Posted on 09/30/2008 10:12:46 AM PDT by george76
A 24-year-old convert to Islam has been sentenced to 35 years in prison for plotting to blow off hand grenades in a crowded shopping mall during the Christmas season.
Federal Judge David Coar said Tuesday he didn't believe Shareef was evil. But he said people could have been severely hurt if federal agents hadn't broken up the plot.
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“Federal Judge David Coar said Tuesday he didn’t believe Shareef was evil”
Right judge, because people who wish to kill as many people as possible are doing it as a hobby.
Idiot.
Singing:
O Holy Crap!
Acorn just signed him up along with his Imam. Obama 08
I live 5 minutes from this mall. I remember when the story came out, the usual malarky came from the left. “Oh, he was a lone wolf, not connected to an organized group, incompetent, not a real threat..etc etc.
Glad to hear he will be in jail.
“But he said people could have been severely hurt....”
Not to mention....killed.
Clueless.
Yet another Clinton appointed judge (Oct 94’)
What??
No, seriously, WHAT!!???
How does that work, exactly . . . . blowing off hand grenades?? I'm not getting a real clear picture of this.
Is there an EDITOR in the house . . . . . anyone . . . . . . somebody who speaks, reads and understands English who can interpret what this supposed to say!!????
Chucking grenades into a crowded shopping mall isn’t evil and Clinton appointed judges aren’t competent.
Guess that judge or his family weren’t in the mall that day!
You and I just not as sensitive towards other cultures as this judge obviously is. Obviously the hand grenade holds a special place in Islam.
“Federal Judge David Coar said Tuesday he didn’t believe Shareef was evil.”
If killing a lot of children in a mall during Christmas isn’t evil, I’d sure like to hear his definition.
I get the feeling that a lot of leftists just don’t think human sacrifice in the name of a moon god is evil since there are so many islamics in the world. After all, if it’s a big ‘religion’, it can’t be evil right?
Maybe Coar can have the harmless yoot over for Hanukkah with the family.
But, but, they say it’s a RELIGION OF PEACE!!!!
(A conviction which was completely overturned by the SCOTUS, twice.)
Protesting abortion is racketeering, blowing up people in shopping malls is "not evil". David Coar is a Clinton appointee. Surprised?
And now you try to link some Nation of Islam terrorist with the mainstream religion of Islam? Do you go out of your way to select cases that prove my point? Do you know anything about the history of the organization (Nation of Islam) he belongs to? Would it surprise you to learn that the Nation of Islam was started by the Communists to provoke blacks into launching a war of national liberation against the USA? Did you know that, Allmendream? Somehow, I doubt it.
Hmmm. And what does bin Laden say?
“I'm fighting so I can die a martyr and go to heaven to meet God. Our fight now is against the Americans”
Sure doesn't sound secular to me.
Islamic Marxism is still Islamic. They don't say “Marx Akbar” when they cut off peoples heads and film it for their delighted audiences throughout the middle east; they say “Allah Akbar”.
Islamic Marxism is about as Islamic as Marxist-Leninist Liberation Theology is Catholic or Protestant. In either case, the Communists were adapting the message of revolution to penetrate otherwise hostile cultures.
I am sure that neither of us believe that a Muslim who saws a Jewish American's head off (for being a Jew and being an American, in that order) chanting “Allah Akbar” is a “good Muslim”.
The relevant question is... Does the Muslim believe that by sawing a Jewish Americans head off while chanting “Allah Akbar” he is being a “good Muslim”. And the answer is YES. He does think it his religious duty to saw the heads off Jewish Americans while chanting “Allah Akbar”, and this is a COMMON current within Islamic thought, witness the words of one of the most famous and influential Islamic cleric of our age.
“To kill the Americans and their allies — civilians and military — is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it, in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque [Jerusalem] and the holy mosque [Mecca] from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim.”
Osama bin Laden
Marxist-Leninist Liberation Theologians invoke the name of the Christian God to justify bloody Communist revolution and the destruction of the USA. Does the notion that Liberation Theology is not Christian also fall under the “no true Scutsman” falacy?
