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Caroline Glick: We Are Not for Sale
Townhall.com ^ | November 5, 2010 | Caroline Glick

Posted on 11/08/2010 5:58:15 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu is playing with fire. And Israel is getting burned.

Over the past week, it has been widely reported that the Obama administration and the Netanyahu government are conducting secret negotiations regarding future Israeli land surrenders to the Palestinians in the Jordan Valley and Jerusalem. According to the reports, the Obama administration has presented Netanyahu with a plan whereby Israel will cede its rights to eastern Jerusalem and the Jordan Valley to the Palestinians and then lease the areas from the Palestinians for a limited period.

The reports on the length of the lease vary. Some claim that the White House is offering a seven year rental. Others claim the Americans are offering Israel to lease Jerusalem and the Jordan Valley for several decades before relinquishing them completely.

Netanyahu has reportedly accepted Obama's proposal in principle. The only remaining dispute is the length of the lease. Netanyahu is demanding that Israel be permitted to lease Jerusalem and the Jordan Valley from the Palestinians for somewhere between forty and ninety-nine years. The Americans foresee a shorter timeframe.

The fact that these discussions are taking place is deeply disturbing both for what they tell us about the Obama administration's view of Israel and for what they tell us about Netanyahu's wisdom and character.

By calling for Israel to cede the Jordan Valley to the Palestinians, US President Barack Obama is ignoring the most fundamental reality of the Middle East: Israel is besieged by its neighbors who seek its destruction. Without the Jordan Valley Israel would become the modern day equivalent of Czechoslovakia stripped of the Sudetenland in 1938. It would be utterly indefensible.

None of Israel's neighbors have accepted Israel's right to exist. The absolute majority of the Arabs in all of the states neighboring Israel wish to see Israel destroyed. By relinquishing the Jordan Valley Israel would effectively be committing national suicide by inviting an invasion it would be incapable of staving off.

This is the truth today and given the depth of Arab hatred of Jews, in all likelihood, it will remain the case in forty years and in 99 years. At any rate, Obama's suggestion that Israel entrust its future to an unsubstantiated hope that the Arab world will be fundamentally transformed is both ignorant and dangerous.

As for Netanyahu, he has no right to gamble away Israel's future. He has no right to commit future generations to strategic suicide on the basis of Obama's strategic myopia.

The very notion that Israel ought to ever surrender control over the Jordan Valley is egregious and unacceptable. And by proposing that Israel do so, the Obama administration is destroying the last vestiges of its credibility as an ally to the Jewish state. But that is not the worst aspect of the reported US proposal to Israel.

The worst aspect of the US proposal is that it calls for Israel to cede Jerusalem and the Jordan Valley to the Palestinians and then lease them from the Palestinians. Speaking to Army Radio, Science Minister Daniel Herschkowitz explained, "If we agree to the offer, we will be broadcasting to the Palestinians that the land is actually theirs."

Indeed, we would. But it is worse than that.

Jerusalem is the center of Jewish history, civilization, culture, and faith. It is the lifeblood of the Jewish state and the Jewish people. As for the Jordan Valley, Jerusalem cannot be defended without it. When the US asks Israel to lease the areas from the Palestinians, what the US is telling Israel is that it rejects the very notion of Jewish national rights to the State of Israel.

Perhaps one day Israel's leaders may be foolish enough to withdraw from Jerusalem and the Jordan Valley. Perhaps one day they will be stupid enough to withdraw from the Galilee and the Negev. But no Israeli leader has the right to cede the Jewish people's national rights to the land of Israel to anyone.

At heart, the US proposal entails an Israeli submission to the Palestinians. It requires Israel's leaders to say that the Palestinians have all the rights. We just have some minor security and political considerations. These considerations in turn are of limited duration and once they are settled, we will be out of everybody's way. The Palestinians will be free to enjoy all of their rights without the troublesome Jews around bothering them.

