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Are Men as Dumb as the Media Say We Are?
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Posted on 09/06/2007 2:15:38 PM PDT by RatherBiased.com

In today's media, anti-male sexism is the rule far more than anti-female sexism. Whether it's calling men "idiots," creating smart mom/stupid dad TV shows, publishing books with titles like "Are Men Necessary," our culture is full of what some scholars are calling the "WAW effect," short for Women are Wonderful. These days, it's tough to catch a break if you're an unapologetic male.

What's interesting about the situation is that it's not really that removed from the way things used to be in Western society in which men were the preferred sex. In a fascinating address provocatively titled "Is There Anything Good About Men?" Florida State University professor Roy Baumeister discusses how we've moved from male superiority to male inferiority as well as the reasons behind that shift (h/t Helen Smith):

I said that today most people hold more favorable stereotypes of women than men. It was not always thus. Up until about the 1960s, psychology (like society) tended to see men as the norm and women as the slightly inferior version. During the 1970s, there was a brief period of saying there were no real differences, just stereotypes. Only since about 1980 has the dominant view been that women are better and men are the inferior version.

The surprising thing to me is that it took little more than a decade to go from one view to its opposite, that is, from thinking men are better than women to thinking women are better than men. How is this possible?

I'm sure you're expecting me to talk about Larry Summers at some point, so let's get it over with! You recall, he was the president of Harvard. As summarized in The Economist, "Mr Summers infuriated the feminist establishment by wondering out loud whether the prejudice alone could explain the shortage of women at the top of science." After initially saying, it's possible that maybe there aren't as many women physics professors at Harvard because there aren't as many women as men with that high innate ability, just one possible explanation among others, he had to apologize, retract, promise huge sums of money, and not long afterward he resigned.

What was his crime? Nobody accused him of actually discriminating against women. His misdeed was to think thoughts that are not allowed to be thought, namely that there might be more men with high ability. The only permissible explanation for the lack of top women scientists is patriarchy - that men are conspiring to keep women down. It can't be ability. Actually, there is some evidence that men on average are a little better at math, but let's assume Summers was talking about general intelligence. People can point to plenty of data that the average IQ of adult men is about the same as the average for women. So to suggest that men are smarter than women is wrong. No wonder some women were offended.

But that's not what he said. He said there were more men at the top levels of ability. That could still be true despite the average being the same - if there are also more men at the bottom of the distribution, more really stupid men than women. During the controversy about his remarks, I didn't see anybody raise this question, but the data are there, indeed abundant, and they are indisputable. There are more males than females with really low IQs. Indeed, the pattern with mental retardation is the same as with genius, namely that as you go from mild to medium to extreme, the preponderance of males gets bigger.

All those retarded boys are not the handiwork of patriarchy. Men are not conspiring together to make each other's sons mentally retarded.

Almost certainly, it is something biological and genetic. And my guess is that the greater proportion of men at both extremes of the IQ distribution is part of the same pattern. Nature rolls the dice with men more than women. Men go to extremes more than women. It's true not just with IQ but also with other things, even height: The male distribution of height is flatter, with more really tall and really short men.

Again, there is a reason for this, to which I shall return.

For now, the point is that it explains how we can have opposite stereotypes. Men go to extremes more than women. Stereotypes are sustained by confirmation bias. Want to think men are better than women? Then look at the top, the heroes, the inventors, the philanthropists, and so on. Want to think women are better than men? Then look at the bottom, the criminals, the junkies, the losers.

In an important sense, men really are better AND worse than women.

I don't endorse all of it by any means but it's interesting to finally hear an academic voice challenging the dominant thinking on this issue.


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: feminism; huh; idumb; istupid; mediabias
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1 posted on 09/06/2007 2:15:43 PM PDT by RatherBiased.com
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This is news???
2 posted on 09/06/2007 2:19:08 PM PDT by stm (Fred Thompson in 08!)
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To: RatherBiased.com

Are Men as Dumb as the Media Say We Are?