And yes. If anyone who claims to be Christian and claims salvation in his name, isn't a “true Christian” because you disagree with them (like perhaps Obama and the Rev. Wright) then THAT TOO is a “No true Scotsman” fallacy.
But why the attempted change of subject? Do Liberation Theologists cut the heads off people chanting “God is Great”? No they do not. However Islamists regularly cut peoples heads off chanting about “Allah” being great.
Your position is that anybody who does anything reprehensible couldn't possibly be religious. That is a sterling example of the “no true Scotsman” fallacy.
==Your notion that Islamic terrorists are not Islamic, despite them claiming to be Islamic, and following the clear words of Islamic clerics is clearly in error.
I didn’t say that Muslim terrorists cannot be Islamic. I simply pointed out that upon closer inspection many of them have turned out to be secular Communists and Socialists. And while I don’t agree with Pape’s stupid Ron Paul-esque foreign policy conclusions, I certainly DO agree with the data—namely, that 71% of Hezbollah suicide bombers turned out to be communist/socialist revolutionaries. Nor do I think it an accident that Hezbollah grew out of a movement known as Islamic Marxism that was started and controlled by the Soviets for the purposes of infiltrating Islam. Nor do I think it an accident that Hezbollah puts out hundreds of pictures celebrating Marxist-Leninist revolutionaries like Che Guevara. Nor do I think it is an accident that Osama bin Laden’s #2 is a known KGB/FSB agent.
==And yes. If anyone who claims to be Christian and claims salvation in his name, isn’t a “true Christian” because you disagree with them (like perhaps Obama and the Rev. Wright) then THAT TOO is a “No true Scotsman” fallacy.
Tell me Allmendream, are the following Liberation “theologians” genuine Catholics, or are they simply Marxist-Leninist revolutionaries dressed in Catholic vestments?:
Liberation Theologists played a key role in the 1979 Sandinista takeover of Nicaragua. “Father” Ernesto Cardenal, who declared that “only when I converted to Marxism could I write religious poetry”8 and that “I am above all a revolutionist and as such fight for… a dictatorship of the proletariat, in which surely it cannot show itself feeble toward the enemies of its fatherland, not even in moments when one comes to the point of having to execute men for this purpose,”9 was appointed Minister of Culture in the new Marxist dictatorship. “Father” Miguel d’Escoto also backed the revolution, and was trusted enough to be named Foreign Minister of the Sandinista regime. Upon winning the Lenin Peace Prize from the Soviet Union in 1987, d’Escoto was ecstatic: “This prize makes us Nicaraguans come into even closer contact with Lenin, that great personality of your state and of all mankind who is the passionate champion of peace.”10
The analogy between armed revolutionary “Christians” and armed revolutionary “Islamists” is flawed from the outset. The two religions are not analogous and there is no moral equivalence between the two.
One actually IS a religion of peace.
And now your statements seems to be retreating from your previous stance that the “vast majority” of terrorists are secular “Darwinists”. Now you admit that many are in fact Islamists. A small minority then? If the “vast majority” are secularists?
And If d’Escoto and Cardenal have not been excommunicated by the Catholic church then they are still Catholics.
It is like a Jew in 15th Century Spain saying that no “true Catholic” would subject them to the inquisition, so there is really nothing to worry about.
Islamic clerics call for terrorist action. Terrorist who are Islamic respond by committing terrorism, and when they are explaining why, say that it is their view of Islam that prompted them to act. You can argue till your blue in the face that they aren't “truly Islamic”, but that is tragically beside the point.
The terrorists think they are Islamic, their cleric thinks killing Jews and Americans is an Islamic act, and a large portion of Islamic society applauds their actions.
Happy birthday moron. Good luck making it to 25.
