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Wake Forest joins schools in dropping SAT requirement
Associated Press ^ | May 28,2008 | NATASHA ROBINSON

Posted on 05/27/2008 6:45:39 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

RALEIGH, N.C. (AP) — Wake Forest University will no longer require applicants to take the SAT and ACT exams, boosting a movement to lessen the importance of standardized tests in college admissions.

The Winston-Salem school, which admitted just 38 percent of its 9,000 applicants for this fall, is the latest in a string of colleges that no longer require standardized tests. Officials there say the scores are not the best predictor of academic potential.

Most other colleges that have dropped standardized testing have not been highly selective and accept most, if not all, qualified applicants. The most prominent and selective schools have generally continued to use the tests as one of several admissions criteria.

The announcement Tuesday from Wake Forest — on the heels of a similar decision this month by Smith College in Massachusetts — adds two more selective colleges to the movement.

Wake Forest said it was the first of the top 30 schools in the annual U.S. News & World Report college rankings to drop the tests.

Director of Admissions Martha Allman said she has seen students at the top of their class who excelled but did poorly on the SAT and didn't get in. The school, which did away with the testing requirement while examining how to diversify the student population, will instead place more emphasis on personal interviews, academics and extracurricular activities. Students can still have their test scores considered if they want.

"We in admissions have put up a barrier to these students to say all of your hard work and all of your academic achievement is being negated by one test, and we don't feel like that is fair," Allman said. "And it's not fair, especially if the studies are showing it's not a good predictor."

Alana Klein, a spokeswoman for the College Board, which owns the SAT, said there is not a trend toward schools doing away with standardized tests. She said smaller schools are opting not to weigh SAT or ACT scores because they can take a more holistic approach to admissions, not because of concerns that, as some critics contend, minority and low-income students are at a disadvantage.

"The SAT is a fair test," she said.

Standardized tests are often the only way colleges can directly measure students from different schools, and large universities — which may have tens of thousands of applications — rely on them.

But critics contend the exams are too stressful and keep some students from showing their real potential. Smith, a highly ranked liberal arts college for women with a strong reputation for enrolling low-income students, said its decision was prompted by a correlation between test performance and race and household income.

Despite the latest announcements, independent college admissions consultant Steven Roy Goodman said it is unlikely that most highly selective colleges will stop using standardized tests.

"As much as many people in the university world support the movement toward optional testing, it's very difficult to assess the quality of courses in high schools around the country and around the world, and to reconcile the different grading systems, and to take into account the grade inflation that we've seen in many schools throughout the United States," he said.

Larger universities, like the University of Wisconsin-Madison, will continue to use standardized tests. Director of Admissions Rob Seltzer said they make a difference in predicting academic success and there's been no discussion about making them optional.

"They are not the most important factor," Seltzer said. "They have some weight in the admissions process, but the academic record, the transcript, is much more important."


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KEYWORDS: academia; sat; wakeforest
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1 posted on 05/27/2008 6:45:39 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Smith College of MA also dropped the SAT requirements.


2 posted on 05/27/2008 6:46:18 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

College is only about tuition fees anyway. As long as you can fog a mirror and have the money, you’re in.


3 posted on 05/27/2008 6:48:08 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (De-Globalize yourself !)
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To: SeekAndFind

no surprise Belmont college just surpassed Wake Forest in Southern private college ratings.

and David Lipscomb is gaining


4 posted on 05/27/2008 6:48:08 PM PDT by wardaddy (I want a woman POTUS like Elizabeth I in that last movie.....that is a she I could vote for. Balls)
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To: SeekAndFind; Allegra; big'ol_freeper; Lil'freeper; TrueKnightGalahad; blackie; Larry Lucido; ...
All this will do is increase the crop of idiots we already have growing in our mist!

Next time you are at Walmart, just watch the cashier when you check out. That will tell you the tale!

5 posted on 05/27/2008 6:49:07 PM PDT by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: SeekAndFind

This is so schools can keep their admissions more ‘objective’ and can do their own social engineering quotas and avoid any reverse discrimination charges. In the long run all it will do is admit poorer quality students who will be harmed more than helped by the policy because they will not be able to excel and may drop out instead of going to a school where they could succeed.


