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To wipe out whooping cough, create a better vaccine
The Washington Post ^ | October 2, 2010 | Miranda Walker

Posted on 10/02/2010 9:06:51 AM PDT by RogerFGay

As a Californian and a student studying public health, I find the whooping cough resurgence in California extremely troubling ["Whooping cough makes a comeback," Health and Science, Sept. 28].

People who refuse to be vaccinated, though misguided, are easy scapegoats, but they are not the driving force behind this trend. In the short term, more needs to be done to encourage booster vaccines in teens and adults to protect the most vulnerable: infants too young to be vaccinated.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Miscellaneous; US: California
KEYWORDS: buildafence; health; immigration; vaccinations; vaccines; whoopingcough

1 posted on 10/02/2010 9:06:58 AM PDT by RogerFGay
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To: RogerFGay
My daughter got the vaccination and at about the age of 4 contracted Whooping Cough. Her pediatrician didn't seem surprised and said it happens all of the time.
2 posted on 10/02/2010 9:11:04 AM PDT by Momto2 (The two essential premises of all atheism: 1-God does not exist. 2-I hate Him.)
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To: RogerFGay

Yeah, let’s poison our kids with even more vaccines. Better yet, how about controlling our borders and who is in the US so these diseases don’t re-emerge?


3 posted on 10/02/2010 9:11:15 AM PDT by grania
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To: RogerFGay
create a better vaccine
My guess is that there's nothing wrong with the current vaccine.
Too many whackos won't vaccinate their kids - and the border is still OPEN!!
4 posted on 10/02/2010 9:13:55 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: RogerFGay

UNLIMITED illegal immigration is the culprit. We had Whooping Cough pretty much under control a generation ago.


5 posted on 10/02/2010 9:14:56 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannolis. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: grania

All kinds of third world deceases we already wiped out in the US are making a comeback...


6 posted on 10/02/2010 9:14:56 AM PDT by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompetence..)
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To: RogerFGay

UNLIMITED illegal immigration is the culprit. We had Whooping Cough pretty much under control a generation ago.


7 posted on 10/02/2010 9:15:47 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannolis. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: RogerFGay

Some of the diseases currently prevented by vaccinations are always around us, and many of us even carry the causative germs. Although I agree that allowing illegal immigration to continue unabated is probably bringing in a lot of new diseases, it is not responsible for the resurgence of whooping cough. That is a direct consequence of parents refusing to vaccinate their children.


8 posted on 10/02/2010 9:31:55 AM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: RogerFGay
"Our Diversity Is Our Strength" This epidemic is only a tiny taste of what is to come. Diseases about which Americans have never heard.

It is hard to believe that people are so enamored with equality that they will subject themselves and their loved ones to death by disease and violence.

9 posted on 10/02/2010 9:46:50 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: RogerFGay

Try closing the borders.


10 posted on 10/02/2010 9:47:41 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both.)
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To: grania
Yeah, let’s poison our kids with even more vaccines. Better yet, how about controlling our borders and who is in the US so these diseases don’t re-emerge?

The only thing keeping these diseases from re-emerging is vaccines. The only thing that drove these diseases into countrywide remission is vaccines.

If you would stop and think for one second, you'd realized that the only reason immigrants might bring these diseases into the country is that they are less likely to have been vaccinated.
11 posted on 10/02/2010 10:02:14 AM PDT by aNYCguy
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To: RogerFGay
No research was done at the Post! We already have a new, improved Pertussis vaccine. The first acellular Pertussis vaccines started to arrive in 1991. Actually eight such new vaccines were licensed from 1997 to 2008 as replacements for the old DPT vaccines. All are acellular Pertussis vaccines. The older cellular Pertussis components caused most of the reactions to the old DPTs. Even in the "good old days," where Pertussis was (inaccurately) perceived to be nearly absent, the risk of death or serious injury from those vaccines were far less than the risk of same from Pertussis. In addition to no longer having the risk of reactions to Pertussis cellular debris, these new vaccines are also thimerosal free, removing another falsely maligned issue. The "vaccines containing thimerosal cause autism" myth has been disproven by the lack of a fall in European autism rates 20+ (IIRC) years after removing thimerosal from all vaccines there. And more dramatically disproven by the recent admission that the original article claiming an autism-thimerosal link was fraudulent.

