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UK health system hits back at US critics
The Associated Press ^ | August 12, 2009 | Raphael G. Satter

Posted on 08/12/2009 5:07:30 PM PDT by GoldStandard

Britain's health care service says it is sick of being lied about.

Pilloried by right-wing critics of President Barack Obama's health care plan, Britain's National Health Service, known here as the NHS, is fighting back.

"People have been saying some untruths in the States," a spokesman for Britain Department of Health said in a telephone interview. "There's been all these ridiculous claims made by the American health lobby about Obama's health care plan ... and they've used the NHS as an example. A lot of it has been untrue."

He spoke anonymously in line with department policy.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: 2009; healthcare; obama

1 posted on 08/12/2009 5:07:31 PM PDT by GoldStandard
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To: GoldStandard

Foreigners can shut up now.


2 posted on 08/12/2009 5:08:58 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: GoldStandard; John Semmens

“He spoke anonymously in line with department policy.”

What a gem - how does one satirize this? Where is John Semmens when you need him?


3 posted on 08/12/2009 5:13:18 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: GoldStandard

If the UK’s Daniel Hannah himself came on Hannity’s show multiple times to explain how it worked and he bluntly said: “do not be like the British healthcare”, that in itself was vindication that the Uk system may work for freeloaders, but the system itself is broken.

and dont get me started with the canadian HC.


4 posted on 08/12/2009 5:21:21 PM PDT by max americana
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To: GoldStandard
"How dare the Republicans bad-mouth our free health care system?" The Guardian columnist Michele Hanson wrote Wednesday. 'If I'd been born in the U.S., I'd probably be dead by now'."

FREE???? Wow, now that IS news. I wonder what else in Britain is free...

5 posted on 08/12/2009 5:22:43 PM PDT by justkate
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To: GoldStandard

Sorry Britain your system is modeled by no one but Cuba. A lot of countries have single payer systems which are bad enough, but yours is the only country in the developed world that has a truly socialized system where all health care services and providers with the exception of a few private clinics, are operated by the Government.

Your system is despicably evil.


6 posted on 08/12/2009 5:26:39 PM PDT by spikeytx86 (Pray for Democrats for they have been brainwashed by their fruity little club.)
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To: GoldStandard

NHS is fighting back??

What its 40+ million customers didn’t stand up to defend them?? Why is that I wonder?


7 posted on 08/12/2009 5:26:59 PM PDT by GeronL (http://unitedcitizen.blogspot -Guilty of deviationism- http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: aquila48
He spoke anonymously in line with department policy.

He spoke anonymously because department policy permits employees to speak on behalf of the department but they must do so anonymously...or did he speak anonymously because he is not authorized to speak by department policy. As an interested reader, it makes a difference to me. Right!

8 posted on 08/12/2009 5:30:24 PM PDT by USMA '71 ((Re-elect no one!))
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To: GoldStandard

These guys are great.

They acted like we have no access to the newspapers in the UK.

LOL


9 posted on 08/12/2009 5:34:02 PM PDT by Daisyjane69 (Michael Reagan: "Welcome back, Dad, even if you're wearing a dress and bearing children this time)
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To: GoldStandard

So someone from the British NH Mess called some reporter in the USA anonymously, to kvetch.


10 posted on 08/12/2009 5:34:07 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Democrat Party: a criminal organization masquerading as a political party)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

They want us to be as miserable as they are.


11 posted on 08/12/2009 5:39:25 PM PDT by Linda Frances
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To: HiTech RedNeck

They want us to be as miserable as they are.


12 posted on 08/12/2009 5:39:32 PM PDT by Linda Frances
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To: Linda Frances
They want us to be as miserable as they are.

Which got me to thinking. Since the UK is known for incredibly bad dental care, I don't believe I've seen anywhere what DeathCare has in store for those of us who'd like to keep our teeth.

Oh, yeah, I forgot....if Granny is a short-timer, there's really no reason for her to worry her cute little grey head over her choppers--I suppose oatmeal goes pretty well with those pain pills....

13 posted on 08/12/2009 6:01:25 PM PDT by Mygirlsmom (Obama's been in Washington over 100 days and all I got was this lousy economy.)
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To: spikeytx86
Sorry Britain your system is modeled by no one but Cuba. A lot of countries have single payer systems which are bad enough, but yours is the only country in the developed world that has a truly socialized system where all health care services and providers with the exception of a few private clinics, are operated by the Government.


