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Poland Fears Betrayal
IBD Editorials ^ | March 23, 2009

Posted on 03/23/2009 5:53:49 PM PDT by Kaslin

Alliances: The U.S. has expressed a willingness to barter away missile defense sites in Poland and the Czech Republic. Now the Polish foreign minister says he hopes his country doesn't regret trusting the United States.


The Brussels Forum is a privately organized high-level meeting of the most influential North American and European political, corporate and intellectual leaders to address pressing challenges currently facing both sides of the Atlantic.

One of the pressing issues discussed at this year's conference was whether the U.S. is serious about bartering away plans for missile defense sites in Poland and the Czech Republic in exchange for vague Russian promises of using its influence on Iran regarding its move toward developing nuclear warheads to put on its long-range missiles.

On Sunday, Polish Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski noted that Poland had taken "something of a political risk" in agreeing to the deployment of 10 ground-based interceptors on its territory. "When we started discussing this with the United States," he said, "the U.S. assured us they would persuade the Russians that it was purely defensive and it would be a noncontroversial decision."

Now we are wishing the Iranians, whose missiles our ground-based interceptors are designed to intercept, a Happy New Year and suggesting to the Russians that if they can do something about Iran's nuclear and missile programs, we would reconsider our missile defense plans and saw off the limb our Czech and Polish allies have climbed out on.

Defense Secretary Robert Gates did not ease our allies' fears when he said at a NATO meeting in Krakow, Poland, on Feb. 20, "I told the Russians a year ago that if there were no Iranian missile program, there would be no need for the missile sites."

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: aegis; appeasement; betrayal; bho44; bhodefense; bhotreason; defense; defenseless; disarmament; easterneurope; ibd; iran; letdownyoyrguard; missile; missiledefense; missiledefenseagency; munich; nationalsecurity; nato; ncleariran; obama; poland; robertgates; sdi; starwars; surrender; treason; treyobering; ukraine; yalta

1 posted on 03/23/2009 5:53:50 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Obama and the dems sure know how to ruin things. :( We’re gonna lose our good allies one at a time if the DNC keeps going the direction they’re going.


2 posted on 03/23/2009 5:55:33 PM PDT by PureSolace (Trust in God)
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To: Kaslin
Poland Fears Betrayal

With Obama in charge, their fears are well founded. ;-)

3 posted on 03/23/2009 5:56:27 PM PDT by doc1019 (Idiocy is as Obama does)
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To: Kaslin

Yeah, but the French like us now.


4 posted on 03/23/2009 5:57:32 PM PDT by Jaxter (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum.)
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To: Kaslin

Poland fears betrayal....

There is a reason.


5 posted on 03/23/2009 5:58:23 PM PDT by Radix (Two down, 46 to go.)
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To: Kaslin
Giving up missile defense for the hope of Russia's help dealing with Iran?

I don't really trust Raytheon gear to perform as advertised, but I still trust Raytheon infinitely more than Putin.

6 posted on 03/23/2009 5:59:05 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Kaslin
I can't blame the Polish for thinking otherwise.

Plan according Poland.

7 posted on 03/23/2009 5:59:13 PM PDT by TYVets
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To: Kaslin

This just makes me SICK!!! Can we impeach this idiot, yet?


8 posted on 03/23/2009 5:59:46 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Obama dozed.....people froze.)
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To: doc1019
Poland Fears Betrayal

So do a lot of Americans.

9 posted on 03/23/2009 6:00:15 PM PDT by Maceman
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To: Kaslin
Now the Polish foreign minister says he hopes his country doesn't regret trusting the United States

The United States and it sane people are on your side. Its the Communist government of Obama that wants to do you in and side with his friends in the Muslim/Communist world.

10 posted on 03/23/2009 6:01:03 PM PDT by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli now reads "Oil the gun..eat the cannolis.")
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To: Kaslin

I know I’m going to be accused of beating a dead horse but really, 4 months isn’t that long ago and this election of Obummer is such a disaster, on so many levels, on so many fronts, that it’s worth looking back and asking how and why.

