Posted on 09/30/2008 10:12:46 AM PDT by george76
I completely disagree. I think they use Islam as a cover to confuse the West and to confuse genuine Muslims. And, in case you haven’t noticed, al-Qaida is just as adept at blowing up fellow Muslims as they are Christians and Jews. Given all the other evidence I have given you so far, doesn’t this pattern of behavior give you pause, or is your brainwashing at the hands of the Temple of Darwin COMPLETE?
The number one state sponsor of terrorism (Iran for those of you in Rio Linda) is an Islamic state.
In your idiotic and upsidedown world we should be looking for terrorist cells in Biology departments, not Mosques, and the founders of terrorist movements would be Biology teachers not Islamic Clerics.
Osama bin Lauden is a religious leader. He issues “fatwas” or religious edicts. His followers claim as their ideology Islam.
It was a radical Israeli Jew who killed Rabin. Should we conclude that he was not REALLY a Jew because he killed a Jew?
Stupidity knows no bounds.
We cannot know what is in their heart of hearts. We can only judge them by their actions and their words and their associates. Islamic, Islamic, and Islamic in the case of the 9-11 terrorists. It is conspiracy mongering to think that secretly in his lair Osama Bin Laden reads “the Origin of Species” and it is what truly informs his hatred and viciousness. But advancing such a proposition says a lot more about the one who does it than any approximation of reality. And then you say either I buy into the conspiracy that they are “double secret secularists” or I am brainwashed by the “Temple of Darwin”?
You are really funny! :)
You should know, Allmendream.
==It was a radical Israeli Jew who killed Rabin. Should we conclude that he was not REALLY a Jew because he killed a Jew?
Boy, you sure know how to pick’em, Allmendream. I take it you are unaware that the hard-left, secular socialists of Israel's Peace (read: surrender) Process Labor Party recruited Rabin's assassin into a false-flag “religious” hate group that they themselves created for the purposes of discrediting the religious right, Likud, and Israeli conservatives in general.
For more, see the following:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0CE0D61339F937A15752C1A963958260
Why are you refusing to challenge me on my assertion that Mohammad Atta, the ring leader of the 9-11 hijackers, was in fact a radical materialist revolutionary? Did you somehow overlook my obvious challenge, or are you just tired of being proved wrong over and over and over and over?
==In your idiotic and upsidedown world we should be looking for terrorist cells in Biology departments, not Mosques, and the founders of terrorist movements would be Biology teachers not Islamic Clerics.
Actually, you’re not too far off. The founders and many of the members of these terrorist groups are middle to upper class, usually have advanced degrees, were never particularly religious, and usually pickup their hate-America ideas from Western (Temple of Darwin) universities.
Hezbollah was founded by Islamic clerics not Biology teachers.
The 9-11 terrorists were not educated in Science. They were Creationist simpleton religious fanatics. Should sound really familiar to you. No wonder you dream up conspiracies where really they are secretly secular.
Atta attended a radical Islamic Mosque, the “Al Quds” Mosque. He associated and worked with an Islamic cleric, Osama bin Lauden, who issued religious edicts “fatwas” that encouraged the “religious duty” of killing Americans and Jews.
Atta didn't get radicalized at Hamburg Universities Engineering department. He got radicalized at Al Quds Mosque.
Your conspiracy mongering would have investigators looking in the wrong place. Luckily nobody takes that “secular” idiocy seriously and they all knew to look at his radical Mosque.
==Your assertions about Mohammad Atta are as off base as everything else you say.
In 1972, the Kremlin decided to turn the whole Islamic world against Israel and the U.S. As KGB chairman Yury Andropov told me, a billion adversaries could inflict far greater damage on America than could a few millions. We needed to instill a Nazi-style hatred for the Jews throughout the Islamic world, and to turn this weapon of the emotions into a terrorist bloodbath against Israel and its main supporter, the United States. No one within the American/Zionist sphere of influence should any longer feel safe.
—Lt. General Ion Mihai Pacepa is the highest-ranking intelligence officer ever to have defected from the former Soviet bloc. His book Red Horizons has been republished in 27 countries.
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NjUzMGU4NTMyOTdkOTdmNTA1MWJlYjYyZDliODZkOGM=
In an interview for Front Page Magazine, the former Chief of the Romanian communist Intelligence Service, Ion Mihai Pacepa, said that he was personally told by KGB Chairman Yuri Andropov that the Soviet intelligence services control and direct all friendly Muslim states’ intelligence services and, through these, Russian espionage is able to conduct its operations throughout the Arab world in secrecy.
http://www.jrnyquist.com/cibulka_2004_0829.htm
During our meeting last year with former Czech Intelligence Service [BIS] Capt. Vladimir Hucin, in response to my question whether it is true that 9/11 hijacker Mohammad Atta was trained at the Zastavka terrorist training camp in Czechoslovakia in 1988-89, what was Hucin’s answer and how do you rate his credibility?
Capt. Vladimir Hucin confirmed that Mohammad Atta was, indeed, trained by the Czech communists in 1988-89. Hucin worked in the counter-terrorism and political extremism section of the counter-espionage department of the Czech intelligence service (BIS).
http://www.jrnyquist.com/cibulka_2004_0829.htm
Question:
More than three years have passed since the putative meeting in Prague between hijacker Mohammed Atta and Iraq Consul al-Ani. What has the CIA, FBI, Czech intelligence (BIS) and other intelligence services established about the activities of the alleged participants at this meeting?
