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Ancient Skeleton Was 'Even Older' (Red Lady Of Paviland)
BBC ^ | 10-30-2007

Posted on 10/30/2007 7:59:59 PM PDT by blam

Ancient skeleton was 'even older'

The burial site was in Goat's Hole Cave at Paviland on Gower

The Red Lady of Paviland has always been a little coy about her age - but it appears she may be 4,000 years older than previously thought. Scientists say more accurate tests date the earliest human burial found in the UK to just over 29,000 years ago.

When discovered in a cave on Gower in the 1820s the bones were thought to be around 18,000 years old, but were later redated to between 25,000 and 26,000.

Researchers said it casts a new light on human presence in western Europe.

The team from Oxford University and the British Museum said new dating techniques provided more accurate results.

The skeleton of the Red Lady - actually a young male - was discovered at Goat's Hole Cave at Paviland on Gower in 1823 by William Buckland, then a geology professor at Oxford University.

It owes its name to the red ochre covering the bones.

Dr Thomas Higham of Oxford University said he and his colleague Dr Roger Jacobi of the British Museum had now done further tests and were "confident" of the new results.

The remains were found along with a number of artefacts including ivory wands, bracelets and periwinkle shells.

The cave skeleton was found by William Buckland

"The remains and artefacts were previously difficult to date accurately," said Dr Higham.

"Many of the bones were treated with preservations in the 19th Century and some of this contamination is often difficult to remove."

He said their analysis was the bones were "just over" 29,000 years old.

It would mean The Red Lady lived in an age when the climate was much warmer than it would have been 4,000 years later.

Dr Higham added: "The data that we have got now is making a lot more sense."

He said it was important for "our understanding of the presence and behaviour of humans in this part of the world at this time".

He also said it "might" suggest that the custom of burying people with artefacts originated in western Europe rather than eastern Europe as had previously been thought.

"This raises new questions about the way in which these people spread and lived on the continent," he added.

The remains of the Red Lady are to form part of a new exhibition opening at the National Museum Wales in Cardiff in December.

The full findings of the new research are due to be published in the Journal of Human Evolution early next year.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: ancient; ancientautopsies; britishisles; godsgravesglyphs; gower; lady; paviland; pavilandcave; redochre; skeleton; swansea; wales
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1 posted on 10/30/2007 8:00:02 PM PDT by blam
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To: SunkenCiv
GGG Ping.

Paviland Cave And The Red Lady

2 posted on 10/30/2007 8:02:35 PM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: blam
Red Lady of America:


3 posted on 10/30/2007 8:02:57 PM PDT by G8 Diplomat (Pelosi--pissed off Turkey, supported SCHIP, really jerky, and full of sh|t)
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To: G8 Diplomat
Your sophomoric post does not add to the thread.
4 posted on 10/30/2007 8:07:48 PM PDT by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: Buffalo Head
In case you hadn't noticed, just about every thread involving some ancient archeological find that is GGG related is filled with 'sophomoric' posts and corny jokes throught the first several posts. I don't see you adding anything to the thread other than being the posting police.
5 posted on 10/30/2007 8:11:21 PM PDT by G8 Diplomat (Pelosi--pissed off Turkey, supported SCHIP, really jerky, and full of sh|t)
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To: blam
Good post. Thanks!

I would have liked more details on the dating methods.

They are probably doing AMS dating on the associated artifacts, or maybe even the bones themselves.

The AMS techniques are really helping to clarify some of the earlier dating estimates.

6 posted on 10/30/2007 8:22:29 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: blam
He also said it "might" suggest that the custom of burying people with artefacts originated in western Europe rather than eastern Europe as had previously been thought.As you know, I am impatient with this idea that something has to originate in one spot and be copied by other, obviously not creative people. That said, pushing this site back so much further in time is fascinating. Where did they go, if anywhere, when the ice returned?
7 posted on 10/30/2007 8:54:28 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: JimSEA
Where did they go, if anywhere, when the ice returned? "

18,000 Years Ago

8 posted on 10/30/2007 9:19:58 PM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: blam

A heaadline for this story could be:

“Problems In Dating Older Women”


9 posted on 10/30/2007 10:44:15 PM PDT by preacher (A government which robs from Peter to pay Paul will always have the support of Paul.)
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When discovered in a cave on Gower in the 1820s the bones were thought to be around 18,000 years old, but were later redated to between 25,000 and 26,000... The skeleton of the Red Lady - actually a young male - was discovered at Goat's Hole Cave at Paviland on Gower in 1823 by William Buckland, then a geology professor at Oxford University... The remains were found along with a number of artefacts including ivory wands, bracelets and periwinkle shells... "Many of the bones were treated with preservations in the 19th Century and some of this contamination is often difficult to remove." He said their analysis was the bones were "just over" 29,000 years old.
"...and we really mean it this time. And she, I mean, he, was interred by loved ones in Sheep's Hole Cave, oops, I mean, Goat's Hole, oh, what's the difference?!?"
10 posted on 10/31/2007 2:51:07 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Monday, October 22, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: blam; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 1ofmanyfree; 24Karet; 3AngelaD; 49th; ...

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11 posted on 10/31/2007 2:52:15 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Monday, October 22, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

I guess they are certain, until the next “certain” determination...


12 posted on 10/31/2007 2:57:08 AM PDT by NCLaw441
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To: NCLaw441

:’)


13 posted on 10/31/2007 3:12:28 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Monday, October 22, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: G8 Diplomat; Buffalo Head
I thought your post was funny and a propos - it is, after all a political site..

Where IS Bill's right hand, anyway?

14 posted on 10/31/2007 3:23:52 AM PDT by USMCVet
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To: USMCVet

No, he is a lefty.


15 posted on 10/31/2007 4:03:02 AM PDT by bmwcyle (BOMB, BOMB, BOMB,.......BOMB, BOMB IRAN)
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To: G8 Diplomat

Yikes! Bucky Beaver in a red dress! Happy Halloween!


16 posted on 10/31/2007 4:08:08 AM PDT by Edgar3 (Steve Spurrier for President!)
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To: G8 Diplomat
Yes, isn’t it a shame so many of FR’s posters are mental midgets with nothing of substance to add to a thread? Their juvenile humor does not enhance this forum’s image or very purpose.
17 posted on 10/31/2007 8:26:56 AM PDT by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: Buffalo Head
"Yes, isn’t it a shame so many of FR’s posters are mental midgets with nothing of substance to add to a thread? Their juvenile humor does not enhance this forum’s image or very purpose."

Congratulations! You have just won this month's "most pompous jerk" prize...

So humor is something that's inappropriate on a site with conservatives, conspiracy theorists, reformed liberals, Republicans, Libertarians, drug enthusiats and tin helmet wearers?

Since you haven't availed yourself of any personal history on the FreeRepublic for us to bask in, just exactly what are your bona fides, that we should show the proper admiration?

18 posted on 10/31/2007 9:26:24 AM PDT by USMCVet
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To: Buffalo Head

Do you ever stop paraphrasing your home page?


19 posted on 10/31/2007 9:35:22 AM PDT by norton (Go ahead, vote for Hunter, you know you want to.)
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To: SunkenCiv; blam

My recollection is a post a while back estimated the British Isles have been the subject of a least half a dozen attempts by man or our predecessors to colonize them, who have been driven back each time - until now. The results of this attempt remain to be seen, in the next glacial.


20 posted on 10/31/2007 11:38:20 AM PDT by colorado tanker (I'm unmoderated - just ask Bill O'Reilly)
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