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That Fish You Caught Was in Pain
LA Times ^ | October 8, 2006 | Victoria Braithwaite

Posted on 10/11/2006 12:20:35 AM PDT by neverdem

Research challenges the myth among anglers that fish can't feel pain from barbed hooks.

EVERY YEAR, sportsmen around the world drag millions of fish to shore on barbed hooks. It's something people have always done, and with little enough conscience. Fish are … well, fish. They're not dogs, who yelp when you accidentally step on their feet. Fish don't cry out or look sad or respond in a particularly recognizable way. So we feel free to treat them in a way that we would not treat mammals or even birds.

But is there really any biological justification for exempting fish from the standards nowadays accorded to so-called higher animals? Do we really know whether fish feel pain or whether they suffer — or whether, in fact, our gut sense that they are dumb, unfeeling animals is accurate?

Determining whether any type of animal really suffers is difficult. A good starting place might be to consider how people feel pain. When a sharp object pierces the human body, specialized nerve endings called nociceptors alert us to the damage. Incredibly, no one ever seems to have asked before whether fish have nociceptors around their mouths. My colleagues and I in Edinburgh, Scotland, recently looked in trout and found that they do. If you look at thin sections of the trigeminal nerve, the main nerve for the face for all vertebrates, fish have the same two types of nociceptors that we do — A-delta and C fibers. So they do have the necessary sensory wiring to detect pain.

And the wiring works. We stimulated the nociceptors by injecting diluted vinegar or bee venom just under the skin of the trout. If you've ever felt the nip of vinegar on an open cut or the sting of a bee, you will recognize these feelings...

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VICTORIA BRAITHWAITE, a behavioral biologist at Edinburgh University, is on sabbatical at the Institute for Advanced Study in Berlin.

I will always love to go fishing. Somebody justs needs to eat what I kill.

1 posted on 10/11/2006 12:20:35 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

VICTORIA BRAITHWAITE

Something about her name rings a bell!

2 posted on 10/11/2006 12:25:05 AM PDT by MarineBrat (Muslims - The "flesh eating bacteria" version of humans.)
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To: neverdem

Tell it to Jesus- the best fisherman of all.

Was He wrong?


3 posted on 10/11/2006 12:27:17 AM PDT by Finalapproach29er (Dems will impeach Bush if given a chance.)
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To: neverdem

When I was a boy, my buddies and I liked to go skin diving at Punta San Miguel, Mexico. We would start a fire on the shore and go spear some fish in the kelp beds to cook over the fire. Upon exiting the surf, we would shove a dive knife into to anuses of the fish and open their bellies, gutting and rinsing them in the sea water.

I wonder if that hurt?

Oh, well. They were delicious and as fresh as fish can be.


4 posted on 10/11/2006 12:27:59 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Peace begins in the womb.)
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To: neverdem
Fish don't cry out or look sad or respond in a particularly recognizable way. So we feel free to treat them in a way that we would not treat mammals or even birds.

Uh, yeah.
5 posted on 10/11/2006 12:27:59 AM PDT by kinoxi
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To: neverdem

Curously enough, my burger felt absolutely nothing!
6 posted on 10/11/2006 12:31:19 AM PDT by struwwelpeter
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To: neverdem
Ooh! The pain I inflict when I set the hook, holler "Fish on!" and drag the lunker in.

I always thought that the little dance that the bass does was his celebration of the coming experience. He gets a milk bath, is gently massaged with olive oil, salt pepper and coated with some cornmeal/flour combination, then warmed in a iron skillet to a lovely shade of deep tan and then drenched with a little lemon juice.

How bad is that? If I were a fish, I wouldn't wait for some lure to randomly pass by, I'd be hopping in to the boat the first chance I got.

7 posted on 10/11/2006 12:32:13 AM PDT by woofer (It is not necessary to understand things in order to argue about them.)
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To: Finalapproach29er
Tell it to Jesus- the best fisherman of all. Was He wrong?

Good point, but a lot of the PETA types maintain that "Jesus was a vegetarian", despite Biblical passages suggesting otherwise.

8 posted on 10/11/2006 12:33:59 AM PDT by pawdoggie
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To: struwwelpeter

I'm sure your burger has never met a fish.


9 posted on 10/11/2006 12:35:21 AM PDT by kinoxi
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To: neverdem

What do you want to bet that Ms. Braithwaite supports the abortion of children despite the fact that they undoubtedly feel pain much more acutely than do fish?


10 posted on 10/11/2006 12:45:47 AM PDT by iowamark
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To: neverdem

Jeeeez. Does this mean I have to quit 'battering' them? I'm not sure frying them plain would be a great improvement.


11 posted on 10/11/2006 12:50:56 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: neverdem

Animals are food -- especially outside this bubble in which the Peta types live.

Humans catch and eat millions of fish. ALL of nature's predators kill TRILLIONS of animals.

I'm sure that a rabbit being eaten alive by a coyote suffers FAR more than most fish the way they are caught by humans. Most animals "taken" for food in nature suffer greatly when being eaten.

These PETA types don't include the "true nature of Nature" in their myopic considerations.


12 posted on 10/11/2006 12:52:42 AM PDT by Jackson Brown
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To: neverdem

Uh-oh...what happens when she realizes that they often get their heads lopped off and get gutted while still alive?


13 posted on 10/11/2006 1:54:48 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: Jeff Chandler

GMTA


14 posted on 10/11/2006 1:56:45 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: neverdem

Curious...I don't hear these scumbags saying how much pain an unborn child feels during the abortion procedure.....sheez!


15 posted on 10/11/2006 1:58:05 AM PDT by PAMadMax (Islam is the enemy of all mankind...AlJazeera is its PR Firm)
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To: neverdem

Fish, like many other animals, were put on this earth to be eaten. If we don't do it, a bigger fish will.

BTW, I am a founding member of PETP - People for the Ethical Treatment of Plants. Don't let me catch you mowing your lawn!!!! /sarc


16 posted on 10/11/2006 2:04:01 AM PDT by fredhead (Women want me....Fish fear me....I can dream can't I?)
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To: neverdem
VICTORIA BRAITHWAITE, a behavioral biologist at Edinburgh University, is on sabbatical at the Institute for Advanced Study in Berlin.

When civilizations falls, no one will miss you, honey...

17 posted on 10/11/2006 2:05:49 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: neverdem
I'm a vegetarian. I'm sure the carrots that I yank out of the ground or the peppers I chop to pieces don't enjoy what I'm doing to them either.

It's part of the cycle of life that we consume other living things, whether plant or animal. One gets used to it.

Regards, Ivan

18 posted on 10/11/2006 2:07:40 AM PDT by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: Finalapproach29er

He used nets not hooks


19 posted on 10/11/2006 2:13:46 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: philman_36
Uh-oh...what happens when she realizes that they often get their heads lopped off...

IMHO, that's a merciful solution for other members of God's Kingdom and avowed enemies.

20 posted on 10/11/2006 2:14:24 AM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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