Answer:
1) Ahmad Khalil Ibrahim Samir al-Ani served as consul at Iraq’s embassy in Prague between March 1999 and April 21, 2001 and he was activity involved in agent-handling during this period.
2) Mohammed Atta applied for a visa to visit the Czech Republic on May 26, 2000 in Bonn, Germany. According to Czech visa records, Atta identified himself as being a “Hamburg student.” Since a visa was not necessary to catch a Czech plane to the US, Czech intelligence concluded he had business in the Czech Republic.
3) Just prior to leaving for the U.S., Atta made 2 trips to the Czech Republic in 2000. The first was on May 30, where he went without a visa to the transit lounge of Prague International Airport; the second was by bus to Prague on June 2 with visa BONN200005260024.
4) On April 4, 2001, Atta checked out of the Diplomat Inn in Virginia Beach and cashed a check for $8,000 from a SunTrust account, according to the FBI. Atta was not seen again in America by any witness before April 11, 2001.
5) Al-Ani scheduled a meeting in April with a “Hamburg student” according to an appointment calendar subsequently turned up by Czech intelligence in a surreptitious search of the Iraq Embassy (presumably after the defeat of Iraq in April 2003.)
6) Al-Ani was observed meeting a young Arab-speaking man on the outskirts of Prague at about 11 am on April 9th by a watcher for Czech counterintelligence.
7) Al-Ani was expelled from Prague less than 2 weeks after that meeting.
8) After seeing Atta’s picture on September 11th, the Czech watcher identified the Arab-speaking man meeting al-Ani as Mohammed Atta.
9 ) Al-Ani denied that he met Atta , as did the Baghdad government. Al-Ani repeated that denial after he was detained by U.S. forces in July 2003.
10 ) According to George Tenet testimony before a Joint Committee of Congress (June 18, 2002): “Atta allegedly traveled outside the US in early April 2001 to meet with an Iraqi intelligence officer in Prague, we are still working to confirm or deny this allegation. It is possible that Atta traveled under an unknown alias since we have been unable to establish that Atta left the US or entered Europe in April 2001 under his true name or any known aliases.”
11) Subsequently, Spanish intelligence found evidence that Algerians Khaled Madani and Moussa Laouar provided false passports to Mohamed Atta and his associate Ramzi bin al-Shibh.
http://www.edwardjayepstein.com/PragueApril2004.htm
In light of the above, what are the odds???:
NEW YORK - The only videotape known to have captured both planes slamming into the World Trade Center, and only the second image of the first strike, has surfaced on the eve of the second anniversary of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.
The footage, obtained by The New York Times, was taken by a Czech immigant construction worker whose son at one point came close to accidentally erasing the rare, chilling footage, the newspaper reported on its Web site Saturday.
Mohammad Atta was a Muslim. He met his fellow 9-11 conspirators at the Al Quds Mosque. The imam of the Mosque and Osama bin Lauden preached the same brand of Jihad. The 9-11 terrorists took their marching orders and pay from an Islamic imam who issued religious edicts saying it was the religious duty of all Muslims to kill Americans and Jews.
One must engage in conspiracy mongering to think this guy and his compatriots (who he met at a Mosque) were somehow secular.
There are obviously no depths to which you will not go to deny this reality.
Are you now saying that 9-11 was not a conspiracy?
To propose that secretly Osama bin Lauden reads “the Origin of Species” not the Quran is nutty conspiracy tin hat nonsense; about par for the course with you. Your a conspiracy theorist.
Personally, I think you are too timid to follow the evidence wherever it might lead, as you are now starting to realize that the trail leads back to militant anti-Theist revolutionaries. And in case you missed it, Ion Pacepa, the highest level defector to ever defect from the Soviet bloc, explicitly states that the Soviets made a concerted effort to foment a Nazi-style hatred against the West, and to turn that Nazi-style hatred into the terrorist bloodbath that we see today. Look what the Temple of Darwin (read: materialist zealots) hath wrought!
Blaming 9-11 on “the Temple of Darwin” just shows your own blind fanaticism.
There is obviously no depths of illogic and conspiracy that you will not delve into to try to claim that those following a Islamic cleric are somehow secular “Temple of Darwin fanatics” despite the 9-11 terrorists all being Islamic, meeting each other for the first time in a Mosque and following a religious principle called “Jihad”.
Islam is Creationist, therefore you have decided it must be a good and fine thing, and no “true Muslim” could EVER be a terrorist.
Keep telling yourself that.
Actually, it’s quite the other way around, blaming 9-11 on Creationists shows your blind fanatical devotion to the Temple of Darwin. Creationists celebrate life, whereas Darwinist/materialists celebrate conflict and death:
If chance be the Father of all flesh,
disaster is his rainbow in the sky,
and when you hear
State of Emergency!
Sniper Kills Ten!
Troops on Rampage!
Bomb Blasts School!
It is but the sound of man worshiping his maker.
That he is who he claims and who his followers believe is the default position. It is you who are off in the wilderness a lone voice crying out that he is secretly all about evolution and secularism.
I am not really devoted to much except God, Country, USAF, Science, Women, reading and freeping..... and I try not to be too fanatical about freeping. ;)
I can almost “right back at ya”:
I am not really devoted to much except God, Country, USMC, Creation Science, Politics, my wife, reading and freeping..... and I try not to be too fanatical about freeping, except of course when I have spare time. d:op
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