Netanyahu knows full well that Israel cannot survive without the Jordan Valley. He also knows that the Land of Israel belongs to the Jewish people and that we are the rightful owners of this land. So what explains his actions?

In acting as he is, Netanyahu is clearly trying to avert yet another crisis with the Obama administration. No doubt he believes that the Palestinians will save the day again by refusing to make a deal with Israel. Just as the Palestinians refuse to accept Israel's right to exist, just as they refuse to give up on their demand that Israel destroy itself by accepting millions of foreign born Arabs as full citizens in the framework of a "peace" agreement; and just as they refuse to accept any limitations on the sovereignty of a future Palestinian state, so Netanyahu believes, they will refuse to lease the Jordan Valley and Jerusalem to Israel for 40 or 99 years.

Netanyahu may be right to think this. The Palestinians may reject the deal. But he is taking an enormous risk.

Yassir Arafat didn't have a problem lying to Yitzhak Rabin in 1993. To get Rabin to set up the Palestinian Authority, arm the PLO, raise billions of dollars in international aid for the PA, and allow it to expand to the outskirts of Israel's major cities, Arafat lied and said that the PLO recognized Israel and would live at peace with the Jewish state.

It is easy to imagine Mahmoud Abbas, Arafat's deputy of forty years acting in a similar fashion.

And then what would Netanyahu do?

If Netanyahu's tactics could only cause Israel tactical damage, his gamble that the Palestinians will also refuse this deal might be defensible. But his tactics cause Israel strategic harm even if the Palestinians reject this deal as well. And so they are inexcusable. Israel cannot survive without the Jordan Valley. By negotiating a surrender of the Jordan Valley, Netanyahu makes it acceptable for the US and the rest of the world to demand that Israel commit national suicide.

Even worse than that, Netanyahu's willingness to negotiate with the US on the basis of a plan that rejects the Jewish people's right to the land of Israel confuses Israel's friends and so dooms their defenses of Israel to failure.

By accepting the legitimacy of this proposal, Netanyahu is telling Israel's supporters abroad that the Palestinians are right. Israel belongs to the Arabs more than it belongs to the Jews. With this message, the only thing supporters of Israel can do is encourage the Israeli government to make territorial concessions that are suicidal for the country.

This disastrous belief has been engendered since the inception of the Oslo process in 1993. Its deleterious influence abroad is evidenced by the flood of statements over the years by Israel's supporters claiming that Israel must vacate Judea, Samaria, Jerusalem, the Jordan Valley and the Golan Heights.

Take a recent statement by the American pollster Frank Luntz. Luntz often advises American pro-Israel groups about how to improve Israel's image in the world. Yet as this friend of Israel sees things, "The only way for Israel to create sympathy is to be the side working hardest for peace. The best case for Israel is to demonstrate that she is willing to go twice as far as her neighbors to establish peace."

And while moves like Netanyahu's confuse Israel's friends abroad, his willingness to consider a plan that denies Jewish rights to Israel and calls for Israel to make suicidal withdrawals demoralize Israelis at home. For evidence of this demoralization, one need only look to the Kadima Party.

As Kadima's leader Tzipi Livni reminds us every time she opens her mouth, Kadima's plan is for Israel to destroy itself by withdrawing to the indefensible 1949 armistice lines as quickly as possible.

Livni says day in and day out that Israel's interests are best served by surrendering Judea, Samaria, Jerusalem, and the Jordan Valley as quickly as possible. To the extent that Netanyahu tries to withstand US pressure to surrender all these areas, Livni accuses him of endangering the country.

Livni's most recent broadside came on Wednesday at the Knesset. There she attacked the Netanyahu government for purportedly reacting with happiness to the news that the Republicans won control of the US House of Representatives in Tuesday's elections.

As she put it, "For those of you who believe that Obama's loss is good for Netanyahu, I ask myself have you all gone crazy?... He who says that a... weak American president is good for Israel is not just speaking stupidly, they are encouraging something that endangers Israel itself."