The anti-vaccine crowd has no more legs to stand on than the global warming crowd, but is equally actively treading water in many forums, including this one. My own community, in eastern Iowa, isn't known for our illegal immigrant population but has had multiple large Pertussis outbreaks. We are known for hosting the founding institution of the largest alternative medicine "profession" in the country. One that is well known in the medical community here for advising parents against vaccination. Pertussis is a miserable disease for most and a life-threatening one for a few. I blame my local anti-vaccine crowd for a lot of needless suffering.

12 posted on 10/02/2010 10:14:55 AM PDT by JohnBovenmyer (Tear down that BARACK-ade!)
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To: Don Corleone; grania

“UNLIMITED illegal immigration is the culprit. We had Whooping Cough pretty much under control a generation ago.”

“All kinds of third world deceases we already wiped out in the US are making a comeback...”

Don Corleone and grania sum up what is happening in America re Whooping Cough and other “T*RD World diseases”!


13 posted on 10/02/2010 10:36:03 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS DESTROYING AMERICA-LOOK AT WHAT IT DID TO THE WHITE HOUSE!)
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To: JohnBovenmyer
As a mother of a 2 month old (who was a preemie) I am very torn about vaccinations. At issue is the amounts of vaccines given at one time. Some shots have 4 vaccines in them...can that really be good for anyone? Especially if one weighs only 10 pounds.

When our daughter was 2 years old, she had missed one round of vaccines so they “caught her up at the next visit”. She threw up a several hours later, and for the next 4 days her eyes were glazed over and she was very unresponsive to the world around her. She walked like a zombie. Thankfully, and I believe due to divine intervention, she went back to her normal bright eyed and funny self.

I didn't get my baby vaccinated yesterday at his two month well baby visit because if he wasn't early, he would be only a month old and that's too young for the DTaP vaccine. According the the chart at our doctor's office, 8 individual vaccines are given at the two month well baby visit. It's my understanding that each vaccine is tested for safety individually, not in combination with 7 others.

14 posted on 10/02/2010 10:41:51 AM PDT by Spudx7
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To: oh8eleven

Yup.
These things would never take hold if people got their kids vaccinated.

Expect polio and smallpox to make a comeback also.


15 posted on 10/02/2010 10:46:37 AM PDT by djf (It is ISLAM or "We, the People..." Take your pick. THERE IS NO MIDDLE GROUND!!!)
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To: aNYCguy

the only reason immigrants might bring these diseases into the country is that they are less likely to have been vaccinated.


It’s not the only reason. There are tremendous differences between sanitation and hygiene practices in third world countries and the US. Polio, for example, was found to have been spread through fecal matter. Improved public sanitation systems, chlorinating pools, etc. have helped to reduce these diseases.


16 posted on 10/02/2010 10:59:00 AM PDT by Spudx7
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To: grania
Yeah, let’s poison our kids with even more vaccines

It's going to be difficult to create community immunity with attitudes such as this. This is a bigger part of the problem than open borders. The anti-vaccine crowd is larger than most people realize. Ship of fools.

17 posted on 10/02/2010 11:10:21 AM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: RogerFGay
"...Given the expense of developing and testing vaccines and the facts that the vaccines are used once or a few times in an individual's life and therefore create much less revenue than everyday drugs, there are few incentives for developing a better vaccine. "

The expense of developing and testing a vaccine also has to include the cost of law suits claiming the vaccine caused some harm. What company would want to spend the millions and years needed to get new vaccine approved by government regulators then have to run a gauntlet of trial lawyers looking for millions in claims.