How could McStupid lose to this commie crud?

Why did it happen?

McStupid threw the election. Plain and simple. He threw it in the name of bipartisanship. And in the name of bipartisanship he refused to predict the obvious:

Economic disaster. Military dismemberment. Global surrender.

It didn’t take a genius to win last November against Commie Obama... it just took the courage to stand up and say:

He will do this. He will do that. You will be sorry.

Instead, McStupid lectured his own followers (and boy were we stupid!) about how they must be nice and say nice things about the stinking commie traitor Obama.

McStupid.

He’s the reason we’re in this mess. And it’s a deep, dark terrible mess.


11 posted on 03/23/2009 6:01:57 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: Kaslin

Sorry, Poland, but you will be betrayed.

The Democrats are in charge now, so it is dangerous to be an American ally.

You will be following in the path of South Vietnam, Iran and others who had the misfortune to trust us and then have a Democrat stab them in the back. And behind you will be the next on the betrayal list, those who have helped us when we needed it in the War on Terror - Australia, Canada, Netherlands, and Britain.

Oops - Britain already got a taste of it with Obama’s treatment of Gordon Brown.


12 posted on 03/23/2009 6:03:02 PM PDT by oldbill
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To: Kaslin
"We hope we don't regret our trust in the United States..."

The Germans did. They allowed the U.S. to place INF missiles in Germany in spite of widespread opposition, only to see them yanked out again 5 years later.

Problem is, a country like Poland has no choice but to trust the U.S., even if we have a very uneven track record for sticking to our friends. Obama will throw the Polacks under the bus in a heartbeat if it means playing kissy face with the Russians.

I hope I'm wrong about this.

BTW, am I the only one who feels guilty about abandoning Georgia?

13 posted on 03/23/2009 6:04:42 PM PDT by Batrachian
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To: Kaslin

Poland Fears Betrayal....for obvious and very good reasons.


14 posted on 03/23/2009 6:06:30 PM PDT by bpjam (Tell your Rep/Senator to Google: Marjorie Mezvinsky. Yes, it IS a threat.)
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To: Kaslin
I wish I could think of something re-assuring we could say to Poland, but to be honest, yes, Obama will most likely sell you out. Pleae keep your powder dry.
15 posted on 03/23/2009 6:11:26 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Kaslin
I wish I could think of something re-assuring we could say to Poland, but to be honest, yes, Obama will most likely sell you out. Please keep your powder dry.
16 posted on 03/23/2009 6:11:42 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Kaslin
Face it people, the United States of America is a paper tiger and a has-been. We have made a fatal mistake which can only end in bloodshed, one way or the other. From now until this country finally has the plug pulled on it, any country would be as suicidal as we apparently are to trust anything coming out of this administration. Those allies that don't grasp this reality are going to suffer as much in the end as the American people will.

We have dug our own graves. I will not go down without a fight. What bothers me the most, however, is that we have absolutely betrayed the younger generation, who will be either dead or slaves. And we have also made a mockery out of everything all those brave American soldiers died for in the past.

17 posted on 03/23/2009 6:16:01 PM PDT by MGMSwordsman
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To: bpjam

You’d think they’d be used to it by now.


18 posted on 03/23/2009 6:17:09 PM PDT by Mountain Troll (Barak Obama - just another affirmative action government hire living in public housing)
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To: Jaxter
Yeah, but the French like us now.

I wouldn't go that far..... Obami isn't in good graces with them either. Seems he wrote a letter to Chirac saying he looks forward to working with [Chirac] him.... Only problem is Sarkozy is the president now.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2212290/posts

19 posted on 03/23/2009 6:23:08 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy Saints surrounded)
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To: doc1019
With Obama in charge, their fears are well founded.

It's sad that you are right.

20 posted on 03/23/2009 6:25:19 PM PDT by TurtleUp (Turtle up: cancel optional spending until 2012, and boycott TARP/stimulus companies forever!)
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To: Kaslin

I Saw Poland Betrayed by Arthur Bliss Lane
(New York: Bobbs-Merrill, 1948)

Déjà vu?

