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Scientists Re-Create High Temperatures From Big Bang
ABC News ^ | 2/16/2010 | Dan Vergano

Posted on 02/16/2010 1:36:08 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld

Atom smashers at a U.S. national lab have produced temperatures not seen since the Big Bang — 7.2 trillion degrees, or 250,000 times hotter than the sun's interior — in work re-creating the universe's first microseconds.

The results come from the 2.4-mile-wide Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider at the Department of Energy's Brookhaven (N.Y.) National Laboratory. Since 2000, scientists there have hurtled gold atoms together at nearly the speed of light. These smash-ups heat bubbles smaller than the center of an atom to about 40 times hotter than the center of an imploding supernova.

Scientists say the results have given them insight into the moments after the universe began 13.7 billion years ago.

"The Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider was designed to re-create conditions in the infant universe," Brookhaven's Steven Vigdor said at the American Physical Society meeting in Washington, D.C.

"These (collision) temperatures are hot enough to melt protons," Vigdor says, likely forming a soup of subatomic particles freed from the interior of atoms, called a "quark-gluon" plasma. "It is new and important evidence showing that an exotic form of matter, last seen in the Big Bang, has been formed," says physicist Thomas Cohen of the University of Maryland in College Park, who was not part of the experiment. "It is not quite a 'smoking gun' in that it is also

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KEYWORDS: atomsmasher; brookhavenlaboratory; cosmology; departmentofenergy; ioncollider; nuclearphysics; physics; science; stringtheory; theoreticalphysics; universe
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1 posted on 02/16/2010 1:36:09 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld
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To: sonofstrangelove

“Atom smashers at a U.S. national lab have produced temperatures not seen since the Big Bang — 7.2 trillion degrees.”

OK, if they recreated it - how come no new big bang.

Guess they were wrong again.


2 posted on 02/16/2010 1:38:36 PM PST by edcoil (If I had 1 cent for every dollar the government saved, Bill Gates and I would be friends.)
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To: sonofstrangelove

BAZINGA!


3 posted on 02/16/2010 1:38:43 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: sonofstrangelove

7.2 trillion. Isn’t that what AlGore said the temp was inside the earth?


4 posted on 02/16/2010 1:39:38 PM PST by Oldpuppymax
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To: sonofstrangelove

Boy that is almost as hot as the center of the earth according to Al Gore.


5 posted on 02/16/2010 1:39:53 PM PST by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: edcoil

>>OK, if they recreated it - how come no new big bang.<<

How do we know? For all we know the Universe was destroyed and an exact duplicate put in its place.


6 posted on 02/16/2010 1:40:07 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: edcoil

They only re-created it only to the few microseconds


7 posted on 02/16/2010 1:40:11 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("I have learned to use the word "impossible" with the greatest caution."-Dr.Wernher Von Braun)
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To: sonofstrangelove

So now that they have it what can they do with it.

It’s too hot to pop popcorn.


8 posted on 02/16/2010 1:40:23 PM PST by Venturer
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To: sonofstrangelove

Do they have any contingency plans just in case this thing gets out of hand ?


9 posted on 02/16/2010 1:42:04 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: Jim from C-Town

I guess he knows, he’s been there.


10 posted on 02/16/2010 1:42:50 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: edcoil
OK, if they recreated it - how come no new big bang. Guess they were wrong again.

The temperature was probably confined to a much smaller space than the Big Bang. Besides, the Big Bang was more than just temperature.

A nuclear bomb puts out as much heat as the sun, but we don't fire up a new sun every time we light one off.

11 posted on 02/16/2010 1:48:18 PM PST by SlowBoat407 (Social Justice is the goal of all liberal legislation.)
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To: American Constitutionalist

Yes, they do. I have never heard of an accident at these “atom smasher” facilities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safety_of_particle_collisions_at_the_Large_Hadron_Collider


12 posted on 02/16/2010 1:48:25 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("I have learned to use the word "impossible" with the greatest caution."-Dr.Wernher Von Braun)
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To: sonofstrangelove

You can’t read things like this and believe them, anymore.

You have to consider whether the scientist is motivated by grants or politics or both. Or you have to wonder if their source is a college kid backpacking in Europe.


13 posted on 02/16/2010 1:49:39 PM PST by ryan71 (Let's Roll!)
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To: edcoil
OK, if they recreated it - how come no new big bang.

That's where the 57th State came from.

14 posted on 02/16/2010 1:50:13 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: sonofstrangelove

I’m hardly a Luddite, but I’ve got a feeling this isn’t going to end well.


15 posted on 02/16/2010 1:51:42 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: ryan71

I believe it. The most interesting thing to come out of this is will be the development of a micro black hole.


