is not immediately life threatening that requires a very involved surgery. Because of the complexity and length of the surgery and the amount of anesthesia involved, it means he may never recover his sensibilities or any lucidity, and may be totally demented afterwards.

In his present state he is aware of the problem. It scares the Hell our of him. He wishes he were dead.

His doctors ( yes, plural) and I agree that he can live for years with what is ailing him but he may have only a few months or at most 14 months with the Alzheimers. It is not worth losing his sanity to have him undergo an involved surgery that will not do anything to truly extend his quality of life or length thereof.


57 posted on 12/25/2010 10:22:24 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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To: bruinbirdman

The quicker you die, the biger the bonus.....


58 posted on 12/25/2010 10:25:20 PM PST by Red Badger (Whenever these vermin call you an “idiot”, you can be sure that you are doing to something right.)
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To: calex59

This is how Bismarck governed Germany after the Liberals took control of the Reichstag. “Father knows bes,”of course.


59 posted on 12/25/2010 10:40:35 PM PST by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: jimbo123

Kill ‘em when they’re up
Kill ‘em when they’re down
Kill ‘em when they’re young
Kill ‘em when they’re old


60 posted on 12/25/2010 10:42:46 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (0bamanomics: Punish Success, Reward Failure. Destroying America is the point.)
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