6 posted on 05/27/2008 6:51:20 PM PDT by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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To: SeekAndFind

If your standards are too high.. lower your standards!


7 posted on 05/27/2008 6:54:33 PM PDT by motor_racer (Open war is upon you, whether you would risk it or not.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
Yep! Today a college diploma is a receipt for tuition paid.
8 posted on 05/27/2008 6:56:28 PM PDT by Battle Axe (Repent for the coming of the Lord is nigh!)
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To: SeekAndFind
The school, which did away with the testing requirement while examining how to diversify the student population

Got to get those diverse students to get government money.

9 posted on 05/27/2008 7:00:01 PM PDT by razorback-bert (Demorats tax returns consists of "welfare in" and " child support out.")
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To: Bender2

As if years later anybody ever asks about your SAT score.

You either can do the job or you can’t do the job.

These kids today can’t even count.


10 posted on 05/27/2008 7:01:36 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: motor_racer
If your standards are too high.. lower your standards!

I really don't see how this comment is appropriate since Wake admits less than half the people who apply.

11 posted on 05/27/2008 7:03:26 PM PDT by billva
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To: SeekAndFind
Is this being done for the betterment of mankind and Western Civilization, or for the benefit of those who are too dumb to pass the test, in the name of diversity??

"In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." George Orwell, 1984

In Liberal/Leftist politics 'reality' is an inconvenience best ignored. But unfortunately for the liberal agenda, reality is that thing that even when you stop believing in it, is still there. As with all liberal experiments in social engineering, it’s the ‘good intentions’ that matters, not the ‘results’.
12 posted on 05/27/2008 7:05:37 PM PDT by Main Street (Stuck in traffic)
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To: SeekAndFind

Minority kids dont do well on the SAT so there must be something wrong with the test. I look forward to a move diverse student population. How about admitting a percentage of those flunking classes in high school, or those with a criminal record, or dont forget those who dropped out of high school, save some slots for them too.


13 posted on 05/27/2008 7:06:34 PM PDT by Bulldawg Fan (Victory is the last thing Murtha and his fellow Defeatists want.)
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To: billva

That’s a 50% acceptance rate and it certainly doesn’t sound too selective to me.


14 posted on 05/27/2008 7:07:50 PM PDT by indcons (Back on FR after the long weekend - will respond to pings and FReepmails. Apologies for the delay.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084
Re: These kids today can’t even count

Those that serve in Iraq and Afghanistan count, but those that worship nObama are no count!

15 posted on 05/27/2008 7:08:35 PM PDT by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

But at least the SAT scores guaranteed a scholastic minimum for college entrance. Future employers could, at the very least, feel confidant in this minimum scholastic ability when interviewing potential employees.


16 posted on 05/27/2008 7:09:51 PM PDT by doc1019 (I was taught to respect my elders, but it's getting harder to find one.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The fact that some students do well despite scoring low on SATs could very possibly be an indication of bias by instructors rather than failure of the SAT.


17 posted on 05/27/2008 7:18:08 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Always Right
"Wake Forest.... did away with the [SAT/ACT] testing requirement while examining how to diversify the student population

That's all you needed from this entire article. The fact of the matter is that they're not going to meet their quotas by using these sorts of tests as admissions requirments, as their classes are going to be filled with Whites and Asians.

And even after affirmative action takes places at the undergraduate level, it's again needed at the graduate level. Like it or not, medicine and law (to but name a few) drastically lower their admissions standards to those who offer "diversity."
18 posted on 05/27/2008 7:26:20 PM PDT by CaspersGh0sts
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To: SeekAndFind

New requirement test:

Are you a minority?
Are you a woman?
Do you feel you’re getting screwed in Whitey’s society?

Welcome aboard.


19 posted on 05/27/2008 7:27:08 PM PDT by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Hillary for President!)
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To: Battle Axe

“Yep! Today a college diploma is a receipt for tuition paid.”

Probably not a fair assessment with Wake. They’re known for having a pretty brutal curriculum and most definitely not for grade inflation.

And that in a school filled with a pretty intelligent group of kids. Dropping this test, however, is no doubt a mistake and a lowering of standards.


20 posted on 05/27/2008 7:29:57 PM PDT by CaspersGh0sts
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