Posted on 05/03/2008 6:50:24 AM PDT by MizSterious
"I thought about when I was little and thought about how I wanted to be adopted, and I wanted out of my family," Chapman said Friday.
Now living in Durango, Chapman was born into a polygamist family in Utah.
Chapman said she grew up on 6 acres in Sandy, a suburb of Salt Lake City.
"My father had four wives and I have 31 brothers and sisters," Chapman said.
During an interview with 7NEWS, Chapman spoke to several sisters she believes may be living in the compound in Texas.
"Carol, Andrea, Camille, Charlotte, if you're watching, your sisters out here love you and you can make that leap," Chapman said encouraging them to leave the polygamous sect.
Since escaping the Fundamentalist Latter Day Saints religion in 1991, Chapman said she's been trying to blow the whistle in Utah about abuse and forced marriage to underage girls.
Chapman said doing so has put her at risk with devout FLDS members.
"If you become someone they see as a threat to the work of God, then they can spill your blood. They can kill you," Chapman said.
Chapman's story is now part of a book by local author Stephen Singular titled, “When Men Became Gods.”
(Excerpt) Read more at thedenverchannel.com ...
The DNA testing will be the most telling of any or all evidence gathered. I’m extremely curious to see what come out of it....
well, that makes one of you.
It is SOP to determine maternity and paternity on custody issues.
If the parents do not come forward, what option does the state have but to take custody?
“I hold with my opinion that when one says cultists are ready to spill and kill, it is reasonable (as well as helpful to the reading public) to offer substantiation of the claim.”
So, someone must die first, before we can take this lady’s ‘claim’ seriously?
Even though, other FLDS members who escaped ,tell the same story, even though some who haven’t escaped, tell the same story?
Even though, her ‘claim’ is supported by written documentation where the GODKING Warren Jeffs has decreed this to be his law?
That is what ‘substantiation’ means.
Conclusive Proof is what you get when you find the dead bodies.
No one is being charged with murder, as of yet, but it substantiates the underlying problem, and the reason for this whole discussion, and that is that the children were in a DANGEROUS ENVIRONMENT, and TEXAS WELFARE, CPS, and LE, are trying to correct that.
Others do too....
WEEKEND SPECIAL: POLYGAMY’S UNDERGROUND RAILROAD
Where ‘the handsome ones go to the leaders’
Last month’s raid on a Texas ranch gave a rare peek into a mysterious polygamist church. But as Robert Matas reports, a B.C. teen found there could reveal its most shocking secret yet: a trade in young girls across the U.S.-Canada border
ROBERT MATAS
Susan Krashinsky, with a report from Reuters; with a report from the Associated Press
May 3, 2008
ELDORADO, TEX. — The Yearning For Zion ranch a few miles west of nowhere was built to keep the secrets of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints hidden from prying eyes.
But the church’s days of splendid isolation and impenetrable secrecy - only the top fringe of the temple’s white limestone walls visible from a distant rural road at the edge of the 1,700-acre spread - are rapidly ending.
The Texas Rangers raid of the secluded ranch in early April led to sensational allegations of grooming underage girls for marriage and sexual abuse. And the discovery of a 17-year-old girl at the ranch from an FLDS community in British Columbia could expose a part of the church’s life that governments on both sides of the border have long ignored.
Her parents say she had been visiting her grandmother who was living at the Texas ranch. But a weeklong Globe and Mail investigation indicates the trip may have been a ride on a little-known underground railway that takes young girls across the Canada-U.S. border - in both directions - for one purpose: to be assigned as a so-called celestial bride to FLDS men.
the rest is here...
Exactly——
Recently, the police raided a house for a fugitive.
Sitting on the floor in the LR in front of the TV were 3 kids. None of the adults in the house would/could say who’s they were.....so they were taken into CPS etc etc.
Turns out, they were the neighbor’s who left them there so they could work nightshift, the wife who had allowed them over to watch was out of the house at the time of the raid and none of the remaining ‘adults’ had a clue about the kids. The kids were too young to explain who their parents were.