I don’t know what else to tell you, Allmendream. Each time I make what should strike you as an outrageous claim, you don’t even ask me to supply the evidence. And when I go ahead and supply the evidence anyway, you don’t even address it. It is very important to distinguish between Commie Terrorists in Muslim disguise and genuine Muslims. I have been researching this area for a long time, and I have come to the conclusion that many so-called Islamic terrorist groups are really just Soviet/Chinese puppets who are trying to set off a civilizational war between genuine Jews, Christians and Muslims. They do this because they know they cannot take on the US and its allies directly, so they use proxies to get us fighting each other. The Marxist-Leninists Liberation Theologians posing as representatives of the Protestant and Catholic Church were instrumental in fomenting Communist revolution in Latin America and Africa. The same holds true for phony Muslim groups who are fomenting revolution in the Middle East, Eurasia, Indonesia, and elsewhere. Finally, I would like to suggest that those who can’t tell the difference between the forces of civilization and the forces of revolution are a distinct liability in the War on Terror.
The terrorists who attack us claim to be inspired by Islam, and they quote Islamic clerics who say that attacking us is a religious duty, and their actions are applauded by a large portion of Islamic society.
If this was all just Communist ‘corruption’ of your ideal of a pure ‘religion of Peace Islam’ it doesn't matter.
The terrorists are inspired by Islam. They say as much. You chiming in that they have been used as a proxy for Communism makes little to no difference. The Islamists used Communists as much as the Communists used the Islamists because they have SIMILAR INTERESTS and IDENTICAL ENEMIES.
And I have seen your “evidence” it is all Pape, and all about suicide bombers. You have never even dealt with my clearly stated facts, and just reflexively go back to Pape’s assertions.
Facts....
Hezbollah was founded by Islamic clerics.
Hezbollah is run by an Islamic cleric.
Hezbollah has as its goal the creation of an Islamic state.
Anybody (including Mr. Pape) who claims that someone from this organization is “secular” needs their head checked. You go on to claim that they are from “the Temple of Darwin” without any evidence that these 11th century cretins would know Darwin from Descartes.
Are you saying that Communist revolution is not conspiratorial? Are you saying that the Communists don’t start false-flag movements (such as Liberation Theology or Islamic Marixism) to facilitate their goals of World Revolution? I’m not talking about some whacked-out conspiracy theory, I’m talking about real conspiratorial organizations like the Mafia, al-Qaeda, the PLO, the Soviet Union, etc, etc, etc, etc.
Moreover the people who adulate and support Al Queda do so because it aligns with their view of Islam.
But as I said, the Islamists used the Communists as much as the Communists used the Islamists, because they have similar goals and identical enemies.
Now where do you get off saying that any terrorist is from “the Temple of Darwin”? Do you have ANY evidence that these cretins even learn about biology in their schools, let alone that their motivation and ideology is anything other than what they say it is- Islamic Jihad?
You might want to go back and re-read the various contexts in which I use the phrase “Temple of Darwin.” Sometimes I use “Temple of Darwin” to specifically refer to the anti-Christian high priests of Darwinism, such as Charles Darwin, Thomas Huxley, Richard Lewontin, Daniel Dennett, Richard Dawkins, etc, etc. However, other times I use the term to refer to materialist ideologies generally. Sometimes I use the phrase to refer to stupid evolutionary claptrap that is every bit as miraculous as special creation (but with no miracle worker). Indeed, the phrase means many things depending on the context. If you are still confused, think of Johnny Depp’s explanation of the various meanings of “forget about it” in the movie Donnie Brasco.
It all depends on the context. In the case of terrorists and suicide bombers, I claim that the vast majority are Temple of Darwin fanatics (in the sense that they are communist/socialist materialists), or the useful idiots of communist/socialist materialists.
You have no evidence and your claims are ridiculous.
We are at war with Terrorists who say they are inspired by Islam. Islamic clerics extort them to acts of violence, and much of the Islamic world applauds their murderous acts. Neither the terrorists, the Islamic clerics, or the audience for their snuff films are secular.