16 posted on 02/16/2010 1:51:55 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("I have learned to use the word "impossible" with the greatest caution."-Dr.Wernher Von Braun)
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To: sonofstrangelove

...they also re-created the Prime Mover.

big deal
proves nothing


17 posted on 02/16/2010 1:53:58 PM PST by woollyone (I believe God created me- you believe you're related to monkeys. Of course I laughed at you!)
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To: sonofstrangelove

How do you dissipate 7.2 trillion degrees?


18 posted on 02/16/2010 1:54:55 PM PST by TalBlack
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To: freedumb2003
For all we know the Universe was destroyed and an exact duplicate put in its place.

Was it replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable?

19 posted on 02/16/2010 1:55:19 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: edcoil

Your statement makes no sense. No one claims that the high temperature *caused* the Big Bang, only that the temperatures were PRESENT at the time of the Big Bang.

You are putting the cart before the horse. That’s like a painter mixing colors together to get a hue that is in the Mona Lisa and you wondering when another Mona Lisa did not spontaneously erupt from the mixture.


20 posted on 02/16/2010 1:58:47 PM PST by bolobaby
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To: antiRepublicrat

>>Was it replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable?<<

Long ago. But I am sure you are too Hoopy a Frood to have let it bother you.

I suggest we go out and win awards.


21 posted on 02/16/2010 1:59:22 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: sonofstrangelove

I hope they used sun screen.


22 posted on 02/16/2010 1:59:51 PM PST by massmike (...So this is what happens when OJ's jury elects the president....)
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To: bolobaby; edcoil

when=why in last post


23 posted on 02/16/2010 2:00:22 PM PST by bolobaby
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To: freedumb2003

Or another universe was created.


24 posted on 02/16/2010 2:03:15 PM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: TalBlack

My guess is through the Laws of Thermodynamics


25 posted on 02/16/2010 2:03:25 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("I have learned to use the word "impossible" with the greatest caution."-Dr.Wernher Von Braun)
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To: R. Scott

This was just a collision of the branes


26 posted on 02/16/2010 2:09:32 PM PST by jesseam (Been there, done that)
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To: sonofstrangelove
Al Gore: Earth's Interior 'Extremely Hot, Several Million Degrees'

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009/11/18/al-gore-earths-interior-extremely-hot-several-million-degrees

It's actually several THOUSAND as any high school kid knows!

27 posted on 02/16/2010 2:27:41 PM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: TalBlack
How do you dissipate 7.2 trillion degrees?

The amount of mass involved was miniscule, the specific heat of a gluon quark mixture is a little hard to calculate (I'm not sure how many degrees of freedom are involved) but if we assume it's about the same as the original nucleus, one mole of gold is 6 x 10^23 atoms ~ 200 grams, so there was enough energy to raise the temperature of 200 grams, about half a pound, of gold, by about 10^-11 degrees (7.2 x 10^12 / 6 x 10^23) Celcius. Approximately equal to the amount of CO2 induced global warming since 1900.

28 posted on 02/16/2010 2:31:58 PM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (The naked casuistry of the high priests of Warmism would make a Jesuit blush.)
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To: TalBlack
How do you dissipate 7.2 trillion degrees?

With one big-ass fan.


29 posted on 02/16/2010 2:33:42 PM PST by reagan_fanatic (The liberals are asking us to give Obama more time. Is 25 to life enough?)
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To: sonofstrangelove

let’s see, billions of years ago a bunch of gold atoms smashed into ech other and made a universe. interesting. with what instrument do you measure 7 trillion degrees? just wondering.


30 posted on 02/16/2010 2:44:29 PM PST by stuckinloozeeana
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To: TalBlack
Since it is only in an area smaller than an atomic nucleus, all you have to do is wait a microsecond. Light flies out in all directions carrying away the energy.
31 posted on 02/16/2010 2:44:47 PM PST by JasonC
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To: ETL

The temperature at the inner core is about 9800 degrees F and the pressure in Earth’s inner core is about 330 to 360 gigapascals


32 posted on 02/16/2010 2:46:46 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("I have learned to use the word "impossible" with the greatest caution."-Dr.Wernher Von Braun)
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To: stuckinloozeeana

Scientists use the Kelvin unit of measure.


33 posted on 02/16/2010 2:47:37 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("I have learned to use the word "impossible" with the greatest caution."-Dr.Wernher Von Braun)
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To: freedumb2003

“For all we know the Universe was destroyed and an exact duplicate put in its place.”

Odd, I feel like I’ve been living in an alternate reality for the past year.


34 posted on 02/16/2010 2:49:36 PM PST by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: sonofstrangelove
I believe it. The most interesting thing to come out of this is will be the development of a micro black hole.