Obviously Livni is wrong. Israel is not best served by preferring the political fortunes of a hostile US President to its national interests and rights. If Netanyahu and his associates expressed happiness at the outcome of the US elections they would be fully justified for doing so. The overwhelming majority of Israelis -- who rightly view Obama as hostile --understand this.

But despite the idiocy of Livni's arguments and the lunacy of Kadima's policy, consistent opinion polls show Kadima closely trailing Likud. And Netanyahu deserves a large share of the blame for this state of affairs.

When Netanyahu agrees to negotiate from a position of moral weakness and strategic blindness, the message he sends the public is that we should take the likes of Livni seriously. He tells us that the difference between Kadima and Likud is one of tone, not substance.

They are all shoving us off the same cliff so we might as well go with Blondie. For 17 long years, successive Israeli leaders have come into office committed to defending the country only to be reduced within a few short months to quibbling over the price of surrender. Leaders from the Right hoped that the Palestinians would scuttle the deals. Leaders from the Left begged the Palestinians to accept them.

If Netanyahu wishes to be remembered as something more than another hack no different from Livni and all the rest, he should end these destructive talks and tell the Obama administration the truth: Israel's survival is non-negotiable and the rights of the Jewish people are not for sale.


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1 posted on 11/08/2010 5:58:21 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: Alouette

PING!


2 posted on 11/08/2010 6:01:15 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Muslims are not the problem, the rest of the world is! /s)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
I hope Netanyahu doesn't turn into the Netanyahu of the last Netanyahu administration. I hơped that the Bush II administration would not turn into a Bush I administration reprise. In the case of the Bushes, it happened. With Netanyahu it hasn't happened yet, but it doesn't look very good.
3 posted on 11/08/2010 6:07:14 PM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

This is a cyanide pill. Take it and its fatal.

If you lease it, its not yours. If thats the case, cede it immediately and withdraw right now.

If its yours, never even discuss ceding it.

Agreeing to “lease” what is yours is to agree that its not yours. Whether its 49 years or 99 years is immaterial. You just lost. Game over.

How about this for a peace plan? Israel chooses the borders she is prepared to live and die by, and then defends them come what may. And if the west bank arabs attack, she seizes land in compensation, every time. Permanently.

War is coming, big war, real war, and granting the west bank a few square miles isn’t going to change that at all. So there is no point in agreeing to anything with them. Get ready for whats coming and stop letting your enemy call the tune.

As for Obama, leave him to us.


4 posted on 11/08/2010 6:07:32 PM PST by marron
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

OMG, you have to be kidding. This is a formula for epic fail.

Netanyahu should make no deals with the bogus Obama admin.


5 posted on 11/08/2010 6:10:16 PM PST by dforest
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To: marron

What you said.


6 posted on 11/08/2010 6:16:47 PM PST by hershey
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

God gave the land to the Jews, it not for anyone to take it or give it !


7 posted on 11/08/2010 6:20:12 PM PST by CORedneck
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Bibi has no choice now. He has been presented with the “agreement” that will be imposed on Israel and the Arabs by Obama via the UN. He’s grasping at straws - trying to argue the terms of the rental in the agreement he’s been issued. It’s a done deal.


8 posted on 11/08/2010 6:23:17 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Seven year lease? hmmmmm


9 posted on 11/08/2010 6:24:30 PM PST by BastropBarbie
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks; Cinnamon Girl; MestaMachine; Candor7

Disturbing report ping....From the article:

Netanyahu has reportedly accepted Obama’s proposal in principle. The only remaining dispute is the length of the lease. Netanyahu is demanding that Israel be permitted to lease Jerusalem and the Jordan Valley from the Palestinians for somewhere between forty and ninety-nine years. The Americans foresee a shorter timeframe.