No.

Dumber.


3 posted on 09/06/2007 2:20:30 PM PDT by Chickensoup (If it is not permitted, it is prohibited. Only the government can permit....)
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I’m convinced that everyone else is dumber than me.
4 posted on 09/06/2007 2:23:59 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: RatherBiased.com; Eaker; humblegunner; TheMom; pax_et_bonum; Allegra; Xenalyte; weegee; ...

I’m glad the media finally got around to this...

I was beginning to worry...

Why I was getting these funny looks...


5 posted on 09/06/2007 2:25:03 PM PDT by stevie_d_64 (Houston Area Texans (I've always been hated))
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To: RatherBiased.com

Ar you surprised? The media is dominated by libs, lessies and homos.


6 posted on 09/06/2007 2:26:00 PM PDT by golfisnr1 (Democrats are like roaches - hard to get rid of.)
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I am truly offended by the MSM’s portrayal of men.
I point it out to my girls and tell them how wrong it is.

Daddy is a VERY smart man and they know it because I tell them as much as they see it.

I love men!


7 posted on 09/06/2007 2:26:28 PM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time .)
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8 posted on 09/06/2007 2:26:32 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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No.

Not across the board anyway. There are always those outliers that make the rest look bad. Works the same for women. Blondes. Pick your group.

Most of us who are real women are delighted with unapologetic males. In the sense of not having to apologize for being male. (If you’ve forgotten your anniversary, her birthday, etc., apologies are in order.)

Unapologetic males .... bring ‘em on! We need more of you.


9 posted on 09/06/2007 2:26:40 PM PDT by generally (Ask me about FReepers Folding@Home)
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If you listen to the news media, you are dumb.


10 posted on 09/06/2007 2:28:54 PM PDT by popdonnelly (Our first responsibility is to keep the power of the Presidency out of the hands of the Clintons.)
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Nah, we just pretend to be dumb, so that our wives won’t ask us to do more things around the house. ;)


11 posted on 09/06/2007 2:30:08 PM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Still Championship U)
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I think men are magnificent!
12 posted on 09/06/2007 2:31:04 PM PDT by elizabetty (Ron Paul - Because Moonbats Need Choices Too!)
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I don’t get it!


13 posted on 09/06/2007 2:31:31 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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Are Men as Dumb as the Media Say We Are?

Of course not. When a woman has a big problem whom does she seek for a solution or protection? A man! And so it will always be. It is nature's and God's way, media views notwithstanding

14 posted on 09/06/2007 2:32:20 PM PDT by Rapscallion ("Racial Profiling" is a lawyers' term used to smear good citizens and to defend guilty clients.)
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To: generally

No to feminazis, no to doormats, yes to ladies.

No to cavemen, no to metrosexuals, yes to gentlemen.


15 posted on 09/06/2007 2:32:42 PM PDT by JillValentine (Being a feminist is all about being a victim. Being an armed woman is all about not being a victim.)
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To: netmilsmom
I love men!

Ex-Senator Larry Craig does too!

16 posted on 09/06/2007 2:34:24 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (We all need someone we can bleed on...)
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To: martin_fierro

LOL!

I put the toon inside the original article. Thanks!


17 posted on 09/06/2007 2:34:50 PM PDT by RatherBiased.com
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i think a lot has to do with advertising. they always make the guy look dumb and the wife smart


18 posted on 09/06/2007 2:35:13 PM PDT by camas
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To: martin_fierro
Edith, stifle!
19 posted on 09/06/2007 2:35:33 PM PDT by Ukiapah Heep (Shoes for Industry!)
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Dumb me ar. Nuz guy smart. Duh, pleaz tell me hows to vote, Mr. Nuz Guy!


20 posted on 09/06/2007 2:35:36 PM PDT by Antoninus (Republicans who support Rudy owe Bill Clinton an apology.)
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