Not exactly - the NHS is so inefficient that an entire private provider network exists to get quicker doctor visits - this is not free, of course.

BUPA exists as the insurance provider —

http://www.bupa.co.uk/heartbeat/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bupa

Everyone seems to ignore this parallel (extra cost) system when talking about the NHS. I believe they are mostly the same doctors, but existing under a sceond payer scheme. A family member had a 5 week wait for a MRI scan, but it was reduced to three days by "going private" and paying for a visit - and it even appears it was on the same MRI machine.

I would put it close to Barry 0’s comment on UPS/FedEx vs. the Post Office he made yesterday...:^)

Perhaps an English FR person can elaborate?

14 posted on 08/12/2009 6:06:42 PM PDT by az_gila (AZ - need less democrats - one Governor down... more to go.)
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To: GoldStandard
Britain's health care service says it is sick of being lied about.

Fair enough.

Let's hear it straight from the Brits.

The Times.UK: Waiting list crisis as NHS cuts costs ........ Drastic cost-cutting ordered by the Government across the NHS has derailed its flagship policy to ensure that no patient waits longer than 18 weeks for hospital treatment. ...... The figures showed that most specialities treat between 30 and 50 per cent of inpatients within 18 weeks. In trauma and orthopaedics the figure is only 20 per cent.

Yet, the liberals cite "rankings" of health systems that puts the U.S. way down the list because U.S. care is not "free".

In the U.S., even the uninsured get timely care. I may not get paid for the health care I provide them but they get cared for ..... right after their accident ..... not 18 weeks later.

15 posted on 08/12/2009 6:11:55 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: GoldStandard

Ignore all those lies about British health care!

16 posted on 08/12/2009 6:24:01 PM PDT by Nateman (If liberals aren't screaming you're doing it wrong.)
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To: BunnySlippers

I was on the NHS system and I can tell you it was worst than crap! They refused to treat my child’s infection and I had to return to the States to get medicine, and guess what? The medication I got in America was for FREE!

I get so sick and tired of left wing idiots crying that people are being denied basic care in America. In fact it’s quite the opposite.


17 posted on 08/12/2009 7:00:16 PM PDT by dragonblustar ("... and if you disagree with me, then you sir, are worse than Hitler!" - Greg Gutfeld)
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To: GoldStandard
"How dare the Republicans bad-mouth our free health care system?"

FREE?! Is isn't free you moron and that's the point! Not to mention the freedom thing (which, when I think about it, I don't really expect a Brit to understand). Socialism is insidious.
18 posted on 08/12/2009 7:56:59 PM PDT by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: Mygirlsmom

“Since the UK is known for incredibly bad dental care,”

It is always curious the American comic obsession with British ‘bad’ teeth. Incidentally, I’ve watched on the news today a number of people cite British teeth as a reason to oppose nationalised medicine. There are many reasons to oppose socialised medicine but British Dental Care isn’t one of them! Dental care in the UK is one area of health care that is now predominantly delivered through private practice - so in many ways that argument is self defeating. I’d stick to pointing out the cost in tax and the service provided for that money and comparing it to what you could expect for a similarly funded private plan.


19 posted on 08/14/2009 6:32:06 AM PDT by Brit_Guy
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To: az_gila

“Not exactly - the NHS is so inefficient that an entire private provider network exists to get quicker doctor visits - this is not free, of course.

BUPA exists as the insurance provider —

http://www.bupa.co.uk/heartbeat/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bupa

Everyone seems to ignore this parallel (extra co
st) system when talking about the NHS. Perhaps an English FR person can elaborate?


This is correct. I pay 40% of my earning in income tax (plus another 10% in various other local taxes and compulsary national insurance schemes) - and for that I get included the NHS cover. However, I also chose to pay an extra £1300 (about $2000 a year) for additional private health cover. If I had cancer or a serious accident- I would get great care on the NHS. However, for more mundane and more common health ailments you get a poor service and I feel obliged in the interest of my family to pay the extra to get the level of healthcare and speed of access to healthcare that I want them to have.

One of the weird things over here is that if you let slip in conversation that you have additional private healthcare in some circles that is considered deeply unpatriotic!


20 posted on 08/14/2009 6:42:02 AM PDT by Brit_Guy
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