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Democrats to force votes on who gets rebates
The Houston Chronicle ^ | January 31, 2008 | JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS

Posted on 01/31/2008 12:18:57 PM PST by BradtotheBone

WASHINGTON — Senate Democrats said today they would force votes next week on adding rebates for senior citizens and disabled veterans and heating aid for the poor to the House-passed economic stimulus package.

The move marked a lapse in the broad bipartisan cooperation that sped the stimulus plan through the House, and set the stage for a contentious fight between Republicans who are balking at adding to the bill and Democrats who believe it should be larger.

"Democrats have spoken on how this package can be improved," said Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev.

He said the measure was still on track for completion by Feb. 15. "We are doing this as fast as we can," he said.

But Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., said the proposed add-ons were slowing down rebate checks for millions of Americans, now expected to be delivered starting in May.

"The stimulus train is grinding to a halt here in the U.S. Senate," McConnell said.

Under Reid's plan for Senate action on the stimulus package, the Senate could vote as early as Monday on a bill that would tack $32 billion onto the House measure with rebates of $500-$1,000 to all but the richest taxpayers, with more for families with children.

Approved by the Finance Committee on Wednesday with just three Republican votes, the package also would expand rebate eligibility to 20 million older Americans on Social Security and to disabled veterans, and it would provide an unemployment extension for those whose benefits have run out.

The Senate measure would pump $193 billion into the economy over the next two years, compared with the $161 billion House measure that would send $600-$1,200 rebates to a narrower group.

Democrats in the Senate don't expect to be able to muster the 60 votes they would need to pass the measure, so they will follow up with efforts to add their favorite items — including jobless benefits, food stamps and heating aid for the poor and housing relief — to the House bill, Reid said.

They also plan to hold separate votes on adding heating aid and rebates for seniors and disabled veterans, which would pose a sticky dilemma for Republicans facing re-election.

"It's tough votes for them," said Sen. Charles E. Schumer of New York, who heads the Democrats' Senate campaign arm.

If none of their proposals attracts enough backing to win approval, the Senate will pass the House measure, Reid said.

The bill approved by the Finance Committee would extend unemployment payments for 13 weeks for those whose benefits have run out, with 26 more weeks available in states with the highest unemployment rates. The only state that currently meets the trigger is Michigan.

Labor unions are pressing hard for the extension. The AFL-CIO circulated a letter to senators Thursday urging them to include it in the final stimulus bill.

Democrats said it would be difficult for senators to oppose sending rebate checks to seniors, who also have been lobbying intensively to be included in the stimulus bill.

The Senate measure would deliver flat rebates of $500 for individuals and $1,000 for couples to anyone earning at least $3,000, with income limits of $150,000 for individuals and $300,000 for couples. The rebate would phase out for those making more, disappearing altogether for individuals with income of $160,000 for individuals and $320,000 for couples. The caps would be higher for those with children.

It also goes farther than the House package in efforts to bar illegal immigrants from receiving rebates. Under the Senate measure, recipients and their spouses and children would need valid Social Security numbers to qualify. The House bill omits that requirement, although it expressly disqualifies nonresident aliens.

Today, House leaders indicated they would move to clarify a provision in their version of the bill to stipulate that no rebates could go to illegal immigrants.

"We will take legislative action to clarify and underscore this prohibition so we can expedite the rebates to millions of eligible Americans," House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., and Republican Leader John A. Boehner of Ohio, said in a joint statement.

The Senate plan would restore a business tax break dropped during the House negotiations that would permit corporations suffering losses now to reclaim taxes previously paid.

Both packages include roughly $50 billion worth of tax incentives for businesses to invest in new plants and equipment.


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KEYWORDS: rebates; stimulus
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To: Graybeard58

By the time they get done with it it will just be another entitlement program and not a dime will go back to anyone that actually paid some taxes.
Shows how much faith I have in any of them doesn’t it?


21 posted on 01/31/2008 12:38:56 PM PST by sheana
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To: NTHockey
Sorry, but $300K a year don’t sound like poor to me

The Repub plan had a lower income ceiling.

My guess is that the Dems know the richer ones won't spend the $ but will either save or invest it.

They are tricky...they are coming across as generous with this plan but they are bloating the payout here with funds that won't even stimulate the economy.

The Dems' plan with this stimulus is actually to slow down the economy not stimulate it.

22 posted on 01/31/2008 12:40:32 PM PST by what's up
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To: Mrs.Z
I used to get all riled up about handouts, but now I realize all the money is fictitious anyway. Billions are created with the tap of a keyboard. Trillions exist in some kind of magical black box constructed of arcane financial transactions. So why not just give the people what they want and need, hell the men behind the curtain get theirs the same way and don’t do a damn thing.
23 posted on 01/31/2008 12:41:05 PM PST by oncebitten
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To: what's up
The Dems' plan with this stimulus is actually to slow down the economy not stimulate it.