The fact that these discussions are taking place is deeply disturbing...,

The worst aspect of the US proposal is that it calls for Israel to cede Jerusalem and the Jordan Valley to the Palestinians and then lease them from the Palestinians. Speaking to Army Radio, Science Minister Daniel Herschkowitz explained, “If we agree to the offer, we will be broadcasting to the Palestinians that the land is actually theirs.”

Indeed, we would. But it is worse than that.

Jerusalem is the center of Jewish history, civilization, culture, and faith. It is the lifeblood of the Jewish state and the Jewish people. As for the Jordan Valley, Jerusalem cannot be defended without it. When the US asks Israel to lease the areas from the Palestinians, what the US is telling Israel is that it rejects the very notion of Jewish national rights to the State of Israel.


10 posted on 11/08/2010 6:29:54 PM PST by thouworm
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I wouldn’t have imagined that Bibi could even consider such insane proposals — obviously the whole point of a “lease” of any length is to cede fundamental rights to the Pali-Nazis.

No matter what the length of a “lease” it just launches the process of further encroachments, further concessions.... no one would be talking about a “lease” except as a wedge to get Israel to cede rights over the land to the Palis. BAD idea, Bibi!!!


11 posted on 11/08/2010 6:35:57 PM PST by Enchante (What if the Olberdork never returns to the air - would anyone notice? or care?)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Glick knows more than I do and if she’s worried, I’m worried.

BN is a fine man and a wise one, but political leaders have a way of going astray, going stale, compromising, getting outmaneuvered by other crafty players, and otherwise disappointing us. They live and function in an esoteric plane, a minefield of temptations and pressures and traps. They lose parts, and instead of leaving the field they keep wiggling around in there, crippled, ineffectual, in denial — and their followers in denial out of loyalty or the thoughtless momentum of having followed them perennially.

I’ll be sorrowful if that happens to Netanyahu...but hardly surprised.

In the meantime, this business Glick describes sounds really boneheaded.


12 posted on 11/08/2010 6:40:31 PM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Save the liver!)
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To: itsahoot

Ping to self


13 posted on 11/08/2010 6:51:28 PM PST by itsahoot (We the people allowed Republican leadership to get us here, only God's Grace can get us out.)
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To: BastropBarbie

I’ll start worrying about that one when all the devout Christians suddenly disappear from the Earth.


14 posted on 11/08/2010 6:58:47 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Muslims are not the problem, the rest of the world is! /s)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Bullshit. Israel will give Jerusalem to the Palestinian thugs right after we let Obama give the Gettysburg National Park to Al Qaida.


15 posted on 11/08/2010 7:02:12 PM PST by pabianice
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To: Fred Nerks; null and void; stockpirate; george76; PhilDragoo; Candor7; rxsid; MeekOneGOP; ...

Ping To Israel Situation......Dire?


16 posted on 11/08/2010 7:19:38 PM PST by Candor7 (Obama . fascist info..http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: BastropBarbie

And in the middle of the seventh year....


17 posted on 11/08/2010 7:26:05 PM PST by Freddd (CNN is down to Three Hundred Thousand viewers. But they worked for it.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I too have the greatest respect for Caroline Glick. If she is this worried, then I’m sure she has good reason for it.

Bibi just has to resist this. Obama is rapidly losing power. He is no longer the most powerful man on earth, as the media would have it. And although plenty of Dem politicians seem willing to sacrifice Israel, they want to do so covertly. They want to blame it on Netanyahu, not take credit for it themselves.

Time to resist. And time for the stupid, idiotic leftist Jews in this country to wake up and pull the rug out from under the Mohammedan pretender in the White House

Time to call it what it is, and not let Obama get away with this by concealment and failure of the press to acknowledge what’s happening.


18 posted on 11/08/2010 7:31:02 PM PST by Cicero
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Don't do it Bibi. The one/ones proposing any such idea come with Hell in their hearts and disdain for the Lord Almighty and the Jewish people.
19 posted on 11/08/2010 9:28:35 PM PST by 444Flyer ("The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good."-S. Johnson)
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To: F15Eagle; Saoirise; HollyB
..."Some claim that the White House is offering a seven year rental."