“You can shoot the tiger, or stay out of his way, but you cannot pronounce him a vegetarian”
Richard Mitchell
Here is but one example:
Indian Express > International >
Turkish book traces terror’s origin to Darwin’s theory
ISTANBUL, November 23 A LAVISHLY illustrated Atlas of Creation is mysteriously turning up at schools and libraries in Turkey, proclaiming that Charles Darwin’s theory of evolution is the real root of terrorism. Arriving unsolicited by post, the large-format tome offers 768 glossy pages of photographs and easy-to-read text to prove that God created the world with all its species. At first sight, it looks like it could be the work of United States creationists who believe the world was created in six days as told in the Bible. But the author’s name, Harun Yahya, reveals the surprise inside. This is Islamic creationism, a richly funded movement based in predominantly Muslim Turkey which has an influence US creationists could only dream of.
Aykut Kence, biology professor at the Middle East Technical University in Ankara, said time for discussing evolution had been cut out of class schedules for the eighth grade this year. “The students will just learn there is a theory called evolution defended by Darwin back in the 19th century,” he said.
Atlas of Creation carries a book-length essay arguing that Darwinism, by stressing the “survival of the fittest,” has inspired racism, Nazism, communism and terrorism. “The root of the terrorism that plagues our planet is not any of the divine religions, but atheism, and the expression of atheism in our times (is) Darwinism and materialism,” it says.
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/Turkish-book-traces-terror’s-origin-to-Darwin’s-theory/17167/
The only thing correct from your source is that they DO NOT learn anything about Darwin in their Middle East education. The extent of their education is this...
“The students will just learn there is a theory called evolution defended by Darwin back in the 19th century,”
And based upon this you conclude that Terrorists from the Middle East are “Temple of Darwin fanatics”? They wouldn't know Darwin from Descartes.
Speaking of tigers, the Tamil Tigers of Sri Lanka have caried more suicide bombings than any other terrorist group. And guess what, they are explicitly Marxist-Leninist (read: materialist/Temple of Darwin fanatics).
Still no evidence to support your asinine contention that the “vast majority” of terrorists are “Temple of Darwin fanatics”.
The vast majority of terrorists claim to be Islamic, quote Islamic scripture as their justification, and are applauded by large segments of Islamic society for their murderous acts.
Education for Middle Eastern terrorists doesn't include evolution, they are taught Creationism.
Complete balderdash. The Communists adopted Darwinian evolution starting with Marx and Engles, right through Lenin. Stalin then adopted the ideas of Trofim Lysenko, one of the most incompetent scientists who ever lived. Lysenko, true to form, did a hatchet job on the ideas of Jean-Baptiste Lamarck, who, despite being an evolutionist, was one of the most brilliant naturalists who ever lived (and who, coincidentally, is making quite the comeback these days).
Moreover, Stalin adopted Lysenko's ideas at a time when the majority of Western scientists had completely abandoned Darwin's fairytale in favor of rival evolutionary theories, with Lamarck's theory leading the pack. Indeed, things got so bad for Darwin's fairytale that Huxley referred to the period as the "eclipse of Darwin." The Soviets finally abandoned Lysenko's brand of pseudo-lamarckianism and readopted Darwin in the late 1950s/early 1960s.
And wouldn't you know it, the Temple of Darwin is once again in panic mode, because an ever growing number of their fellow Evos are threatening to abandon the HMS Beagle in favor of a new, very Lamarckian sounding mechanism known as adaptive (read: directed) mutation.
You are as ignorant to what is going on in Biology as you are about who we are facing off against in the war on terror.
Actually, the ignorance about what is going on in biology is entirely on your side of the debate. Indeed, you are so far behind the curve, I’m starting to think that if you ever were a scientist, you have long since retired.
I am a working Scientist, current in the field, and recently graduated.
You simply have no idea what your talking about. Both in Science and Politics.
According to your same Turkish Creationist source that claims Darwinism is responsible for terrorism, they were also responsible for 9-11.
Do you agree with the source you quoted that the 9-11 terrorists were “Temple of Darwin fanatics”?
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