21 posted on 03/23/2009 6:29:02 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: doc1019

>>> With Obama in charge, their fears are well founded. ;-) <<<

With Obama in charge, ALL fears are well founded. :-(


22 posted on 03/23/2009 6:33:22 PM PDT by Poe White Trash
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To: Kaslin
Israel, Poland, UK and the American taxpayers are getting really crewed by this Muslime stealth terrorist.

Meanwhile he makes peace overtures to hardened terrorist states Syria, Iran and the Taliban and Al Queda, is there nothing that this evil man will not do??

23 posted on 03/23/2009 6:34:49 PM PDT by prophetic (God, let 0Bama and his evil plans for this country fail & let him be utterly disgraced like HAMAN!!)
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To: Kaslin

To Poland, the Czech Republic, et al. With 0bama in the Oval Office, your fears of betrayal are valid and warranted. 0bama is more interested in “resetting” the knob of relations with Russia, and yes, that does include betraying you.

55 million of us did NOT want this to come to pass. Just that there weren’t enough of us.

Sorry.


24 posted on 03/23/2009 6:55:54 PM PDT by ScottinVA (Christian and armed)
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To: Jaxter
Yeah, but the French like us now.

But The Obama insulted them too. He sent a note to the ex pres Chirac saying how he, Obama, looked forward to working with him for the next four years.

Can you imagine if Bush or Palin sent such a letter.

25 posted on 03/23/2009 7:16:36 PM PDT by RJL
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To: Don Corleone
" sane people are on your side."

Yes, but we are a minority.

26 posted on 03/23/2009 7:24:03 PM PDT by LZ_Bayonet (There's Always Something.............And there's always something worse!)
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To: Kaslin

Poor Poland. How were they to know when they were risking their lives to hasten the downfall of communism that they’d go running right into the arms of a country ready to embrace communism?

With friends like Obama, who needs Hitler?


27 posted on 03/23/2009 7:41:49 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (YES WE CAN have a Depression.)
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To: Kaslin

Obama is making us a stench in the nostrils of the world.


28 posted on 03/23/2009 7:48:37 PM PDT by keats5
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To: Kaslin
I thought the the Russians brilliantly played the opening Obama gave them to drive a wedge between us and eastern Europe. I'm sure Obama thought he was being clever by making what he thought was a confidential offer. The Russians publicly put a positive spin on Obama's initiative when they released the existence of the letter containing Obama's offer but their real reason was to put eastern Europe on notice that America could no longer be trusted.
29 posted on 03/23/2009 9:33:51 PM PDT by PTBAA
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To: Kaslin

Poland can trust the citizens of the United States.

Our current government, not so much.


30 posted on 03/23/2009 10:20:12 PM PDT by wastedyears (April 21st, 2009 - International Iron Maiden Day)
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To: Kaslin
[Article] Now we are wishing the Iranians, whose missiles our ground-based interceptors are designed to intercept, a Happy New Year and suggesting to the Russians that if they can do something about Iran's nuclear and missile programs, we would reconsider our missile defense plans ....

Actually, the Russians have already rebuffed our suggestion of a quid pro quo and told the world they're on Iran's side.

The Russians are not going to go out of their way to help the U.S. with a proven bad player.

31 posted on 03/24/2009 6:14:36 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: Kaslin
After Russia invaded Georgia George Bush sent the U.S. Navy into the Black Sea and delivered humanitarian aid to a Georgian Port. He was in essence daring the Russians to interfere.

Both sides knew that if the Russians attacked a U.S. vessel the action could escalate to a catastrophic level. A nuclear exchange could result in millions of U.S. and NATO casualties and massive economic and environmental damage. But modern-day Russia—to paraphrase Curtis LeMay—would be literally blasted back into the neolithic age.

This is the “diplomacy” that was used 24-7 for 50 years of the Cold War. What has changed is that nuclear parity has been replaced—for the forseeable future—by U.S. nuclear primacy.

32 posted on 03/24/2009 9:22:59 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee ("A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.")
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