This isn't the first time I've heard this number used referring to the number of years that Obama may use making a pact with Israel. His wickedness knows no end.

20 posted on 11/08/2010 9:36:12 PM PST by 444Flyer ("The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good."-S. Johnson)
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To: thouworm

thou, Netanyahu will do whatever he has to do to stall this administration until it is gone. He will NEVER cede Jerusalem. He knows what he is doing, unlike those who believe this crap. He will talk and talk and talk and tell these jerks whatever he has to tell them to keep them happy. He knows prophecy probably better than most people and he will never be the one to put the final nail in the world’s coffin...let alone Israel’s.


21 posted on 11/08/2010 9:51:18 PM PST by MestaMachine (Farrago fatigans! - Thuffering thuccotash!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

With greatest respect to Caroline Glick, assuming that these reports are true, isn’t it possible that Netanyahu is negotiating as means to stall for time until the political climate in the US is more favorable? I don’t like the idea of ceding land to the Palis either, but so far all that’s happened is talk.


22 posted on 11/08/2010 11:31:20 PM PST by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
At any rate, Obama's suggestion that Israel entrust its future to an unsubstantiated hope that the Arab world will be fundamentally transformed is both ignorant and dangerous.

ignorant? doubtful
23 posted on 11/08/2010 11:58:18 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: 444Flyer; BastropBarbie; Freddd

Yes, if they confirm a seven-year lease that would be ... quite interesting to say the least.


24 posted on 11/09/2010 12:09:09 AM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; ..
Middle East and terrorism, occasional political and Jewish issues Ping List. High Volume

If you’d like to be on or off, please FR mail me.

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25 posted on 11/09/2010 4:59:36 AM PST by SJackson (In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

When Caroline Glick speaks, I listen.


26 posted on 11/09/2010 5:16:53 AM PST by EternalVigilance (Many have been foolish enough to bet against America. In the long run, they've all lost.)
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To: 444Flyer

Thanks 444, Hadn’t heard that before either. Prayers for Israel.


27 posted on 11/09/2010 5:18:24 AM PST by HollyB
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Why, Bibi, why?!? This will be the end of Israel. Making a deal with Hussein is making a deal with the devil. Bibi is smarter than this. Something else is being held over his head.


28 posted on 11/09/2010 7:00:37 AM PST by bgill (K Parliament- how could a young man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: bgill; MestaMachine
Something else is being held over his head.

Iran?

29 posted on 11/09/2010 7:42:40 AM PST by thouworm
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To: Candor7

I don’t believe Net is that stupid, therefore I await the result.


30 posted on 11/09/2010 9:27:08 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker
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To: Candor7; Cicero; bgill; SJackson; EternalVigilance; All
Netanyahu: 'Jerusalem is not a settlement' (Plus, video of peace-clown heckler SMACKDOWN)
31 posted on 11/09/2010 10:12:21 AM PST by thouworm
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks; stephenjohnbanker; 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

ping to article in post 31


32 posted on 11/09/2010 10:15:49 AM PST by thouworm
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To: reaganaut1
Related thread:

Netanyahu Insists, Sharply, on Building in Jerusalem

33 posted on 11/09/2010 10:20:09 AM PST by thouworm
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To: thouworm

Thanks for the links.


34 posted on 11/09/2010 10:34:36 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker
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To: stephenjohnbanker

I agree. Net is playing the pimp amd is about to fake out both Obama and the Palestinians.


35 posted on 11/09/2010 4:28:30 PM PST by Candor7 (Obama . fascist info..http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: Candor7

One of the reasons I have always liked Net, is that he has a useful combination of intellectual brains(M.I.T. Honors graduate), and “street brains” . I doubt he can be easily flim-flammed.


36 posted on 11/10/2010 10:01:02 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Agreed. Its MIT vs Occidental College/Columbia. No contest.