I remember reading that there are other potentially dangerous hypothetical things, that could be created at these high energies. I think they are called stranglets and monopoles.
35 posted on 02/16/2010 2:59:38 PM PST by ZX12R
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To: sonofstrangelove

>The temperature at the inner
>core is about 9800 degrees F

The core-mantle boundary was just re-estimated to be about 6,600 degrees F.

From 2007, NationalGeograhic.com...

“New high-resolution seismic images have produced the best estimate to date of the temperature of Earth’s extremely deep interior, researchers report.

Using a method initially developed for oil and gas exploration, the scientists studied the core-mantle boundary, a region that lies about 1,860 miles (3,000 kilometers) below the planet’s surface....”

“Reporting in tomorrow’s issue of the journal Science, the team calculated that the temperature of the region is 3,950 Kelvin, plus or minus 200.

This translates to a fiery 6,650 degrees Fahrenheit (3,677 degrees Celsius)—which is actually lower than previous predictions.”

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/03/070329-earth-core.html


Al Gore: Earth’s Interior “Extremely Hot, Several Million Degrees”

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009/11/18/al-gore-earths-interior-extremely-hot-several-million-degrees


36 posted on 02/16/2010 3:05:36 PM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: ZX12R

Another of these potentially hazardous things to come out of these temperatures is something called strange matter.Strange matter is a particular form of quark matter, usually thought of as a ‘liquid’ of up, down, and strange quarks. Theoretically, strange matter only exist inside neutron stars where the pressure and temperature is extremely high


37 posted on 02/16/2010 3:06:10 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("I have learned to use the word "impossible" with the greatest caution."-Dr.Wernher Von Braun)
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To: ETL

Ok. I did not know that. As we are getting to know the forces of our planet this change.


38 posted on 02/16/2010 3:07:21 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("I have learned to use the word "impossible" with the greatest caution."-Dr.Wernher Von Braun)
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To: stuckinloozeeana
interesting. with what instrument do you measure 7 trillion degrees? just wondering.

I don't think it's a measured temperature, just calculated. Probably from the amount of light generated.
39 posted on 02/16/2010 3:07:52 PM PST by ZX12R
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To: sonofstrangelove
Another of these potentially hazardous things to come out of these temperatures is something called strange matter

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40 posted on 02/16/2010 3:15:57 PM PST by ZX12R
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To: ZX12R

If the object is radiating at a higher temperature than its surroundings, then power transfer will be taking place and power will be radiating from warm to cold following the principle stated in the Second Law of Thermodynamics.


41 posted on 02/16/2010 3:16:13 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("I have learned to use the word "impossible" with the greatest caution."-Dr.Wernher Von Braun)
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To: ZX12R

Its a possibility. It can destroy this planet.


42 posted on 02/16/2010 3:17:56 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("I have learned to use the word "impossible" with the greatest caution."-Dr.Wernher Von Braun)
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You also need to remember that many of the laws of the universe really cease to apply at these temperatures.


43 posted on 02/16/2010 3:21:25 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("I have learned to use the word "impossible" with the greatest caution."-Dr.Wernher Von Braun)
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To: sonofstrangelove

You know what’s especially difficult to comprehend with the Big Bang scenario is that it claims that the entire universe began from a point millions, if not billions, of times smaller than the head of a pin. Yet when you look out deep into the universe, you’re seeing back into time, in theory ultimately back to the “beginning” of time, a time when the universe was millions, if not billions, of times smaller than the head of a pin. But how can you look 14 billion light years in ANY direction and be seeing a practically infinitely small point??


44 posted on 02/16/2010 3:23:22 PM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: ETL

Thats a question physicists has been trying to answer. But as technology improves maybe there will be an answer.


45 posted on 02/16/2010 3:26:28 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("I have learned to use the word "impossible" with the greatest caution."-Dr.Wernher Von Braun)
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Thanks sonofstrangelove.

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46 posted on 02/16/2010 3:32:33 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Happy New Year! Freedom is Priceless.)
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To: sonofstrangelove

Well, they’d basically say that space-time itself “inflated” and that we are all inside this really really humongous “head of a pin”. Or something like that anyway. Crazy stuff. But whatever is truly going on, it’s probably beyond our wildest imaginations.


47 posted on 02/16/2010 3:32:36 PM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: ETL
But how can you look 14 billion light years in ANY direction and be seeing a practically infinitely small point??

Your question reminds me of the old adage "If there are an infinite number of stars, why is the sky dark?".
48 posted on 02/16/2010 3:33:12 PM PST by ZX12R
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To: ETL

I agree with you.


49 posted on 02/16/2010 3:35:20 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("I have learned to use the word "impossible" with the greatest caution."-Dr.Wernher Von Braun)
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To: ZX12R

olber’s paradox?


50 posted on 02/16/2010 3:35:31 PM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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