This will stimulate the economy like taking a bucket of water from the deep end of a pool and pouring it into the shallow end will make the shallow end get deeper.

24 posted on 01/31/2008 12:44:32 PM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government, Benito Guilinni a short man in search of a balcony)
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To: oncebitten

Isn’t it just an advance on next year’s refund?


25 posted on 01/31/2008 12:45:29 PM PST by Shermy
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To: BradtotheBone

I sure as hell want to know who would deny economic assistance to senior citizens.


26 posted on 01/31/2008 12:46:17 PM PST by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: Graybeard58

Let’s big ball and go for $2 million! Oh, yeah, and some money for my heating bills. I’ve got the windows open right now and the government’s got to make me whole.


27 posted on 01/31/2008 12:46:40 PM PST by toddlintown (Building More Highways For Children---Huckleberry Talking Point)
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To: MrB

A day or two? Hell, there should be a drop box for your return and yearly check right in front of the voting booth....


28 posted on 01/31/2008 12:47:30 PM PST by steve-b (Sin lies only in hurting others unnecessarily. All other "sins" are invented nonsense. --RAH)
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To: BradtotheBone

I think this needs to go into committee for at least two years to make sure it is well thought out!

/s


29 posted on 01/31/2008 12:49:46 PM PST by RobRoy
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To: oncebitten

“So why not just give the people what they want and need, hell the men behind the curtain get theirs the same way and don’t do a damn thing.”

But ‘their’ money would have no ‘wealth’ if everyone was rich.

The ‘rich’ would not exist without the ‘poor’.

Someone has to run the machines that keep the castles afloat on top of the clouds, and someone has to empty the trash.

If everyone is rich, no castles floating, and trash everywhere.


30 posted on 01/31/2008 12:50:25 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Just saying what 'they' won't.)
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To: Graybeard58

I can see Pelosi standing next to the Soup Nazi (dressed as Uncle Sam) saying “NO CHECK FOR YOU....1 YEAR...NO, 5 YEAR!”


31 posted on 01/31/2008 12:51:16 PM PST by A_Tradition_Continues (Sanitized for your protection.)
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To: steve-b

AND, the net amount paid to the gov’t needs to be POSITIVE before you can cast your vote.


32 posted on 01/31/2008 12:52:07 PM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: what's up

“...but they are bloating the payout here with funds that won’t even stimulate the economy.”

Yeah, I was wondering how stimulating food stamps would be.


33 posted on 01/31/2008 12:52:49 PM PST by Let's Roll (As usual, following a shooting spree, libs want to take guns away from those who DIDN'T do it.)
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To: ex-snook
Hey,you got your free Viagra.What else do you want?

May God bless you for your great support of this nation,btw.:D

34 posted on 01/31/2008 12:52:55 PM PST by quack
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To: BradtotheBone

Bush has already said he will veto anything that comes to him that is different from what was originally agreed upon. Not that I’m in favor of this ‘stimulus package’, but clearly the libs are just using it as a political weapon instead of actually wanting to do anything to help the economy.


35 posted on 01/31/2008 12:53:45 PM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: PBRSTREETGANG
Which means I pay too much in taxes to deserve a taxpayer rebate.

I'm with you. I grew up dirt poor and have busted my arse for the past 35 years for the priviledge to earn too much. I don't get crap in this deal and I am pissed.

36 posted on 01/31/2008 12:56:19 PM PST by suijuris
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To: Shermy

“Isn’t it just an advance on next year’s refund?”

Shhhhhhh.......!

You might make people ‘think’ about the future, and how hard it might be to have a very small rebate come tax time a year from now.


37 posted on 01/31/2008 12:56:32 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Just saying what 'they' won't.)
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To: MEGoody

That is because the only “economic solution” they are familiar with is raising taxes, and wealth redistribution... Neither of which benefit the economy, no matter how one spins it.


38 posted on 01/31/2008 12:56:35 PM PST by erikm88
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To: BradtotheBone
When the "free" money train is careening down the tracks in an election year and the politicians are giving away money to every "worthwhile" cause in sight, it's hard to resist the juggernaut.

I weep for our Republic, or what little is left of it...

39 posted on 01/31/2008 12:57:10 PM PST by Gritty (Who is better to run the nanny state than the nanny,... the Democrats? - Wesley Pruden)
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To: RetiredArmy

I don’t have kids at home but do have seven dogs and cats. They eat more than the kids used to. Where’s my animal rebate??


40 posted on 01/31/2008 12:58:04 PM PST by pabianice
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