37 posted on 11/10/2010 11:38:30 AM PST by Candor7 (Obama . fascist info..http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: Candor7

My good FRiend, I GUARANTEE you Obama got boyfriend/girlfriends to do his term papers. He isn’t smart enough to have done them them himself.


38 posted on 11/10/2010 11:40:55 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker
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To: marron

I believe you are correct... war is coming... big time.


39 posted on 11/10/2010 11:41:10 AM PST by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Obama is inndeed not smart, He is just hateful. The hateful are wiley.

Affirnmative action caused this, and now he bites the hand that fed him. Thats the last time!!!!

He is a dog. And I do believe he will turn rabid before long, and will return from his neo colonial world tour with a huge, swollen ego. Watch what happens when we take him down a few pegs.


40 posted on 11/10/2010 11:47:37 AM PST by Candor7 (Obama . fascist info..http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: Candor7; DoughtyOne

I believe Obama will become more dangerous, commensurate with his waning popularity and stature. He will be capable of causing tremendous harm to us.


41 posted on 11/10/2010 12:08:16 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker
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To: stephenjohnbanker

I agee. It may well begin as an attack on the “rich”.

International currency controls, and use of the Income tax act to impliment politically motovated audits.

That’s my bet where he will begin.

And then after that his SEIU thugs will start running a protection racket for businesses in the City, unless you are Jewish, or cracker conservative.Its likely already started in Chicago, which is why Rahm wants to be mayor.


42 posted on 11/10/2010 12:17:45 PM PST by Candor7 (Obama . fascist info..http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

I was quite paranoid about what the Clintons and their underworld friends would do. I’m not certain Obama will become desperate and do things. I can’t say for certain he won’t either. This is a dangerous time IMO. Internationally, he has done his best to destroy our standing.


43 posted on 11/10/2010 12:26:34 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Your next chance like this? About 2044. Vote popularity and don't waste time with the details.)
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To: DoughtyOne; Candor7

Obama is already using the income tax as a weapon against his enemies....US.


44 posted on 11/10/2010 12:31:08 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker
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To: stephenjohnbanker

I agree that he is trying to. He has also taken control of over 50% of the private sector, overseeing decisions that those entities will make.

The Republican Congress should put an end to that. The Senate isn’t going to be helpful, but if the Republicans in the House and Senate make enough noise about it, they can prevail.

The Dems don’t want another 2010 in 2012.


45 posted on 11/10/2010 12:47:58 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Your next chance like this? About 2044. Vote popularity and don't waste time with the details.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Thats what QE 2 is, anindirect tax on everyone, value of the dollar goes down ( already down about 15% and now will go down another 20% through monetizing the debt.)

The goverement gets to “flourush and grow” and Americans will have to go on very, very short rations.The left is bettng that Americans do not have the hutzpah to rise up.

Thats nothing compared to what will happen when the USD is no longer the world’s reserve currrency. This, IMHO, is the REAL Obama plan.( The rest of the world has come to US for too long.) Our standard of livinng will drop so low it will be like Zimbabwe’s, and thats GREAT according to Obama!!!! All those Americans dependent on the government. Whoopeee for socialism, and the new USSA!

I know of a great gulag in China, if only they would kidnap the POS!!!!


46 posted on 11/10/2010 1:43:11 PM PST by Candor7 (Obama . fascist info..http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

All speculation.


47 posted on 11/10/2010 2:00:34 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Candor7

” Thats nothing compared to what will happen when the USD is no longer the world’s reserve currrency. This, IMHO, is the REAL Obama plan.( The rest of the world has come to US for too long.) Our standard of livinng will drop so low it will be like Zimbabwe’s, and thats GREAT according to Obama!!!! All those Americans dependent on the government. Whoopeee for socialism, and the new USSA! “

The Obama Nation


48 posted on 11/11/2010 10:15:46 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker
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