Granted, the neighbor was hysterical and yes, it took a bit of hoop jumping to get her kids back. But bottom line, what do you do when you don’t have a clue who goes to who?
Leave the kids with the adults who clearly weren’t their parents?
KXLY, USA
Nov. 5, 2006
Janet O
www.kxly.com
Posted: Monday November 6, 2006
SPOKANE — When Susan Ray Schmidt’s parents decided to join what she calls a cult, Schmidt says she had no choice but to grow up with Fundamentalist Mormon teachings.
“You live in a situation like this, and there’s a lot of fanaticism and brainwashing,” she says.
Schmidt’s story unfolds like any dramatic Hollywood film, except this is based on real life. It’s a life she details in her new book, “His Favorite Wife”. Her story captures the greed, envy and murders that drover her once and for all to escape.
“I was just a young girl when my mom and dad joined a fundamentalist offshoot of the Mormon church,” Schmidt says. “I was 15 when I became the sixth wife of one of the leaders of the church. His name was Verlan LeBaron.”
In the 1940s the excommunicated LeBaron clan formed the Church of the First Born in the Mexican state of Chihuahua. Verlan was one of five LeBaron brothers who started the church. It was Ervil LeBaron who first convinced Susan that God wanted her to become part of the clan.
“He was called the “Mormon Manson,” Schmidt says. Ervil LeBaron masterminded 30 murders, including his pregnant daughter, Rebecca, and the church patriarch, Joel LeBaron.
“He did what was called blood atonement killings,” Schmidt says. “It was a power thing. He wanted to take leadership of the church.”
WEEKEND SPECIAL: POLYGAMY’S UNDERGROUND RAILROAD - 6 Pages
5/3/08
I am unsure if all the children and all the parents did the same thing. See, I am watching this in interest for the wide scope, the guilt by association, etc. If everyone did it then perhaps they had no choice but to do everyone. I don’t know the facts for everyone and certainly we can all agree that a group court hearing didn’t give every family its day in court to refute and defend themselves.
668 is correct.
Just because 668 asked for there to be some kind of evidence on the issue of murder, doesn’t mean that poster is suddenly a FLDS defending child molestor.
When a different aspect to the case raises it’s head, being skeptical is always a good thing, until you get more info.
So, accuse 668 of being skeptical, or cautious, before wading into the deep water, but don’t put a label on him(her) for asking for some justification , and lumping him(her) with some of the more outrageous ‘deniers’ that get on these threads.
That’s not fair. No matter who it’s being done to.
Ping to 21.
Once more. Last time.
This is not about the merits of the woman's claim. If it has merit it should have been easy for her to add "because." Because they have done this or that. Because their leader has authoritatively said they WOULD shed blood or kill. Quote him.
And the reporter should have asked her, simply, "Why do you say that?"
Then we'd all know more than we did yesterday, which is, or was once, the raison d'etre of the newspaper.
"Not doubting her, but not swallowing either. "
What people? Where? Links?
"If you become someone they see as a threat to the work of God, then they can spill your blood. They can kill you," Chapman said.
Or didn't you read it?
The idea of guilt or innocence has absolutely zero, nada, nothing to do with the safety of children.
If children have no parents willing to step up and take care of them then the state has no other option but to place the children under their control and seek the responsible persons.
In the meanwhile, the state needs to see to the child’s needs.
The guilt or innocence for other criminal issues are secondary yet they have the interest of folks who only want to see the state as evil and want to ignore the state has the welfare of the children as its first duty. Go ahead and change the subject from the children to civil rights but the rest of us see this more clearly.
LOL, there are two of you, aren’t there! Thus UCANSEE “2.”
One smacks me, the other defends me.
For the record, although I am generally anti-nannystate and suspicious of hamfisted gubmint interference, I do think in this case there is ample justification for intervention. And that’s not to say the state will do it right. They’ll still be hamfisted. But in the end the victims will be better off than before, and there ARE victims.
Reporter #668: "That's a pretty strong charge, Ms. Chapman. Why do you think so? Can you cite an example or an incident when they have done either?"
OK. So, read post 68
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