18 posted on 10/02/2010 11:38:04 AM PDT by The Great RJ (The Bill of Rights: Another bill members of Congress haven't read.)
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To: Spudx7
Little kid's "jobs" are learning new things. This includes their immune system learning new things. It's a big, nasty world, full of germs and they have to learn to fight it. They get some initial protection from Mom's antibodies in their blood, but that wears off in months. After that they're on their own. Fortunately God designed them well. Our immune system normally is its strongest and fastest when we're little kids; it's just untrained. The immune system can deal with more than one thing at a time. Multiple bugs at various cuts and scrapes get stomped simultaneously. Little kids are always getting sick, but most bugs they shake off quickly. Often a lot quicker and easier than if their poor Mom or Dad catch the same bug!

For some of the more dangerous bugs, ones that used to kill rather than just sicken many little kids we've been able to develop vaccines. They make the kid a little sick because training the immune system is work for them. Just like training the immune system with every "natural" cold and flu bug is. But that can't make them as sick as the real infections would. There are some rare circumstances in which vaccination won't work and rarer ones in which it can be risky, but most kids, even 'sickly' kids do fine with it. Millions of kids are getting all these vaccines, several at a time just like yours, and there is no epidemic of serious side effects. When to vaccinate is a trade off. Vaccinate too soon and you don't get as good a take; in part because left over maternal antibodies get there first and save the kid's system from having to respond. Vaccinate too late and you end up with more children catching the real disease and really getting sick. A lot of work has gone into optimizing the schedule.

There are more shots now than a generation ago because we've been clever enough to develop vaccines for more things that used to harm many children. With some vaccines we may eventually end the disease and the need for that vaccination. We accomplished that with smallpox and the first vaccine, the one with the most side effects. Smallpox and its vaccines (we have improved, safer ones now) came back in the news because atheist idiots in the old USSR may have let some escape and we can't trust their faithless denials. Polio should have been eradicated by now and that vaccination could now be stopped. One of its three types has been eradicated. But in this case pious idiots, especially in Nigeria and a few other Muslim countries, have delayed the end of polio by resisting vaccination. Progress has resumed and the battle against polio will probably still be won in a few years. Once passage of time has proved victory kids world wide can celebrate getting fewer shots! In countries, like ours, where polio has been well controlled they've switched from the stronger but riskier oral polio vaccine to the safer, but a bit weaker, injected polio vaccine. Fondly remembering my polio stricken grandfather I eagerly await polio's demise.

After polio measles is the next target for disease, and then vaccine, eradication and a lot of progress has already been made there. It used to kill millions, now this Dermatologist has only seen one case in 20+ years. Vaccinations, along with modern sanitation, are the most effective, and in spite of their higher current price tags the most cost effective, health interventions mankind has invented. If their price tags bother you complain to two groups. Secondly to the legal system parasites and primarily to overly concerned average citizens who demanded much more extensive, and expensive, safety testing. The older safety standards were much cheaper, and had produced effective vaccines with safety records that impressed the heck out of our grandparents. But society decided that child safety was worth spending even more money.

19 posted on 10/02/2010 11:48:03 AM PDT by JohnBovenmyer (Tear down that BARACK-ade!)
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To: aNYCguy

“The only thing that drove these diseases into countrywide remission is vaccines.”

Over time, populations will become more and more resistant to infections just as a natural course.

Vaccines are not the only way.


20 posted on 10/02/2010 12:02:02 PM PDT by webstersII
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To: JohnBovenmyer

Thanks, I appreciate your info. I was planning to begin some of his shots at the next appointment. Maybe I’ll do all.


21 posted on 10/02/2010 12:05:15 PM PDT by Spudx7
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To: aNYCguy
If you would stop and think for one second, you'd realized that the only reason immigrants might bring these diseases into the country is that they are less likely to have been vaccinated.

That's EXACTLY what I was thinking. If we don't control who is in the US and what their health and vaccination record is, we'll have to keep poisoning our kids with stronger vaccines. It's one of the best arguments for stopping the invasion and sending home those who are here illegally.

22 posted on 10/02/2010 12:32:53 PM PDT by grania
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To: Mase
This is a bigger part of the problem than open borders. The anti-vaccine crowd is larger than most people realize. Ship of fools.

Did I EVER say I was anti-vaccine? I'm anti having stronger, potentially dangerous vaccines to protect us from the invasion. The answer isn't to fight the diseases the invaders bring with them, it's to keep the invaders out of the US. We'll never keep up with new, more lethal diseases as they emerge if we don't control who's in the US.

Just like with swine flu. Instead of closing the border with Mexico when it first emerged and before it spread, we all had to put up with fear of a spreading disease, isolation situations, and the unknowns of a new vaccine. Why?....because obviously Mexicans are more important to this administration than are US citizens.

23 posted on 10/02/2010 12:38:46 PM PDT by grania
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To: oh8eleven

If you’d had a child who was severely vaccine-damaged, maybe you wouldn’t be so nasty.


24 posted on 10/02/2010 12:40:56 PM PDT by Politicalmom (A BIG TENT analogy isn’t the correct one. The correct one is a MAGNET.-Fred Thompson)
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To: metmom

Ping!!


25 posted on 10/02/2010 12:50:15 PM PDT by Politicalmom (A BIG TENT analogy isn’t the correct one. The correct one is a MAGNET.-Fred Thompson)
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To: Spudx7

If you have any more questions talk them over with doctors. They’ll have heard them all before many times and should have good answers. I have nothing against sometimes following emotions. They can guide us when there’s no time to think things through or when we lack the information to think things through. But emoting without thinking is potentially dangerous, so we must remain on alert. It’s the first step on the road to Democrats.


26 posted on 10/02/2010 1:06:21 PM PDT by JohnBovenmyer (Tear down that BARACK-ade!)
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To: Spudx7

I agree. I think we may be overwhelming kids with too many at once.

Also, I think it is foolish to think that any disease in all its forms has truly been “wiped out”. I question all the data from dictatorial regimes; and even whether wiping out a disease in all its forms is possible.

(IE, ceasing to vaccinate against smallpox may leave the next generation at risk.)


27 posted on 10/02/2010 1:41:37 PM PDT by CondorFlight (I)
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To: Politicalmom

Reality sux don’t it.


28 posted on 10/02/2010 4:56:27 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: exDemMom
That is a direct consequence of parents refusing to vaccinate their children.

Bullstuff!

The vaccine is not an immunization. It works 80% of the time, for 3-5 years. It confers some immunity some of the time, but not for long.

Every teenager and adult in this country, unless they have been revaccinated in the last 5 years, could easily contract whooping cough. So do NOT place blame on parents who didn't vaccinate their kids. There are more older people who have no immunity to pertussis than there are unvaccinated kids, by damn far.

Remember that freedom means you do not have to submit to vaccines, also.

29 posted on 10/02/2010 5:03:14 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Spudx7

Unless you have your baby in group daycare, I would NOT vaccinate her on the pediatric schedule. It is INSANE and just begging for autoimmune chronic conditions or worse. Never has this amount of neuro-adjuvants, viruses, preservatives, and media been injected into the helpless immune systems of our newborns.

Read Dr. Jay Gordon on vaccination. He has his own schedule for vaccinating. He is not a conservative but he IS conservative with our infants’ bodies, unlike some people here.

http://drjaygordon.com/category/vaccinations


30 posted on 10/02/2010 5:08:39 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Spudx7

the very same thing that happened to your two year old happened to two of my sons, you were lucky though, your daughter returned to normal. my boys will never be ‘normal’ again.

parents need to do their research, this is happening more and more frequently.


31 posted on 10/02/2010 5:13:28 PM PDT by sfimom
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To: Yaelle
The vaccine is not an immunization. It works 80% of the time, for 3-5 years. It confers some immunity some of the time, but not for long.

Every teenager and adult in this country, unless they have been revaccinated in the last 5 years, could easily contract whooping cough. So do NOT place blame on parents who didn't vaccinate their kids. There are more older people who have no immunity to pertussis than there are unvaccinated kids, by damn far.

Remember that freedom means you do not have to submit to vaccines, also.

The best information about the pertussis vaccine is here:

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/pertussis/default.htm#vacc

I have no idea how to make a link, but you can always copy and paste into the browser.

No vaccine is 100% effective, but the theory behind vaccinating as much of the population as possible for any specific disease is to reduce incidence to the point that even if one person does get sick despite vaccination, the chances of them coming into contact with other susceptible people are so low that an epidemic is effectively prevented.

It seems to be a fact of life that eliminating the spread of infectious disease has always taken priority over freedom. That's why Typhoid Mary was confined to a sanitorium from 1915 until her death in 1938, and why, prior to widespread vaccination, people with certain diseases were placed under quarantine in their houses, no contact with anyone allowed. If you send your kids to school, where they are in contact with other kids, the vaccination requirements are as much to protect the other kids as to protect yours. You simply do not have the freedom to place others' health or lives at jeapardy.

32 posted on 10/02/2010 6:06:23 PM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: oh8eleven

I guess I’m one of those so-called wakos!
After one of my girls had siezures for 3 days after her “BABY” shots which btw several other babies around that time also did. Though they tried hard to hush it up....MPMs talk!
I stopped with the vaccines until I was threatened (with the lie) that my twins couldn’t start school without them and boy-twin incurred all three kinds of measles from the measles!!!
Do you even know or for that matter CARE what’s in them or who makes them?
And you dare call me wako!


33 posted on 10/02/2010 9:06:47 PM PDT by bog trotter
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To: Mase

ship of FOOLS??
Count my doctor in..
When my son whacked his head on a dumpster in the schoolyard I took him in for stitches and when the DOCTOR asked if he’d had his shots and I said no, he replied ? Good for you, my nephew is permanently brain damaged form the DPT.


34 posted on 10/02/2010 9:11:52 PM PDT by bog trotter
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To: RogerFGay

I dunno, it seems this vaccine was pretty effective for many years.

There is an increasingly large pool of non-vaccinated adults and children in California, due, in part, to illgal immigration.

There’s also a number of parents who are declining vaccination for thier children , due to fear of autism.

I’ll bet that whooping cough is resurgent in those groups.


35 posted on 10/03/2010 1:27:49 AM PDT by happygrl (Continuing to predict that Obama will resign)
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To: bog trotter
And you dare call me wako!
Your reply speaks volumes.
36 posted on 10/03/2010 6:13:12 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: grania
Did I EVER say I was anti-vaccine?

Uh, when you said:

Vaccines are much more effective today than in the past and the population has fewer negative reactions to them than in the past. The very thing you fear has caused efficacy to improve and negative reactions to plummet.

37 posted on 10/03/2010 8:24:45 AM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: bog trotter
Count my doctor in..

Your doctor was pleased your son hadn't had a tetanus shot?

Looks like you guys are gonna need a bigger ship.

38 posted on 10/03/2010 8:26:32 AM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Mase
I'm still opposed in principle to needing more vaccines and stronger vaccines to counteract diseases that will just get worse. I can't believe that as the numbers of vaccines increase, the chance for interactions doesn't also increase.

Meanwhile we have an invader population, and unless the kids are in school, who knows what vaccinations they have had.

39 posted on 10/03/2010 11:40:59 AM PDT by grania
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To: neverdem

ping


40 posted on 10/03/2010 2:06:40 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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